legality of lethal injections

Syrch

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20972425/

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court on Tuesday agreed to consider the constitutionality of lethal injections in a case that could affect the way inmates are executed around the country.

The high court will hear a challenge from two inmates on death row in Kentucky ? Ralph Baze and Thomas Clyde Bowling Jr. ? who sued Kentucky in 2004, claiming lethal injection amounts to cruel and unusual punishment.

Baze has been scheduled for execution Tuesday night, but the Kentucky Supreme Court halted the proceedings earlier this month.

The U.S. Supreme Court has previously made it easier for death row inmates to contest the lethal injections used across the country for executions.

But until Tuesday, the justices had never agreed to consider the fundamental question of whether the mix of drugs used in Kentucky and elsewhere violates the Eighth Amendment?s ban on cruel and unusual punishment.

All 37 states that perform lethal injections use the same three-drug cocktail, but at least 11 states suspended its use after opponents alleged it was ineffective and cruel. The three drugs consist of an anesthetic, a muscle paralyzer, and a substance to stop the heart. Death penalty foes have argued that if the condemned prisoner is not given enough anesthetic, he can suffer excruciating pain without being able to cry out.

Anyone else see this as being ridiculous? Inmates that are on death row filing this case? I'd say they are on death row for reasons that most likely involve cruel and unusual punishment.
 

FoBoT

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Originally posted by: Syrch
Anyone else see this as being ridiculous? Inmates that are on death row filing this case? I'd say they are on death row for reasons that most likely involve cruel and unusual punishment.

i don't interpret the constitution the same as the S.C.

to me, that clause in the constitution means you can't torture them before/during the execution

i would mandate it be done the cheapest means possible, hanging i think. you can resuse the rope
 

SarcasticDwarf

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Originally posted by: CadetLee
Bullets are cheaper...

Out of all the forms of execution, I will take this above them all. Execution by firing squad is cheaper, faster, and more humane.
 

Syrch

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you could always reuse a bullet also.

What about a hammer. You dont' even need to get a pole to hang them from just one good whack and well you get the idea.
 

So

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Originally posted by: Syrch
you could always reuse a bullet also.

What about a hammer. You dont' even need to get a pole to hang them from just one good whack and well you get the idea.

Gallagher the executioner?
 

Syrch

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Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: Syrch
you could always reuse a bullet also.

What about a hammer. You dont' even need to get a pole to hang them from just one good whack and well you get the idea.

Gallagher the executioner?

ROFL

Not very humane but its hella cheap!
 

FoBoT

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Originally posted by: Syrch
you could always reuse a bullet also.

What about a hammer. You dont' even need to get a pole to hang them from just one good whack and well you get the idea.

that is basically how they slaughter cattle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_bolt_pistol

In the penetrating type, the stunner uses a pointed bolt which is propelled by a blank cartridge or pressurized air. The bolt penetrates the skull of the animal, enters the cranium, and catastrophically damages the cerebrum and part of the cerebellum. Due to concussion, destruction of vital centres of brain and a reduction in intra-cranial pressure, the animal loses consciousness. After striking, the bolt recoils back into the barrel. This method is currently the most effective and widely used type of stunning, since it physically obliterates the brain matter...
 

Ns1

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Originally posted by: FoBoT
Originally posted by: Syrch
you could always reuse a bullet also.

What about a hammer. You dont' even need to get a pole to hang them from just one good whack and well you get the idea.

that is basically how they slaughter cattle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_bolt_pistol

In the penetrating type, the stunner uses a pointed bolt which is propelled by a blank cartridge or pressurized air. The bolt penetrates the skull of the animal, enters the cranium, and catastrophically damages the cerebrum and part of the cerebellum. Due to concussion, destruction of vital centres of brain and a reduction in intra-cranial pressure, the animal loses consciousness. After striking, the bolt recoils back into the barrel. This method is currently the most effective and widely used type of stunning, since it physically obliterates the brain matter...

I kinda wish I hadn't read that.
 

TheNinja

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Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Bullets are cheaper...

Out of all the forms of execution, I will take this above them all. Execution by firing squad is cheaper, faster, and more humane.

How about a firing squad of 5 guys with .50 cal? That's gotta be pretty painless.
 

mrrman

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Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
Originally posted by: FoBoT
Originally posted by: Syrch
you could always reuse a bullet also.

What about a hammer. You dont' even need to get a pole to hang them from just one good whack and well you get the idea.

that is basically how they slaughter cattle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_bolt_pistol

In the penetrating type, the stunner uses a pointed bolt which is propelled by a blank cartridge or pressurized air. The bolt penetrates the skull of the animal, enters the cranium, and catastrophically damages the cerebrum and part of the cerebellum. Due to concussion, destruction of vital centres of brain and a reduction in intra-cranial pressure, the animal loses consciousness. After striking, the bolt recoils back into the barrel. This method is currently the most effective and widely used type of stunning, since it physically obliterates the brain matter...

