Let us not forget 9-11-2001

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Just why did these Muslims attack us, and can it be said today that their attack failed or succeeded?

Quite ignorant, if you ask me. His hatred stems not towards 'Al Quaeda', but all Muslims.

We were targeted, and we remain a target, because we?ve been on a roll for over 400 years and still haven?t reached our peak --- while Islam reached its cultural dominance 500 years ago and it?s been pretty much been rocketing down a mud slide to hell since then.

Islam has encouraged development and scientific advancement more than I think any of us could ever appreciate. What has happened in the Islamic world is unfortunate - as it is when any fundamentalist religious leader or regime takes power.



It's Sept. 11th, time to decide. More than just what he poses, I think this is a time for many people to decide how they truly want to view the events that have and still are unfolding.
 

Athlon4all

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I think this is a time for many people to decide how they truly want to view the events that have and still are unfolding.
Here's how I view it.

It is a terrible thing, that all those lives were lost on 9/11/01, but there is a greater tragedy, that happens every single day, its when someone dies without the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ (and this is a tragedy that reaches to every last part of the Earth, not just the USA and Muslim Nations). You are right, events are unfolding, and these events will eventually lead to a battle between Satan and God, and God will win and Satan will be destroyed. Don't be caught on the wrong side!!!! Aceept Jesus as your Lord and savior, today!!!! He loves you, he wants you to come to him, and repent of your sins!!!! I know that I view the events of 9/11/01 and I know how I will view future events. Do you view them with the eyes that are right, those on the Bible?
 

Kerouactivist

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Originally posted by: Athlon4all
I think this is a time for many people to decide how they truly want to view the events that have and still are unfolding.
Here's how I view it.

It is a terrible thing, that all those lives were lost on 9/11/01, but there is a greater tragedy, that happens every single day, its when someone dies without the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ (and this is a tragedy that reaches to every last part of the Earth, not just the USA and Muslim Nations). You are right, events are unfolding, and these events will eventually lead to a battle between Satan and God, and God will win and Satan will be destroyed. Don't be caught on the wrong side!!!! Aceept Jesus as your Lord and savior, today!!!! He loves you, he wants you to come to him, and repent of your sins!!!! I know that I view the events of 9/11/01 and I know how I will view future events. Do you view them with the eyes that are right, those on the Bible?


I think that it is sad that some must use this day to spout relgious fundalmentalist rhetoric, which is how all this mess got started.......quite sad
 

jyates

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Originally posted by: bthorny
Originally posted by: Athlon4all
I think this is a time for many people to decide how they truly want to view the events that have and still are unfolding.
Here's how I view it.

It is a terrible thing, that all those lives were lost on 9/11/01, but there is a greater tragedy, that happens every single day, its when someone dies without the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ (and this is a tragedy that reaches to every last part of the Earth, not just the USA and Muslim Nations). You are right, events are unfolding, and these events will eventually lead to a battle between Satan and God, and God will win and Satan will be destroyed. Don't be caught on the wrong side!!!! Aceept Jesus as your Lord and savior, today!!!! He loves you, he wants you to come to him, and repent of your sins!!!! I know that I view the events of 9/11/01 and I know how I will view future events. Do you view them with the eyes that are right, those on the Bible?


I think that it is sad that some must use this day to spout relgious fundalmentalist rhetoric, which is how all this mess got started.......quite sad



God bless America....those who agree with Althon4All and those who don't...
 

shiner

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Islam has encouraged development and scientific advancement more than I think any of us could ever appreciate. What has happened in the Islamic world is unfortunate - as it is when any fundamentalist religious leader or regime takes power.
Woud this be the same Islam who's holy book contains the following verses?

Sura 9:5,29,41 ?Slay the idolators [non-Muslims] wherever ye find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the last Day?. Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah!?

8:59-60 ?Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly): they will never frustrate (them). Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of God and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom God doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of God, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.?

