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Less sleep equals greater success in life?

Mai72

Mai72

Lifer
http://www.businessinsider.com/jon-taffer-sleeps-4-hours-night-insomnia-success-2015-2

John Taffer in the video says he only gets 4 hours of sleep a night. I remember that Donald Trump said the same thing. In the hours he should be sleeping he is continuously learning. Imagine if you were to only sleep for 4 hours a day. That's an extra 3-4 hours a day that you could use to better yourself.

3x7= 21 hours a week.
21x4= 84 hours a month.
84x12=1,008 hours a year.

The thing is I don't think I could condition myself to get only 4 hours of sleep a day. Within a few weeks of this I would probably get sick and I would feel runned down. Would you be able to be productive on only 4 hours of sleep a night? How are people like Taffer and Trump able to be successful on such low quantities of sleep?
 
i recently switched from 6.5 hours of sleep to 5.5 hours, and i tell you what - i feel so much more better when i get up. i can get to work earlier, which lets me avoid rush hour and get home earlier. it's pretty nice.

maybe there's something about my sleep pattern that makes it a better time to get up?

now if only i spent that extra hour learning instead of neffing :hmm:
 
It's called genetics. The only thing you are going to accomplish by conditioning yourself to 4 hours of sleep a night is to pass out if you are lucky, or suffer some serious brain damage or get a seizure.
 
Cause/effect. People who don't need as much sleep are probably more successful, all other things being equal. For people who do need it, sleeping less is counterproductive.
 
brianmanahan said:
i recently switched from 6.5 hours of sleep to 5.5 hours, and i tell you what - i feel so much more better when i get up. i can get to work earlier, which lets me avoid rush hour and get home earlier. it's pretty nice.

maybe there's something about my sleep pattern that makes it a better time to get up?
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Yeah, but look what it did to your shift key D:

I feel pretty bad with less than 9 hours of sleep, but I've been under a lot of stress for the past three years. I'm sure that with that out of the way I'd do fine with 7-8.
 
brianmanahan said:
i recently switched from 6.5 hours of sleep to 5.5 hours, and i tell you what - i feel so much more better when i get up. i can get to work earlier, which lets me avoid rush hour and get home earlier. it's pretty nice.

maybe there's something about my sleep pattern that makes it a better time to get up?

now if only i spent that extra hour learning instead of neffing :hmm:
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I try to get at least 7 hours of sleep a day. I have friends who sleep for 9+ hours. I don't know how they do it, because when I sleep for that long I'm groggy and I feel like sh*t. Having that extra time to better yourself is great, but at what cost? How does the lack of sleep affect your health in the long run? In my case, when I go a few days with less sleep I feel bad. i get frequent headaches, and I have to rely on caffeine. Also, I tend to overeat.
 
Astrallite said:
It's called genetics. The only thing you are going to accomplish by conditioning yourself to 4 hours of sleep a night is to pass out if you are lucky, or suffer some serious brain damage or get a seizure.
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Genetics? I think it's more of conditioning, habits and setting priorities. My dad goes to bed at 10pm every night. Like clockwork. He gets up at 5am everyday. I've never seen my father sleep in. Never.
 
Ruptga said:
I feel pretty bad with less than 9 hours of sleep, but I've been under a lot of stress for the past three years. I'm sure that with that out of the way I'd do fine with 7-8.
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well yeah, i think 9 hours would be amazing for me

but i ain't gonna get that kind of sleep until i retire... still shooting for 2028!
 
I need about 10 hours to feel perfectly rested. 8 hours gets me "kinda rested, kinda fatigued". 6 hours or less and I'm so dead tired it's a major struggle getting out of bed. I have to rest my eyes a good ten minutes just to drag myself out and I'm groggy as hell a good couple hours before I'm up to full steam. When I get home from a day like that, I crash.
 
Sleep quality is also very important. Seven good hours is better the nine uncomfortable ones.

Bill Gates stated he needed at least 7 hours to function well.
 
Mai72 said:
Maybe, but you can't deny the fact that he has had a successful career.

He's worth over $4B.
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It's a lot easier to make money when your parents are loaded like his were.

For the record, I like to get 10-12 hours a sleep a day and I've been pretty successful in school and work.
 
I can get by with 5 hours but don't feel quite right with less then 7-8. (doesn't have to be all in one session)

4 hours or less will work for a couple days but the cumulative effect will be quite the opposite of making me smarter!
 
