Lessons on fuel storage, from my local fire department

NetWareHead

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I was woken up this recent Saturday around 7 by an urgent phone call from my tenant. Said he went to the basement to do laundry and when he opened the door to go downstairs, he was hit with a strong smell of gas. He freaked out and called the fire department. They rolled 4 fire trucks on my street around 6:30 AM waking up everybody on the block. My poor tenants were evacuated and had to stand outside in -10 temps while the professionals went in and examined the situation.

Turns out it was leaking gasoline. I had just snowblowed the night before and put the blower back in the basement where I store it. I also turn off the fuel valve on the carb as a pre-caution. Firemen put the snowblower outside and spread a leak absorbing sand to mop up the gasoline. My natural gas piping & boilers were fine and no leaks detected. By the time I showed up, the smell of gasoline was still hanging in the air. My tenants didn't know the difference between natural gas and gasoline but I don't really fault them for calling the FD either.

Learned from them that fuels that evaporate and make an airborne vapor should never be stored indoors. And most importantly in the vicinity of a boiler or other appliance with a pilot or spark ignition. The vapors can ignite when a thermostat calls for heat and the boiler begins to operate. Also, somebody operating a light switch can ignite the fuel air vapor in the same way. The only fuels that can be stored indoors are non vapor forming substances like fuel oil, diesel, kerosene, motor oils etc... Vapor forming stuff like gasoline or propane should be stored outdoors. I was even cautioned about oil based paints and other solvent containing chemicals that can pose explosion risks. Which is why fuel oil is stored indoors in tanks but propane is stored outdoors in cylinders and piped into the house.

The snowblower was later found to have a slow leak from the fuel tank and its in the shop now getting serviced. Going to store it in the garage and will look at sheds this spring. I store a lawnmower down there too and that's going in the garage as well. Glad nobody was hurt and no fire/explosions occurred!
 

snoopy7548

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That's why my snowblower stays in the garage and my gas cans all stay outside. If my garage was big enough I'd store my push-mower in there, but it's not so that stays under the deck year-round. I refuse to even put my spray paints and oil-based stains/lacquer thinner in the basement.

I thought that was common sense, but looking around my neighborhood, I don't see any gas cans outside any homes (I have some views of backyards), and everyone has at least one piece of gas-powered equipment.
 
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bigi

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I strongly feel that having portable tools propelled by gasoline is retarded in this day and age.

Can't wait to get rid of ICE cars I own. In terms of all tools I have all are electric.

Gasoline storage, LOL.
 

NetWareHead

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I strongly feel that having portable tools propelled by gasoline is retarded in this day and age.

Can't wait to get rid of ICE cars I own. In terms of all tools I have all are electric.

Gasoline storage, LOL.

Ever use a gasoline snowblower and then try an electric one? You can only get a little over 2 horsepower out of a 15 amp circuit while my snowblower is 10 HP. Plenty of situations where gasoline is the appropriate choice
 
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mindless1

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Choose whichever is best for your needs.

bigi must do very little property maintenance labor, or just lets irrational misconceptions override common sense. There is a valid argument for electric on small property where you don't even have room to store gas but I'm thinking more of a condo, or tiny urban property, where you may have little if any outdoor property maintenance.

The majority of homeowners store gas and gas powered equipment either in a shed or their garage. Fires from them are fairly rare, but of course this is because most don't store them inside where fumes can build up around a flame or spark producing site.

Could you find a few cases of fire out of many millions of homeowners and businesses? Sure, but you can also find lots of cases where people fall on ice and break a hip but it's still a small %, that doesn't mean I'm not going outside all winter long. It just means be mindful of what you're doing.

Gas is still a superior alternative to electric. Some day we'll have super high power density batteries to change that, but until then electric alternatives are either very expensive, or weak and have short runtime, or a cord to drag around which is about as bad, and in the case of cordless the cost to performance ratio is horrible... better in recent years but still horrible.

Electric portable tools are built like toys too, outside of contractor grade construction tools with a high price tag. That makes it pretty clear they're only for light duty use.
 

snoopy7548

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I strongly feel that having portable tools propelled by gasoline is retarded in this day and age.

Can't wait to get rid of ICE cars I own. In terms of all tools I have all are electric.

Gasoline storage, LOL.

Your electric tools can't compare to my gas-powered table saw I tell ya what! :cool:
 

Red Squirrel

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Lol storing the snow blower in the basement sounds like that would be a pain in the butt to do and get snow everywhere in the house, and also not good for the snow blower because the snow will melt on it after each use and it will rust faster. Why not store it in the garage, or if you don't have a garage build a small hut/shed for it?
 

NetWareHead

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It's a walk out basement, pretty easy to get in/out. I don't care if snow melts on to the floor. It was also near the boilers so it was partially heated. By next morning all the snow was gone and evaporated. Rust is a non issue. And it kept the engine warmer than if stored outside, easier starting. But yeah, that fire risk...

It's in the garage and a pain in my ass since I need to move the cars now to get the blower out. Plus it's less secure and visible through the windows to roving crackheads who might steal it. In the aftermath of this fire department thing, I am considering a small shed
 

mindless1

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^ So you're on a rearward slope? What about building a deck, with enclosed storage under it? Then again more work and expense than a small shed.
 

NetWareHead

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^ So you're on a rearward slope? What about building a deck, with enclosed storage under it? Then again more work and expense than a small shed.

I'm right up the property line. I'd have to put the shed in the side yard as a freestanding structure