Sura 9:5 ?And when the sacred months are passed, kill those who join other gods with God wherever ye shall find them; and seize them, besiege them, and lay wait for them with every kind of ambush: but if they shall convert, and observe prayer, and pay the obligatory alms, then let them go their way, for God is Gracious, Merciful.?

Sura 9:29-33 ?Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in God, or in the last day, and who forbid not that which God and His Apostle have forbidden, and who profess not the profession of the truth, until they pay tribute out of hand, and they be humbled. The Jews say, 'Ezra (Ozair) is a son of God'; and the Christians say, 'The Messiah is a son of God'. Such the sayings in their mouths! They resemble the sayings of the Infidels of old! God do battle with them! How are they misguided!..He it is who hath sent His Apostle with the Guidance and a religion of the truth, that He may make it victorious over every other religion, albeit they who assign partners to God be averse from it.?

Sura 47:4 ?Therefore, when you meet the Unbelievers in fight, smite at their necks; at length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly on them? He lets you fight in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the way of Allah, - He will never let their deeds be lost.? Another English translation says, ?When ye encounter the infidels, strike off their heads till ye have made a great slaughter among them, and of the rest make fast the fetters.?
 

ToBeMe

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Originally posted by: bthorny
Originally posted by: Athlon4all
I think this is a time for many people to decide how they truly want to view the events that have and still are unfolding.
Here's how I view it.

It is a terrible thing, that all those lives were lost on 9/11/01, but there is a greater tragedy, that happens every single day, its when someone dies without the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ (and this is a tragedy that reaches to every last part of the Earth, not just the USA and Muslim Nations). You are right, events are unfolding, and these events will eventually lead to a battle between Satan and God, and God will win and Satan will be destroyed. Don't be caught on the wrong side!!!! Aceept Jesus as your Lord and savior, today!!!! He loves you, he wants you to come to him, and repent of your sins!!!! I know that I view the events of 9/11/01 and I know how I will view future events. Do you view them with the eyes that are right, those on the Bible?


I think that it is sad that some must use this day to spout relgious fundalmentalist rhetoric, which is how all this mess got started.......quite sad
I think it's quite sad that many members can not allow one to express their views whether or not the view agrees with your own, without making a snide remark about it. The view posted by A4All is no better or worse than those whom spew non religious drivel and at any rate is his opinion and should be respected and considered as such.

 

Stark

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Originally posted by: jyates
Originally posted by: bthorny
Originally posted by: Athlon4all
I think this is a time for many people to decide how they truly want to view the events that have and still are unfolding.
Here's how I view it.

It is a terrible thing, that all those lives were lost on 9/11/01, but there is a greater tragedy, that happens every single day, its when someone dies without the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ (and this is a tragedy that reaches to every last part of the Earth, not just the USA and Muslim Nations). You are right, events are unfolding, and these events will eventually lead to a battle between Satan and God, and God will win and Satan will be destroyed. Don't be caught on the wrong side!!!! Aceept Jesus as your Lord and savior, today!!!! He loves you, he wants you to come to him, and repent of your sins!!!! I know that I view the events of 9/11/01 and I know how I will view future events. Do you view them with the eyes that are right, those on the Bible?


I think that it is sad that some must use this day to spout relgious fundalmentalist rhetoric, which is how all this mess got started.......quite sad



God bless America....those who agree with Althon4All and those who don't...

 

circlek

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If someone comes into your home, rapes your wife and murders your children then it doesn't take much brain power to realize that you must LOCK your doors from NOW ON and KNOW FULLY those that you DO decide to let in...
 

Ameesh

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Originally posted by: Athlon4all
I think this is a time for many people to decide how they truly want to view the events that have and still are unfolding.
Here's how I view it.

