Legalize Polygamy!

[BoberFett]

I don't really have an issue with the idea of Poly marriages, but the entire marriage legal framework would have to massively change, because right now marriage is clearly a contract between two people. In poly marriages, it would be one contract with multiple parties, so how do you handle divorce, shared debts, properties rights, etc. If the man dies are the women still married? If one women leaves, does the whole marriage end?

Oh noes! Complex laws! But let's have government run health care. That's easy.

Also all you commitment phobic men, I have news for you. Basically no normal woman is going to agree to be in a poly marriage with 1 guy and multiple wives. What would actually happen is 1 women with multiple men, because lets face it tits attract way more men than dick attracts women. So if poly marriages actually happen, you will probably end up with even less sex than you currently have.

Another stupid statement. Why not 2 men and 2 women? Why is it always either one man or one woman with multiple partners?

There is also nothing from stopping people from have open marriages/swinging now or even having a live in second "wife." There is just no legal framework, currently for allowing more than 2 people to enter into a marriage contract.

Oh boohoo, there's nothing stopping people from being gay, there's just no legal framework for gay people getting married, so why the big fuss?

Which this is why poly and same-sex marriages are not actually all that related. SSM would use the same legal framework that exists today, they just want access to it. Poly would require a whole new legal framework that no one currently has access to, so everyone is seen equal under the law.

They are the same. Why in a poly relationship should only one other person be allowed hospital visitation?

All you anti-SSM people routing for polymarriages to attack SSM better watch out though, you may just get what you wish for.

Or maybe some of us are actually for true freedom, and are tired of the bigots who are for SSM only because it's fashionable, while they maintain their bigotry for everything else.

 

[OutHouse]

We just saw this in the last Mormon sect with Mr Jeffs? He was all about controlling children and women and marrying underage girls. It is all a kind of slippery slope.

so a small religious group run by a few religious assholes abuse children and is representation of what could happen if polygamy is legalized?

in my opinion it should be legalized. bring it out into the open and the abuse that happens in isolated communities will be better controlled.

 

[Zebo]

People need to consider why "abuses" happen - like anything you keep it in the shadows "abuses" happen - look at drug war and prostitution. In isolation mass murder and sex slavery are happening.

Like the feminist free thinking author says

Children in polygamous communities are taught to fear the police and are not likely to report an abusive neighbor if they suspect their own parents might be caught up in a subsequent criminal investigation. In a United States with legalized polygamy, responsible plural families could emerge from the shadows—making it easier for authorities to zero in on the criminals who remain there.

 

[Moonbeam]

It's not based on illegal discrimination so it won't be legalized. Mormons were pedophiles and Muslims only allowed it, not desired it, as a form of charity to widowed Mothers because of the number of men who died in battles.

 

[TerryMathews]

It's not based on illegal discrimination so it won't be legalized. Mormons were pedophiles and Muslims only allowed it, not desired it, as a form of charity to widowed Mothers because of the number of men who died in battles.

Banning it certainly isn't marriage equality.

 

[Zorba]

Well or you could handle it as multiple contracts.

Selling a car is clearly a contract between 2 people. Yet somehow society manages to allow people to sell more than one car.

That would be multiple marriage, not polymarriage and I don't think that should ever be legal. All members would have to be connected through one contract, or they are not all married.

Apparently you have never heard of a mistress.

Also, I could easily use the same argument for same-sex marriage. No normal man is going to want to take in the butt.

It wasn't an argument against poly-marriage you twit, I am saying all the guys in here that have some idea they could bang 5 different women while being married to all are probably delusional. It is much more likely that a women would have multiple husbands in the real world, outside of cults.

 

[Moonbeam]

People need to consider why "abuses" happen - like anything you keep it in the shadows "abuses" happen - look at drug war and prostitution. In isolation mass murder and sex slavery are happening.

Like the feminist free thinking author says

Parenting is legal and open and every parent destroys his or her kids, have to destroy them because they remind you every minute they still live that us adults are emotionally dead. We kill them so they fit in and so few even know it.

 

[Zebo]

Or maybe some of us are actually for true freedom, and are tired of the bigots who are for SSM only because it's fashionable, while they maintain their bigotry for everything else.

Haha - Yeah it's amazing how bigoted people are who claim to be open minded. But you see hypocrisy everywhere. As it relates to this topic only 14% favor in a pew poll I read. (about where gay marriage was in the 1970s)

I don't like drugs, never visited a whore in my life, don't like religion especially retrograde islam, not gay, don't want 4 wives, dont like single women raising boys, but I think all should legal and i should MMOB. Thats true open mindedness.

 

[Zorba]

Oh noes! Complex laws! But let's have government run health care. That's easy.

They are laws that aren't on the books yet, so it isn't something that could happen over night, unlike SSM. That doesn't mean it can't or shouldn't ever happen, but it would require new laws, not just lifting of bans.

Another stupid statement. Why not 2 men and 2 women? Why is it always either one man or one woman with multiple partners?

