[ Legit Reviews ] Richard Huddy Says AMD FreeSync Drivers Are Coming In December

[USER8000]

I saw the following posted on another forum:

Hi there

Spoke to LG.

Hoping to get 29" and 34" super-wide flat IPS panels early next year with FreeSync which shall be exclusive to OcUK in UK.

So IPS and Freesync, boooooooooooooooooom!

Gibbo is the purchasing manager for OcUK,the biggest enthusiast orientated computer parts retailer in the UK.

 

[EvilNodZ]

I saw the following posted on another forum:



Gibbo is the purchasing manager for OcUK,the biggest enthusiast orientated computer parts retailer in the UK.

Nice to see products are finally on the horizon. I hope more are announced soon as i have been holding off for a good new monitor with frame sync abilities for an AMD card

 

[EvilNodZ]

Nvidia was first with gsync, of course they're not going to support freesync yet. Amd pushes proprietary stuff too with mantle and true audio.

And nobody hates freesync, just richard huddy.

Why does Richard Huddy hate freesync? What gives you that impression?

 

[KaRLiToS]

I don't know why people are criticizing honestly? They are briggin' a competitive product. It is always good to have competition.

But what shocks me the most, is that people are fine for paying 100-200$ + more to get a G-Sync monitor but AMD are considred bad for charging less with an alternative. Where is the logic? Please explain.

As for the release date of freesync, I doubt they will respect it (again). Unless Lisa Su was really positive about it.

Source

The third point Lisa made is that she wants AMD to be simple, fast, decisive and finish products on time. Lisa points out that she has extremely high standards and she sounds like someone who knows what she wants and how to get there. She likes wining and sees AMD as a maverick and leader in the future.

Let's point the obvious - for a better part of the past decade AMD was an underdog in the CPU market and more often than not they lost crucial design wins to Nvidia in the GPU space. However, AMD was always a strong runner up with ambitions of becoming the market leader in some niches. Lisa's third focal point might be the key to AMD's future success. AMD has built great products before but it failed to bring them to market on time. Some projects, including K10 Bulldozer (Phenom) CPUs and Llano APUs didn’t pan out, as AMD was years behind on its original schedule.

 

[RussianSensation]

KaRLiToS, people will pay $100-200 more for G-Sync for 2 reasons:

1. They already have an NV card.
2. They only buy NV cards.

For someone like that FreeSync is irrelevant. What's more surprising is NOT that they will pay $100-200 more for G-Sync but that since FreeSync has 0 impact on these users, why do they attack and undermine FreeSync? It's not as if they will sell their existing NV card or stop buying NV only. Let's get real. It's the same story on VC&G forums on AT.

As long as FreeSync works well and it's available on IPS and most popular 4K monitors, it will succeed.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Why does Richard Huddy hate freesync? What gives you that impression?

I seem to recall his criticism was the proprietary nature of gsync and he made some at best "difficult to substantiate" claims that gsync introduced latency.

I really dont want to start a war, but Huddy pretty much angers me every time he makes a statement. It is one thing, and part of the job, to hype your own products, but IMO he goes way to far criticizing and making accusations against the competition. Or maybe it is AMD itself speaking through him, but I would like to think of it as he is just a sort of loose cannon.

 

[n0x1ous]

It would be nice to see a real demo of this. Nvidia demoed to the press like 6 months before it was available in retail. with AMD, I'll believe it when I see it. Huddy can't be taken too seriously.

 

[Keysplayr]

Competition is good but it would be prudent to finally show a full working demo. And 3DVagabond, Did you really just try to shift the responsibility of the cost of free sync monitors off of AMD and onto the monitor makers?
I want my 5 seconds back for reading that nonsense.
And I do think at this point in time that free sync is no longer called free sync. But "not so free sync" might be better.
I do hope we see competition worthy demos sometime in the near future.

And I agree with Nox1ous about Huddy.

I don't think it's just him though. I think he needs a sign off approval from the CEO to pull stunts like that latency introduction fiasco. Street tactics.

 

[KaRLiToS]

I seem to recall his criticism was the proprietary nature of gsync and he made some at best "difficult to substantiate" claims that gsync introduced latency.

I really dont want to start a war, but Huddy pretty much angers me every time he makes a statement. It is one thing, and part of the job, to hype your own products, but IMO he goes way to far criticizing and making accusations against the competition. Or maybe it is AMD itself speaking through him, but I would like to think of it as he is just a sort of loose cannon.

Richard Huddy always talk crap. It is called marketing strategy.
Nvidia also have one named Tom Petersen.

These companies always throw rocks at each other. they also have many shills on forums around the net.

A shill, also called a plant or a stooge, is a person who publicly helps a person or organization without disclosing that they have a close relationship with the person or organization.