It is a terrible thing, that all those lives were lost on 9/11/01, but there is a greater tragedy, that happens every single day, its when someone dies without the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ (and this is a tragedy that reaches to every last part of the Earth, not just the USA and Muslim Nations). You are right, events are unfolding, and these events will eventually lead to a battle between Satan and God, and God will win and Satan will be destroyed. Don't be caught on the wrong side!!!! Aceept Jesus as your Lord and savior, today!!!! He loves you, he wants you to come to him, and repent of your sins!!!! I know that I view the events of 9/11/01 and I know how I will view future events. Do you view them with the eyes that are right, those on the Bible?

i feel just as sorry for you as you do for me.
 

Orsorum

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: Athlon4all
I think this is a time for many people to decide how they truly want to view the events that have and still are unfolding.
Here's how I view it.

It is a terrible thing, that all those lives were lost on 9/11/01, but there is a greater tragedy, that happens every single day, its when someone dies without the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ (and this is a tragedy that reaches to every last part of the Earth, not just the USA and Muslim Nations). You are right, events are unfolding, and these events will eventually lead to a battle between Satan and God, and God will win and Satan will be destroyed. Don't be caught on the wrong side!!!! Aceept Jesus as your Lord and savior, today!!!! He loves you, he wants you to come to him, and repent of your sins!!!! I know that I view the events of 9/11/01 and I know how I will view future events. Do you view them with the eyes that are right, those on the Bible?

i feel just as sorry for you as you do for me.

Leave that to PM's, he's said his piece and moved on. ;)
 

Orsorum

Lifer
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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Islam has encouraged development and scientific advancement more than I think any of us could ever appreciate. What has happened in the Islamic world is unfortunate - as it is when any fundamentalist religious leader or regime takes power.
Woud this be the same Islam who's holy book contains the following verses?

Sura 9:5,29,41 ?Slay the idolators [non-Muslims] wherever ye find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the last Day?. Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah!?

8:59-60 ?Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly): they will never frustrate (them). Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of God and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom God doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of God, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.?

Sura 9:5 ?And when the sacred months are passed, kill those who join other gods with God wherever ye shall find them; and seize them, besiege them, and lay wait for them with every kind of ambush: but if they shall convert, and observe prayer, and pay the obligatory alms, then let them go their way, for God is Gracious, Merciful.?

Sura 9:29-33 ?Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in God, or in the last day, and who forbid not that which God and His Apostle have forbidden, and who profess not the profession of the truth, until they pay tribute out of hand, and they be humbled. The Jews say, 'Ezra (Ozair) is a son of God'; and the Christians say, 'The Messiah is a son of God'. Such the sayings in their mouths! They resemble the sayings of the Infidels of old! God do battle with them! How are they misguided!..He it is who hath sent His Apostle with the Guidance and a religion of the truth, that He may make it victorious over every other religion, albeit they who assign partners to God be averse from it.?

Sura 47:4 ?Therefore, when you meet the Unbelievers in fight, smite at their necks; at length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly on them? He lets you fight in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the way of Allah, - He will never let their deeds be lost.? Another English translation says, ?When ye encounter the infidels, strike off their heads till ye have made a great slaughter among them, and of the rest make fast the fetters.?

And, you know, it's funny because you can find corrolary verses in the Judeo-Christian texts as well. You do realize that Islam was built upon an intellectual foundation created by Judeo-Christians, in a mobile and constantly warring society?
 

Orsorum

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And they say, "Be Jews" - or "Christians" - "and you shall be on the right path." Say: "nay, but ours is the creed of Abraham, who turned away from all that is false and was not one of those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God."
Say: "We believe in God and in that which has been besoted from high upon us, and in that which has been bestowed upon Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and their descendants, and that which has been vouchsafed to Moses and Jesus, and that which has been vouchsafed to all the other prophets by their sustainer: we make no distinction between any of them. And it is unto him that we surrender ourselves." (Koran 2:135-36)

Do not argue with the followers of earlier revelation otherwise than in the most kindly manner - unless it be such of them as are set on evil doing - and say: "We believe in that which has been bestowed upon us, as well as that which has been bestowed upon you: for our God and your God is one and the same, and it is until him that we [all] surrender ourselves." (Koran 29:46)