That comment was directed at all the people in this thread that are talking about how evolution made man need to have multiple wives, but women only want one man. I am sure 2 x 2 would be a somewhat common arrangement, though.

Oh boohoo, there's nothing stopping people from being gay, there's just no legal framework for gay people getting married, so why the big fuss?

Again, there is a legal framework for same-sex marriage, they have just been banned from the process. There is no legal framework for a marriage of more than two people. Again I am not arguing against poly, just saying there is no framework right now, and real thought would have to be put into the correct way to set it up.

They are the same. Why in a poly relationship should only one other person be allowed hospital visitation?

Poly would be new laws/rights, SSM is asking for inclusion in existing laws/right. I.e. currently no one can have multiple spouses, so everyone is equal before the law. But a same sex couple can not get married were an opposite sex couple can, which is unequal before the law.

It is the difference between blacks wanting to be able to use whites' restrooms, and someone else saying "well if black people get to use white people's restrooms, then restrooms should be unisex!"

Or maybe some of us are actually for true freedom, and are tired of the bigots who are for SSM only because it's fashionable, while they maintain their bigotry for everything else.

I don't think people are pushing for equality before the law just because it fashionable, it is the right thing. You may be actually for SSM and Poly, but a lot of the people in this thread are only using Poly to try to undermine SSM's arguments, see nehalem256 as a perfect example. Those are the people I was telling to be careful what they wish for.

Again, I am not against Poly, but I'd have to know what the legal framework was going to be before I got behind it as well. Because again, no one can have multiple spouses, so all are equal.

 

[nehalem256]

That would be multiple marriage, not polymarriage and I don't think that should ever be legal. All members would have to be connected through one contract, or they are not all married.

I don't know where you get that idea.

It wasn't an argument against poly-marriage you twit, I am saying all the guys in here that have some idea they could bang 5 different women while being married to all are probably delusional. It is much more likely that a women would have multiple husbands in the real world, outside of cults.

Reality says you are wrong.

In the real world there are far more cases of men marrying multiple women.

Even in the western world it is far more common for a man to have a mistress. In fact I can't even think of what a male mistress would be called

 

[Zebo]

I'm not sure what you mean by legal framework zorba. Same marriage laws would be applied to polygamous you 'd just have to add more slots on forms.

So when filling out taxes or benefit form it would say Spouse 1 spouse 2 spouse 3 etc.

Seems like you're making a mountain outta a molehill.

Judges will still unfairly give custody to natural mother 95% of the time in divorce.

What changes?

 

[BoberFett]

They are laws that aren't on the books yet, so it isn't something that could happen over night, unlike SSM. That doesn't mean it can't or shouldn't ever happen, but it would require new laws, not just lifting of bans.

Which laws specifically are insufficient? Current Laws seem to be able to handle when there

Again, there is a legal framework for same-sex marriage, they have just been banned from the process. There is no legal framework for a marriage of more than two people. Again I am not arguing against poly, just saying there is no framework right now, and real thought would have to be put into the correct way to set it up.

There's a process in place for a man and woman getting married, and homosexuals are free to take advantage of them. There's no framework in place for SSM though. When there are children, the mother gets favorable custody rights. How do you decide when it's two mothers or two fathers? Oh the horror! Wasn't that the argument from some of the opponent of SSM?

Poly would be new laws/rights, SSM is asking for inclusion in existing laws/right. I.e. currently no one can have multiple spouses, so everyone is equal before the law. But a same sex couple can not get married were an opposite sex couple can, which is unequal before the law.

You're spinning this based on your bias. We're not talking about anything difficult here, just make it legal and the social challenges will be dealt with along the way.

It is the difference between blacks wanting to be able to use whites' restrooms, and someone else saying "well if black people get to use white people's restrooms, then restrooms should be unisex!"

So what you're saying is that until complex changes to the law can be worked out, transgendered people should be denied the use of public restrooms.

Again, I am not against Poly, but I'd have to know what the legal framework was going to be before I got behind it as well. Because again, no one can have multiple spouses, so all are equal.

And prior to SSM legalization, everyone was free to marry someone of the opposite sex. All were equal.

Everything your saying is exactly what the homophobes said for years.

 

[squarecut1]

What on earth are you on about?

Who are these sexually rampant men having sex with if women will only go with those who will commit to them long term?

Having sex (because it is a biological need) and wanting long term commitment are not mutually exclusive. Most women do want that long term thing.

That is why the ratio of men to women on dating / hookup sites is so lopsided. All these companies know that for their sites to be a success, they need to attract women. Men are already there in huge numbers. Men are predatory animals by nature.

 

[Retro Rob]

Again, I am not against Poly, but I'd have to know what the legal framework was going to be before I got behind it as well. Because again, no one can have multiple spouses, so all are equal.

Before same-sex marriage started to become legalized, no one could have a same-sex spouse, so all were equal.



Admit it, same-sex marriage is fashionable, which in the only reason why you're behind it.