"Shill" typically refers to someone who purposely gives onlookers the impression that they are an enthusiastic independent customer of a seller (or marketer of ideas) for whom they are secretly working. The person or group who hires the shill is using crowd psychology to encourage other onlookers or audience members to purchase the goods or services (or accept the ideas being marketed). Shills are often employed by professional marketing campaigns. "Plant" and "stooge" more commonly refer to any person who is secretly in league with another person or organization while pretending to be neutral or actually a part of the organization he is planted in, such as a magician's audience, a political party, or an intelligence organization (see double agent).[citation needed]

Shilling is illegal in many circumstances and in many jurisdictions[1] because of the potential for fraud and damage; however if a shill does not place uninformed parties at a risk of loss, but merely generates "buzz," the shill's actions may be legal. For example, a person planted in an audience to laugh and applaud when desired (see claque), or to participate in on-stage activities as a "random member of the audience," is a type of legal shill.[citation needed]

Shill can also be used pejoratively to describe a critic who appears either all-too-eager to heap glowing praise upon mediocre offerings, or who acts as an apologist for glaring flaws. In this sense, such a critic would be an indirect shill for the industry at large, because said critic's income is tied to the prosperity of the industry.

This is really a bad practice in my opinion.

 

[Keysplayr]

Richard Huddy always talk crap. It is called marketing strategy.
Nvidia also have one named Tom Petersen.

These companies always throw rocks at each other.

Where have you seen Petersen spreading false accusations though? He doesn't even like talking about AMD when asked about them in interviews. Reviewers do try to pry things out of him but he usually just tries to shift the focus back to whatever Nvidia product they are primarily getting interviewed about.
Huddy is a different animal in that regard.

 

[AtenRa]

Competition is good but it would be prudent to finally show a full working demo. And 3DVagabond, Did you really just try to shift the responsibility of the cost of free sync monitors off of AMD and onto the monitor makers?
I want my 5 seconds back for reading that nonsense.
And I do think at this point in time that free sync is no longer called free sync. But "not so free sync" might be better.
I do hope we see competition worthy demos sometime in the near future.

And I agree with Nox1ous about Huddy.

I don't think it's just him though. I think he needs a sign off approval from the CEO to pull stunts like that latency introduction fiasco. Street tactics.

Freesync is AMDs technology, it is free for everyone to use.

Monitor makers doesnt pay a cent for it. But they sell it to you and me on a higher cost.

Is that AMDs fault as well ??

Also, you dont change the name because someone sells it at an added cost. :whiste:

You know, you, I and everyone else is free NOT to buy any of those Freesync or Gsync monitors. If you dont like them at an added cost, just dont get them. Simple as that.

 

[n0x1ous]

Where have you seen Petersen spreading false accusations though? He doesn't even like talking about AMD when asked about them in interviews. Reviewers do try to pry things out of him but he usually just tries to shift the focus back to whatever Nvidia product they are primarily getting interviewed about.
Huddy is a different animal in that regard.

Absolutely correct. I have watched tons of interviews with both of these guys. Peterson is hesitant to even mention AMD - always steers the talk to about what Nvidia is doing.

Huddy, on the other hand, spends more time complaining about Nvidia then talking about AMD many times.

Tom Peterson acts professionally. Huddy acts like a fool

 

[KaRLiToS]

Absolutely correct. I have watched tons of interviews with both of these guys. Peterson is hesitant to even mention AMD - always steers the talk to about what Nvidia is doing.

Huddy, on the other hand, spends more time complaining about Nvidia then talking about AMD many times.

Tom Peterson is much more professional than Huddy.

True, he is way more modest than Richard Huddy.

But what I meant keysplayr is both of the companies have their spokesman.

 

[DiogoDX]

32" + 4K + IPS or VA + Freesync

This would be a nice upgrade over my 5 years old samsung TV.

2 problems: when they will arrive here in Brazil and probably will cost a fortune.:\

 

[EvilNodZ]

I seem to recall his criticism was the proprietary nature of gsync and he made some at best "difficult to substantiate" claims that gsync introduced latency.

I really dont want to start a war, but Huddy pretty much angers me every time he makes a statement. It is one thing, and part of the job, to hype your own products, but IMO he goes way to far criticizing and making accusations against the competition. Or maybe it is AMD itself speaking through him, but I would like to think of it as he is just a sort of loose cannon.

I think he meant to write "Huddy Hates G-Sync".

Becuase saying Huddy Hates Free-Sync when his own company endorses it dosent make sense if he wants to continue working for AMD.

 

[Rvenger]

If this turns into a Freesync VS. GSync fight this thread will be gone before you know it. To the offenders (you know who you are) I would suggest you keep an open mind or just get out of this thread. I am not going to put up with thread derailing.

-Moderator Rvenger

 

[96Firebird]

It would be nice to see a real demo of this. Nvidia demoed to the press like 6 months before it was available in retail. with AMD, I'll believe it when I see it. Huddy can't be taken too seriously.

Yup, still waiting on that demo... It is hard to criticize something that nobody has any idea about.

