Lets be clear. Republicans have no desire to "replace" anything.

sportage

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Why would anyone believe that one single republican, republican in congress with the power to do so, would want to replace Obamacare in the first place?
Repeal? Sure, they will do that.
But why the heck would anyone think any replacement plan would be on their agenda?
Look at the facts....

Republicans have never believed healthcare was a problem in the first place.
This is absolutely fact.
It has not been since Richard Nixon, republican Richard Nixon by the way, that any republican felt the need to address healthcare in America.
Nixon created the HMO, or worked hard to do so.
Not that Nixon cared about American healthcare, but still Nixon decided for reasons unknown go along with creating the HMO.
Well frankly we do know why. It meant a lot of money for him personally from the industry.
But since then not one, not one single republican in power has felt any need what so ever to do anything concerning American healthcare.

Republicans refused to get involved with crafting Obamacare, and they put no other option of their own on the table.
Because healthcare is simply not the concern for them.
So it makes sense that republicans would want to repeal any form of healthcare reform we now have, and it makes sense they would have no plan of their own to replace.
Republicans simply do not do healthcare. Period!
They feel if anyone wants healthcare, get a job. Go with the flow of employer based healthcare.
And if employment is not your thing, or if that employer offers no employee healthcare, then forget about healthcare. You won't get it because they simply do not care and never have.

Why would anyone with a brain believe republicans are working behind the scenes for an Obamacare replacement? They are not. And it is not going to happen. Ever.
So lets stop kidding ourselves or wonder what this wonderful secret republican replacement plan might be?
They have none.
They never have and they never will.
After they repeal Obamacare we will return back to that old system of skyrocketing insurance rates, refusing coverage, dropping sick people off the rolls, denying coverage, sleazy policies with tons of fine print, and employers constantly changing their employee health provider to save a buck at the expense of higher deductibles and lesser coverage.
And republicans will feel just fine about that.
 
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theeedude

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Replace or not, if they touch the ACA, they own it or whatever comes after it.
Also, both universal single payer and universal basic income are going to happen, whether with GOP or over GOP's dead body, as a result of automation away of jobs.
 
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Starbuck1975

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Why would anyone believe that one single republican, republican in congress with the power to do so, would want to replace Obamacare in the first place?
Repeal? Sure, they will do that.
But why the heck would anyone think any replacement plan would be on their agenda?
Look at the facts....

Republicans have never believed healthcare was a problem in the first place.
This is absolutely fact.
It has not been since Richard Nixon, republican Richard Nixon by the way, that any republican felt the need to address healthcare in America.
Nixon created the HMO, or worked hard to do so.
Not that Nixon cared about American healthcare, but still Nixon decided for reasons unknown go along with creating the HMO.
Well frankly we do know why. It meant a lot of money for him personally from the industry.
But since then not one, not one single republican in power has felt any need what so ever to do anything concerning American healthcare.

Republicans refused to get involved with crafting Obamacare, and they put no other option of their own on the table.
Because healthcare is simply not the concern for them.
So it makes sense that republicans would want to repeal any form of healthcare reform we now have, and it makes sense they would have no plan of their own to replace.
Republicans simply do not do healthcare. Period!
They feel if anyone wants healthcare, get a job. Go with the flow of employer based healthcare.
And if employment is not your thing, or if that employer offers no employee healthcare, then forget about healthcare. You won't get it because they simply do not care and never have.

Why would anyone with a brain believe republicans are working behind the scenes for an Obamacare replacement? They are not. And it is not going to happen. Ever.
So lets stop kidding ourselves or wonder what this wonderful secret republican replacement plan might be?
They have none.
They never have and they never will.
After they repeal Obamacare we will return back to that old system of skyrocketing insurance rates, refusing coverage, dropping sick people off the rolls, denying coverage, sleazy policies with tons of fine print, and employers constantly changing their employee health provider to save a buck at the expense of higher deductibles and lesser coverage.
And republicans will feel just fine about that.
What was in place before Obamacare was not ideal, but Obamacare is hardly ideal either.

Forget the Republicans. They have no intention of replacing it. What is your ideal solution?
 

poofyhairguy

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I really don't think the Republicans are going to waste their time completely dismantling Obamacare. Too many provisions like the elimination of pre-existing conditions are popular with people and that one is supported by Trump. Really what Republicans don't like is the Obamacare mission of having as many people covered as possible on the government's dime, but that part can be undone without unraveling the whole thing.

All Republicans have to do is cut the funding to exchange subsidies, cut the federally subsidized Medicaid funding, open a few loopholes and suddenly they will have their own health plan which is basically Obamacare minus helping poor people.

Hell even in Texas Republicans have learned the political benefits of some parts of Obamacare, or more exactly what obvious monsters they become when they block healthcare for children. If they could carve out children nationally (but not their parents) then I think that is a compromise the GOP would love.

In fact I could see single payer happen under Trump, but not the way Democrats want it. I could see Trump deciding to avoid regulation of insurance companies, which allows them to all merge into a monopoly 1970's Ma Bell style. No one ever said single payer has to be a benefit to poor people. It just means a single payer, which could be a huge conglomerate who then calls the shots (as in let's shoot poor people instead of caring for them).
 

Jhhnn

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What was in place before Obamacare was not ideal, but Obamacare is hardly ideal either.

Forget the Republicans. They have no intention of replacing it. What is your ideal solution?

Ideal solutions are immaterial in the context of Repub control of the legislature & the executive branch. They object to the principle that people can depend on the govt rather than the Job Creators. Not that the latter are dependable at all so they'll just make govt even less dependable.

Fixed! FYGM!
 

momeNt

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Ideal solutions are immaterial in the context of Repub control of the legislature & the executive branch. They object to the principle that people can depend on the govt rather than the Job Creators. Not that the latter are dependable at all so they'll just make govt even less dependable.

Fixed! FYGM!

I sense a lot of contradictions out of you. Isn't the very definition of a union pension "fuck you, I got mine?"
 

Thebobo

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Saddly I bet the majority of them have no clue why they don't like the ACA.
 

UglyCasanova

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Hopefully what the republicans address is the affordable part of the ACA. The cost of health insurance is rising for everyone, Obamacare does nothing to address this, and we have to get it under control. Single payer option probably is the way to go although I'm not sure how politically palatable that will be.