Let's ban Jews

[CanOWorms]

Russian Lawmakers Targets Jewish Groups

By STEVE GUTTERMAN
Associated Press Writer

January 24, 2005, 3:11 PM EST

MOSCOW -- A group of nationalist Russian lawmakers called Monday for a sweeping investigation aimed at outlawing all Jewish organizations and punishing officials who support them, accusing Jews of fomenting ethnic hatred and saying they provoke anti-Semitism.

In a letter dated Jan. 13, about 20 members of the lower house of parliament, the State Duma, asked Prosecutor General Vladimir Ustinov to investigate their claims and to launch proceedings "on the prohibition in our country of all religious and ethnic Jewish organizations as extremist."

The letter, faxed in part to The Associated Press by the office of lawmaker Alexander Krutov, said, "The negative assessments by Russian patriots of the qualities and actions against non-Jews that are typical of Jews correspond to the truth ... The statements and publications against Jews that have incriminated patriots are self-defense, which is not always stylistically correct but is justified in essence."

The stunning call to ban all Jewish groups raised concerns of persistent anti-Semitism in Russia.

Jewish leaders have praised President Vladimir Putin's government for encouraging religious tolerance, but rights groups accuse the authorities of failing to prosecute the perpetrators of anti-Semitic and racial violence.

Russia's chief rabbi, Berel Lazar, said lawmakers were looking for support "by playing the anti-Semitic card."

The prosecutor general's office could not immediately be reached for comment on the letter, which the Interfax news agency said was signed by lawmakers from the nationalist Rodina and Liberal Democratic parties as well as the Communist Party.

Krutov, a Rodina member, is deputy chief of the Duma's Committee on Information Policy.

With Putin planning to join events this week commemorating the liberation of the Auschwitz concentration camp by Soviet troops, Russia's Holocaust Foundation head Alla Gerber said it was "horrible that as we're marking the 60th anniversary of this tragic and great day ... we can speak of the danger of fascism in the countries that defeated fascism."

While the Russian state itself is no longer anti-Semitic, there are "anti-Semitic campaigns that are led by all sorts of organizations," she said.

"The economic situation is ripe for this. An enemy is needed, and the enemy is well-known, traditional," Gerber said.

Echoing anti-Semitic tracts of the Czarist era, the letter's authors accuse Jews of working against the interests of the countries where they live and of monopolizing power worldwide. They say the United States "has become an instrument for achieving the global aims of Judaism."

"It is possible to say that the entire democratic world today is under the monetary and political control of international Judaism, which high-profile bankers are openly proud of," the letter says.

Along with outlawing Jewish organizations, the lawmakers call for the prosecution of "individuals responsible for providing these groups with state and municipal property, privileges and state financing."

I'm sure that's well thought out :roll:

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

You ever wonder when they'll just get off this retarded "Race" crap and just see people as INDIVIDUALS?

The human race is doomed, man...DOOMED!

Jason

 

[Trente]

:thumbsdown::| And to think that only this week, we mark 60 years for the liberation of Auschwitz!!!

 

[BeauJangles]

Yay! My people can once again me descriminated against legally! SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET

 

[Infohawk]

The prosecutor general's office could not immediately be reached for comment on the letter, which the Interfax news agency said was signed by lawmakers from the nationalist Rodina and Liberal Democratic parties as well as the Communist Party.

More misunderstanding of foreign political landscapes. Most countries have more than two parties and you get extremes. If we had a proportional system in the US you'd easily have a racist party that could PROPOSE absurd laws too.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

The prosecutor general's office could not immediately be reached for comment on the letter, which the Interfax news agency said was signed by lawmakers from the nationalist Rodina and Liberal Democratic parties as well as the Communist Party.

More misunderstanding of foreign political landscapes. Most countries have more than two parties and you get extremes. If we had a proportional system in the US you'd easily have a racist party that could PROPOSE absurd laws too.

I believe that the misunderstanding is yours.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

The prosecutor general's office could not immediately be reached for comment on the letter, which the Interfax news agency said was signed by lawmakers from the nationalist Rodina and Liberal Democratic parties as well as the Communist Party.

More misunderstanding of foreign political landscapes. Most countries have more than two parties and you get extremes. If we had a proportional system in the US you'd easily have a racist party that could PROPOSE absurd laws too.

Yeah, we've got TWO extremist weirdo parties proposing extreme wacko legislation: We've got the Democrats who (at least in California) are for some reason desperate to give drivers licenses to illegal aliens, and the Republicans who (nationally) want to ban certain groups of people from marrying the person they love.

The only thing nuttier are the American Citizens who are so damn STUPID that they can't see beyond these two parties and find an ALTERNATIVE.