 

[NostaSeronx]

The FreeSync drivers will be using the same branch from OpenCL 2.0. We are looking for 14.4xx or 15.0xx.

Adaptive Sync does not require the drivers to operate.
Free Sync does require the drivers to operate properly in video games.

 

[kasakka]

KaRLiToS, people will pay -200 more for G-Sync for 2 reasons:

1. They already have an NV card.
2. They only buy NV cards.

For someone like that FreeSync is irrelevant.

The main reasons why I've been buying Nvidia cards is less hassle with drivers and much, much better support for Hackintosh. AMD cards are a bitch to get properly working on a Hackintosh, Nvidia is very easy despite AMD GPUs being more common on real Macs.

So for me buying a G-Sync display was a nobrainer as it had all the features I wanted and I knew I wasn't likely to jump to the AMD camp anytime soon.

That said, I think it's really low to deliberately leave out DP 1.2a so Freesync displays don't work on Nvidia cards. I understand keeping G-Sync Nvidia exclusive but limiting users' choices is never ok.

Another interesting aspect is that apparently Freesync works globally - on the desktop, videos etc instead of just in fullscreen 3D. That is a big plus and I'm interested to see if Nvidia will combat this by suddenly releasing a driver that enables G-Sync on desktop (if it's not a technical limitation with the G-Sync module).

Like most proprietary solutions I see G-Sync eventually being phased away as more Freesync displays come to market but by the time driver support is dropped I'll probably have bought something else altogether.

 

[digitaldurandal]

I think that at first companies will charge a premium for it as they will with any technology.

To people saying AMD is charging this premium that is not true. They are not licensing the product it is using VESA standard and they have made it an open standard. I don't understand the logic except to just bash the company? It is honestly a very pro consumer move. I think most of the people complaining that freesync monitors will probably cost a premium (due to the monitor makers charging it, as they do for any new feature) were never going to consider purchasing one in the first place.

I hope that like other new technologies this will drop in price rapidly once more brands come out with monitors. Hopefully there will be no price fixing shenanigans as we all know this technology was very cheap to include. I would like to use the technology for sure but I would need to replace 3 monitors to do so, so I cannot afford to pay 100 premium x 3.

I will wait a year and see where prices are.

 

[kasakka]

Hopefully there will be no price fixing shenanigans as we all know this technology was very cheap to include.

Not necessarily. Special scaler chips are needed for Freesync displays and the development and manufacturing of these will surely be hoisted on the consumers even if they are nowhere near as expensive to produce as G-Sync modules.

 

[Grooveriding]

Thank goodness there will be options for this kind of monitor technology, right now there are only three SKUs, all using TN panels and the 'flagship product' being a piece of hardware that is largely still of beta quality and shouldn't even be on shelves.

Even though nvidia wants to push proprietary as hard as they can everywhere they can they'll still have to adjust to more products supporting variable refresh coming from AMD. So we can all benefit by getting more than just two or three SKUs, as well as a variety of panel technologies, and cheaper prices. We'll still be vendor locked depending on which variable refresh tech we choose though if nvidia insists on not supporting it.

If freesync shows up in IPS monitors while the competition is still only in cruft TN screens, I'd go for a 390X card for that reason alone. Going to need to see a review of the hardware from AT first though.

 

[Despoiler]

Nvidia was first with gsync, of course they're not going to support freesync yet. Amd pushes proprietary stuff too with mantle and true audio.

And nobody hates freesync, just richard huddy.

Actually Mantle was mentioned in this same presentation. It's going open use in December. Intel and Nvidia are free to use it. True audio is a Tensilica DSP. It's very much not proprietary to AMD.

 

[wand3r3r]

I can't wait to see what the 4k monitors prices and specs are. I hope that the prices drop since the last drop was the $600 price point early this year. They are due for another nice drop.

+1 for AMD to bring another essentially industry standard instead of trying to lock in users.

 

[KaRLiToS]

Actually Mantle was mentioned in this same presentation. It's going open use in December. Intel and Nvidia are free to use it. True audio is a Tensilica DSP. It's very much not proprietary to AMD.

You are right, I should have posted it in the OP

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AMD’s Public Mantle SDK is Coming Out This Year – Nvidia And Intel Are Free to Use it
According to AMD, once the public Mantle SDK is out, both Nvidia and Intel can write and release drivers that would enable the close-to-the-metal API on their hardware on all Mantle enabled games. Whether they choose to do so or not however is completely up to them. We know Intel is certainly interested in AMD’s proposition, as it had already approached the company about Mantle earlier in the year.
Richard Huddy went on to state that currently there are over 100 game development teams who have signed up for Mantle. According to Huddy that’s more than double the developers from summer of 2014. Currently there are over 20 games which have launched with Mantle support or are currently in development. As well as ten publicly announced game studios and four game engines which include Frostbite 3, CryEngine, Asura Engine and the Nitrous Engine. You can find a complete list of all current and upcoming games with Mantle support by our friends at Videocardz.com.

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