I kinda wish I hadn't read that.

Yeah I knew about this method....could never work in a slaughter house thats for sure...Id be a vegetarian lol

 

tranceport

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Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
Originally posted by: FoBoT
Originally posted by: Syrch
you could always reuse a bullet also.

What about a hammer. You dont' even need to get a pole to hang them from just one good whack and well you get the idea.

that is basically how they slaughter cattle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_bolt_pistol

In the penetrating type, the stunner uses a pointed bolt which is propelled by a blank cartridge or pressurized air. The bolt penetrates the skull of the animal, enters the cranium, and catastrophically damages the cerebrum and part of the cerebellum. Due to concussion, destruction of vital centres of brain and a reduction in intra-cranial pressure, the animal loses consciousness. After striking, the bolt recoils back into the barrel. This method is currently the most effective and widely used type of stunning, since it physically obliterates the brain matter...

I kinda wish I hadn't read that.

I know right? Electrocuting the chickens to stop their heart, then cutting off their head, and zapping them again to restart the heart to pump all of the blood out is soooo much better. Eat chicken sandwich and you'll feel better.

:)



edit: ficks mah spallin errurs.
 

FoBoT

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the worse part about a slaughter house is the smell (well, to the people, i guess the worst part to the cows is the getting turned into hamburgers part)
anybody that has ever lived within a few miles of one knows what i mean
 

MrWizzard

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Originally posted by: TheNinja
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Bullets are cheaper...

Out of all the forms of execution, I will take this above them all. Execution by firing squad is cheaper, faster, and more humane.

How about a firing squad of 5 guys with .50 cal? That's gotta be pretty painless.

5 .50 calls hitting a guys gotta be pretty messy.

What about a volcano?
 

lokiju

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Originally posted by: FoBoT
Originally posted by: Syrch
you could always reuse a bullet also.

What about a hammer. You dont' even need to get a pole to hang them from just one good whack and well you get the idea.

that is basically how they slaughter cattle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_bolt_pistol

In the penetrating type, the stunner uses a pointed bolt which is propelled by a blank cartridge or pressurized air. The bolt penetrates the skull of the animal, enters the cranium, and catastrophically damages the cerebrum and part of the cerebellum. Due to concussion, destruction of vital centres of brain and a reduction in intra-cranial pressure, the animal loses consciousness. After striking, the bolt recoils back into the barrel. This method is currently the most effective and widely used type of stunning, since it physically obliterates the brain matter...

Cold Creek Manor, bang! Dead with a hammer!
 

MrDudeMan

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Personally, I have a plan for what I would do to people who are convicted and sentenced to death row.

Stage 1:
The first stage would be an all out brawl for 30 seconds in a coliseum type environment. Put 200 prisoners in, 100 with swords and 100 with shields. Whoever is left standing after 30 seconds moves to stage 2.

Stage 2:
Construct an arena on an island with 30-40 foot high concrete walls all around the perimeter. Station snipers on top of the wall to persuade the contestants not to escape. Let the vegetation in the middle grow to look pretty natural and basically be like a jungle type landscape. All of the survivors from Stage 1 are now put into teams best utilizing their skills. They are provided with caveman like weapons and will be shot by the snipers if they do not make forward progress within 1 hour. Move to Stage 3 after one team has been completely neutralized.

Stage 3: Create a genetically engineered animal that is part bear for intense bone and muscle density, part lion for ferocity, and part armadillo for some armor. Put the remaining contestants into several groups, all on the same team, and provide them with basic weapons like swords, shields, and spears. Several chests will be distributed and hidden that contain special weapons like pistols, grenades, and one with a flamethrower. Stage 3 will proceed for up to 4 hours or until everyone has been neutralized, whichever comes first. Anyone remaining after 4 hours will be congratulated on their victory, get to eat a decent meal, possibly have some sex, and then be executed via firing squad.

Keep in mind this is for convicted maximum security prisoners who would be put to death anyway.
 

Garet Jax

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Originally posted by: FoBoT
Originally posted by: Syrch
Anyone else see this as being ridiculous? Inmates that are on death row filing this case? I'd say they are on death row for reasons that most likely involve cruel and unusual punishment.

i don't interpret the constitution the same as the S.C.

to me, that clause in the constitution means you can't torture them before/during the execution

i would mandate it be done the cheapest means possible, hanging i think. you can resuse the rope

With hanging you can even do two or three inmates at a time.

Killing two (jail)birds with one stone - so to speak :)