You're a bigot if you think hiding behind some legal "complications" is a legitimate reason to deny pro-poly's their rights.

Liberal hypo's are amazingly common here.

 

[Stable]

Nobody prosecutes polygamy unless it's in pursuit of much more grave charges. The law is in place because often in these polygamous relationships are in the context of a religious cult. Few women would advocate that having a "sister wife" would improve their marriage. Polygamy today is mostly practiced in tight-nit patriarchal societies where religion and spiritual leaders, who are always men, dictate what happens in the household. These laws need to be in place to deter and eventually eliminate the systematic abuse perpetrated by these cults. The ironic part is these same communities would balk at the notion of homosexuality itself let alone gay marriage.

 

[Bitek]

I have enough trouble with one wife, why the hell would I want another one?

Ain't that the truth.


Sounds like a good idea when you think about having more women in the bed. Then you realize they will also double up on your ass anytime outside the bedroom as well.

 

[BoberFett]

Nobody prosecutes polygamy unless it's in pursuit of much more grave charges.

Could that have anything to do with the fact that most places won't give you a marriage license with room for more than two names?

The law is in place because often in these polygamous relationships are in the context of a religious cult.

See above. I bet you'd also be shocked to know that because meth is illegal, it's hard to find an honest meth dealer.

Few women would advocate that having a "sister wife" would improve their marriage.

How nice of you to decide how other people should live.

Polygamy today is mostly practiced in tight-nit patriarchal societies where religion and spiritual leaders, who are always men, dictate what happens in the household.

And homosexuals all rape young boys. At least that what's bigots used to claim.

These laws need to be in place to deter and eventually eliminate the systematic abuse perpetrated by these cults. The ironic part is these same communities would balk at the notion of homosexuality itself let alone gay marriage.

Let me guess, you're for same sex marriage?

Just another bigot.

 

[Stable]

Could that have anything to do with the fact that most places won't give you a marriage license with room for more than two names?



See above. I bet you'd also be shocked to know that because meth is illegal, it's hard to find an honest meth dealer.



How nice of you to decide how other people should live.



And homosexuals all rape young boys. At least that what's bigots used to claim.



Let me guess, you're for same sex marriage?

Just another bigot.

Could you try making some sense? You make no cohesive points, basically you call people names. Hopefully a member of this forum who isn't intellectually disabled could explain what your point is?

 

[BoberFett]

Could you try making some sense? You make no cohesive points, basically you call people names. Hopefully a member of this forum who isn't intellectually disabled could explain what your point is?

Literacy isn't your strong point, I see.

 

[nehalem256]

Poly would be new laws/rights, SSM is asking for inclusion in existing laws/right. I.e. currently no one can have multiple spouses, so everyone is equal before the law. But a same sex couple can not get married were an opposite sex couple can, which is unequal before the law.

how is that any different than saying:"Currently no one can marry someone of the same sex, so everyone is equal before the law"

 

[Moonbeam]

Haha - Yeah it's amazing how bigoted people are who claim to be open minded. But you see hypocrisy everywhere. As it relates to this topic only 14% favor in a pew poll I read. (about where gay marriage was in the 1970s)


You are not as open minded as the folk at NAMBLA. Why is that? A truly open minded person by your reasoning, it would seem to me, would be one with no moral compass, no understanding of human nature, and no sense of what rules have proven utilitarian over centuries of experience.

 

[Zebo]

Haha - Yeah it's amazing how bigoted people are who claim to be open minded. But you see hypocrisy everywhere. As it relates to this topic only 14% favor in a pew poll I read. (about where gay marriage was in the 1970s)


You are not as open minded as the folk at NAMBLA. Why is that? A truly open minded person by your reasoning, it would seem to me, would be one with no moral compass, no understanding of human nature, and no sense of what rules have proven utilitarian over centuries of experience.

I would hope not. Children minds are not fully developed so they cant be consenting adults. Adults are. Similarly I feel child should not get death penalty or own guns or do drugs.

 

[MongGrel]

Lutherans and Anglicans in Africa are allowed to have multiple wives.
Catholic Priests get married
Churches try and fit into local traditions

Lutherans? news to me, but I guess I haven't been to church in a long time.

I guess we were the Progressive side if the Catholic Church a long time ago, he he.

 

[Veliko]

Having sex (because it is a biological need) and wanting long term commitment are not mutually exclusive. Most women do want that long term thing.

That is why the ratio of men to women on dating / hookup sites is so lopsided. All these companies know that for their sites to be a success, they need to attract women. Men are already there in huge numbers. Men are predatory animals by nature.

You keep talking about 'by nature' yet nothing here makes any sense.

There is nothing predatory about putting your name in a dating database and a quick trip out on a Friday night will show you how many sexually aggressive women there are who aren't looking for long term commitment.

 

[Vic]

I have enough trouble with one wife, why the hell would I want another one?

Agreed. Polygamy is not my own cup of tea. But hey, to each their own.