13Gigatons said:
Bill Gates stated he needed at least 7 hours to function well.
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Which falls within the standard.

Most people require 7-9hrs of quality sleep to perform their best. If you're not genetically hardwired for less sleep, but try to force yourself, you're going to under-perform cognitively. Which will make you less successful.

I've figured 8-9hrs is my sweet spot. Working afternoon/evening shifts for so long, I didn't have any issues getting it, since I'm naturally a night owl.

If I sleep more than 9hrs, I feel really crappy for the rest of the day. Almost like having a hangover. Less than 7-8 and I just feel really tired all day. Getting up early is rough as well. Early birds and their 9-5 world can eat a bullet. 😀
 
In the Army they teach you (or, well, all the DS's told us, at least) that you only need four hours a night. I'd say we averaged that amount, with some night being less, and the occasional 'long' 5-6 hour night. Minus firewatch and shit.

I gotta say I felt pretty good, but then again, the constant exercise is probably a lot of it. You never got tired when you were active; however, sitting down in a classroom was torture. You did things like chug water to stay awake. And get slapped around by your 'battle buddy.' And that's while having to sit straight up and not lean on anything. The odd person taking a random step out of formation was also common...it was them falling asleep standing, and catching themselves as they began to fall.

So...yeah...that bit o' experience taught me that this kind of thing is possible, but probably not optimal.

edit: also, deprivation means every little pleasure makes you more psyched-up. The first time we got a pass (basically, somewhat-unsupervised personal time outside barracks) and everybody ate sugar and drank soda...we could've motherfucking invaded Poland that night.
 
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If I slept less, I would only nef more.

I am not a productive man in my free time 😀
 
brianmanahan said:
i recently switched from 6.5 hours of sleep to 5.5 hours, and i tell you what - i feel so much more better when i get up. i can get to work earlier, which lets me avoid rush hour and get home earlier. it's pretty nice.

maybe there's something about my sleep pattern that makes it a better time to get up?

now if only i spent that extra hour learning instead of neffing :hmm:
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Imagine if you got 8 hours of sleep. You might have written "I feel so much better when I get up" instead of the fail that is what you really wrote. If you got 9 hours of sleep you might even metabolize and excrete enough estrogen out of your system, making room for more testosterone to write "I feel so fucking better than you when you wake up you slimy toad stool." As it turns out the sheer shock of what you wrote will cause no one to question whether toad's feces are indeed slimy or not. But I digest..now what was I talking about? Oh right digestion. YOUR GRAMMAR GIVES ME HEARTBURN!😡:thumbsdown:

just kidding😛
 
phucheneh said:
In the Army they teach you (or, well, all the DS's told us, at least) that you only need four hours a night. I'd say we averaged that amount, with some night being less, and the occasional 'long' 5-6 hour night. Minus firewatch and shit.

I gotta say I felt pretty good, but then again, the constant exercise is probably a lot of it. You never got tired when you were active; however, sitting down in a classroom was torture. You did things like chug water to stay awake. And get slapped around by your 'battle buddy.' And that's while having to sit straight up and not lean on anything. The odd person taking a random step out of formation was also common...it was them falling asleep standing, and catching themselves as they began to fall.

So...yeah...that bit o' experience taught me that this kind of thing is possible, but probably not optimal.

edit: also, deprivation means every little pleasure makes you more psyched-up. The first time we got a pass (basically, somewhat-unsupervised personal time outside barracks) and everybody ate sugar and drank soda...we could've motherfucking invaded Poland that night.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdgYhpqqSP4 <-- MANDATORY WATCHING, TED TALK

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/06/27/sleep-as-a-competitive-advantage/?_r=0

I'd say a resounding no. It absolutely reduces your functioning.

So long as you don't need creativity or complex problem solving then I guess you can get away with 4. Tells you alot about the "demands" on that rich guy and his ability to control impulses. People who lack sleep are WAYYYY more likely to reach for a cigarette or coffee or junk food pretty much compulsively and the health effects of that long term of course wear you down and make you stupid.

Cause donald trump just looks fantastic eh?

Like the article says, instead view sleep as a competitive advantage. If you want to cut time, do your chores more efficiently and spend less time watching TV. But don't cut sleep. That is time that isn't wasted.
 
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