Jason

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
The only thing nuttier are the American Citizens who are so damn STUPID that they can't see beyond these two parties and find an ALTERNATIVE.

Jason

No, Americans aren't stupid in that way. We have a first past the post system that according to duverger's law leads to two parties. Whereas in most other non-anglo democracies you have many parties. It's structural and not a matter of choice. If you want more than two parties change the system to a proportional one and bingo, you will have more than two parties.

 

[RabidMongoose]

accusing Jews of fomenting ethnic hatred and saying they provoke anti-Semitism.

So why would Jewish people provoke hatred of themselves?

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
The only thing nuttier are the American Citizens who are so damn STUPID that they can't see beyond these two parties and find an ALTERNATIVE.

Jason

No, Americans aren't stupid in that way. We have a first past the post system that according to duverger's law leads to two parties. Whereas in most other non-anglo democracies you have many parties. It's structural and not a matter of choice. If you want more than two parties change the system to a proportional one and bingo, you will have more than two parties.

Bvllsh1t, we ALWAYS have a CHOICE as to what candidates we CAN vote for. The problem is that alternative candidates get little or no MEDIA coverage, they don't tend to have the kind of money that the D's or R's do, and even when they're RIGHT, which is far more often than the D's or R's can claim, they don't get votes because people are so caught up in the "I gotta vote for the guy who's likely to win!" game. I don't know how many times I heard people on BOTH sides of the fence chanting that the "really hope they picked the winning guy!" this time.

I'm sorry, but when it comes to political understanding, Americans are STUPID.

Jason

 

[judasmachine]

I have a better idea, let's ban people! The planet and everything in it would be better off without US, so put your gun to head now and pull the trigger. That way no one can be a racist, a fascist, a republican, a democrat, a lib, or a con.

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
The only thing nuttier are the American Citizens who are so damn STUPID that they can't see beyond these two parties and find an ALTERNATIVE.

Jason

No, Americans aren't stupid in that way. We have a first past the post system that according to duverger's law leads to two parties. Whereas in most other non-anglo democracies you have many parties. It's structural and not a matter of choice. If you want more than two parties change the system to a proportional one and bingo, you will have more than two parties.

Bvllsh1t, we ALWAYS have a CHOICE as to what candidates we CAN vote for. The problem is that alternative candidates get little or no MEDIA coverage, they don't tend to have the kind of money that the D's or R's do, and even when they're RIGHT, which is far more often than the D's or R's can claim, they don't get votes because people are so caught up in the "I gotta vote for the guy who's likely to win!" game. I don't know how many times I heard people on BOTH sides of the fence chanting that the "really hope they picked the winning guy!" this time.

I'm sorry, but when it comes to political understanding, Americans are STUPID.

Jason

hmm shouldnt this go in this thread?

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Bvllsh1t, we ALWAYS have a CHOICE as to what candidates we CAN vote for. The problem is that alternative candidates get little or no MEDIA coverage, they don't tend to have the kind of money that the D's or R's do, and even when they're RIGHT, which is far more often than the D's or R's can claim, they don't get votes because people are so caught up in the "I gotta vote for the guy who's likely to win!" game. I don't know how many times I heard people on BOTH sides of the fence chanting that the "really hope they picked the winning guy!" this time.

I'm sorry, but when it comes to political understanding, Americans are STUPID.

Jason

Are you familiar with Duverger's law? If you aren't, I suggest you read up on it and get back to me. If you are, tell me what the problem with it is.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Bvllsh1t, we ALWAYS have a CHOICE as to what candidates we CAN vote for. The problem is that alternative candidates get little or no MEDIA coverage, they don't tend to have the kind of money that the D's or R's do, and even when they're RIGHT, which is far more often than the D's or R's can claim, they don't get votes because people are so caught up in the "I gotta vote for the guy who's likely to win!" game. I don't know how many times I heard people on BOTH sides of the fence chanting that the "really hope they picked the winning guy!" this time.

I'm sorry, but when it comes to political understanding, Americans are STUPID.

Jason

Are you familiar with Duverger's law? If you aren't, I suggest you read up on it and get back to me. If you are, tell me what the problem with it is.

the problem isn't with Duverger's law as with YOUR interpretation of it. Duverger himself didn't regard it as an absolute, nor did he assert that multiple parties couldn't exist in an FPTP system but that it could merely serve to *delay* the rise to prominence of additional parties. In fact there are examples of nations who have a FPTP system and yet MULTIPLE political parties exist (Canada and Scotland come immediately to mind) in operation TODAY. Up until 1992, when the idiot Ross Perot ran for the office of President and then flipped dropped out when he was LEADING the other candidates, the possibility of a 3rd party coming to prominence was looking pretty decent. Perot took a dump all over his supporters and the millions of Democrats and Republicans who were ready to make the jump, and they have still not been willing to trust another 3rd party candidate since.

It's very good of you to bring up political theory from the classroom here, but do try to present it as it is and not just as you wish it would be.

Jason

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
the problem isn't with Duverger's law as with YOUR interpretation of it. Duverger himself didn't regard it as an absolute, nor did he assert that multiple parties couldn't exist in an FPTP system but that it could merely serve to *delay* the rise to prominence of additional parties. In fact there are examples of nations who have a FPTP system and yet MULTIPLE political parties exist (Canada and Scotland come immediately to mind) in operation TODAY. Up until 1992, when the idiot Ross Perot ran for the office of President and then flipped dropped out when he was LEADING the other candidates, the possibility of a 3rd party coming to prominence was looking pretty decent. Perot took a dump all over his supporters and the millions of Democrats and Republicans who were ready to make the jump, and they have still not been willing to trust another 3rd party candidate since.

It's very good of you to bring up political theory from the classroom here, but do try to present it as it is and not just as you wish it would be.

Jason

I am aware of the 3rd parties in Canada and Scotland. The Scotland example is especially unhelpful though as it is associated with Scottish identity. As you might have seen from wikipedia, the local identities is really a different phenomenon. They are still not 3rd parties on a national scale which we are concerned about.

Even admitting the third-party outliers, you'll still have to admit that even these small 3rd parties are nothing like the multitude of parties in Europe that have proportional systems. And if Perot had been successful, you probably would have seen one of the other parties go away-- just like when the Republicans started out as a 3rd party and soon became the 2nd party. As long as we have a first-past the post system in the US there will be two parties. If you want more, ask for proportional system like in Europe. Blaming people for voting strategically is not the answer.

 

[CanOWorms]

I especially like this line:

"It is possible to say that the entire democratic world today is under the monetary and political control of international Judaism, which high-profile bankers are openly proud of," the letter says.

 

[BeauJangles]

there are good reasons why there hasn't been a long-term legitimate 3rd party in the US since its inception. It's not like we haven't tried, but our system is set up to discourage it.

 

[Rhin0]

OMFG ZOG INFILTRATION!!

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I especially like this line:

"It is possible to say that the entire democratic world today is under the monetary and political control of international Judaism, which high-profile bankers are openly proud of," the letter says.

yeah... back on topic

this sounds like a particularly fun law

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Topic Title: Let's ban Jews
Topic Summary: lawmakers attempt to outlaw Jews

What's the big deal.

Banning different people and preferences is the way of the world.

Just History repeating itself as usual.

U.S. is banning Gay folks and close to Anti-Women rights again.

U.S. will be banning a whole lot more to come.

 

[Aimster]

Russia. Next is Muslims

 

[raildogg]

Wow these Russians are making themselves look like real bigots lately. This is another story of how Russia is increasingly becoming more intolerent of minorities

Its not only the politicians, many Russian people themselves are pretty ignorant

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: raildogg
Wow these Russians are making themselves look like real bigots lately. This is another story of how Russia is increasingly becoming more intolerent of minorities

Its not only the politicians, many Russian people themselves are pretty ignorant

Except these are only small parties. It's like if the democrats PROPOSED legislation you disagreed with and someone labeled you ignorant because you were American.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: raildogg
Wow these Russians are making themselves look like real bigots lately. This is another story of how Russia is increasingly becoming more intolerent of minorities

Its not only the politicians, many Russian people themselves are pretty ignorant

Except these are only small parties. It's like if the democrats PROPOSED legislation you disagreed with and someone labeled you ignorant because you were American.

No no, there have been many many cases where minorities have been killed or harassed in Russia. A year ago I remember a Kazakh girl was killed. I have seen a lot of stories of racist violence in Russia.

Prejudice runs wild there.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: raildogg
Wow these Russians are making themselves look like real bigots lately. This is another story of how Russia is increasingly becoming more intolerent of minorities

Its not only the politicians, many Russian people themselves are pretty ignorant

Except these are only small parties. It's like if the democrats PROPOSED legislation you disagreed with and someone labeled you ignorant because you were American.

No no, there have been many many cases where minorities have been killed in Russia. A year ago I remember a Kazakh girl was killed. I have seen a lot of stories of racist violence in Russia.

Prejudice runs wild there.

No no, there have been many cases where minorities have been killed in America. A while back, white guys dragged a black guy behind their truck. I have seen a lot of stories of racist violence in America.

Prejudice runs wild there.

PS. Do you know what anecdotal evidence is?