left my sprinkler on overnight. :-(

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funboy6942

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Originally posted by: NoShangriLa

It shouldn't be that bad. My calculation base on plastic pipe standard of 8 f/s equate to 3524 gallons or $8.81 (at $0.0025 gal); not include friction lost, fittings & sprinkler head flow restriction.

It just shown that you wasted enough water for 1 person in a month in the US (3000 gal/mo per person doesn't include lawn/garden watering or car washing).

Here in my area the real cost is the $150.00 fine for each first & second offend, then it go to $500.00

NERD

 

Eli

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Originally posted by: NoShangriLa
It shouldn't be that bad. My calculation base on plastic pipe standard of 8 f/s equate to 3524 gallons or $8.81 (at $0.0025 gal); not include friction lost, fittings & sprinkler head flow restriction.

It just shown that you wasted enough water for 1 person in a month in the US (3000 gal/mo per person doesn't include lawn/garden watering or car washing).

Here in my area the real cost is the $150.00 fine for each first & second offense, then it go to $500.00
According to the calculations I found, a 1/2" hose 50 feet long will flow 12GPM at 40PSI.

That info is almost worthless since the sprinkler head should flow considerably less than this, but it does represent worst case scenario.
 

funboy6942

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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: NoShangriLa
It shouldn't be that bad. My calculation base on plastic pipe standard of 8 f/s equate to 3524 gallons or $8.81 (at $0.0025 gal); not include friction lost, fittings & sprinkler head flow restriction.

It just shown that you wasted enough water for 1 person in a month in the US (3000 gal/mo per person doesn't include lawn/garden watering or car washing).

Here in my area the real cost is the $150.00 fine for each first & second offense, then it go to $500.00
According to the calculations I found, a 1/2" hose 50 feet long will flow 12GPM at 40PSI.

That info is almost worthless since the sprinkler head should flow considerably less than this, but it does represent worst case scenario.

And NERDER
 

NoShangriLa

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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: NoShangriLa
It shouldn't be that bad. My calculation base on plastic pipe standard of 8 f/s equate to 3524 gallons or $8.81 (at $0.0025 gal); not include friction lost, fittings & sprinkler head flow restriction.

It just shown that you wasted enough water for 1 person in a month in the US (3000 gal/mo per person doesn't include lawn/garden watering or car washing).

Here in my area the real cost is the $150.00 fine for each first & second offense, then it go to $500.00
According to the calculations I found, a 1/2" hose 50 feet long will flow 12GPM at 40PSI.

That info is almost worthless since the sprinkler head should flow considerably less than this, but it does represent worst case scenario.
Q = A/V

Principles of Plumbing

The link calculation is slightly different than mine because they use the actual ID (Internal Dimension of copper tubing), and I ball park the ID to 0.5" instead of 0.6" for schedule 40 PVC tubing.

Corrected flow to 0.6" ID for PVC would be 5076 gallon in 12 hours @ 8 f/s (7.05 GPM @ 1/2 inch), however this calculation is for the absolute perfect condition. In reality it should be much less due to pipe friction (length), fitting friction, and sprinkler head restriction; therefore the cost should be less than $12.69.

According to the Canadian National Plumbing Code, cold water velocity is 5 f/s for copper pipe, and 8 f/s for plastic pipe (various manufacture rate their plastic pipe any where from 7.8-8 f/s)

The rating of 12 GPM seems a bit high because in my experience it take a lot more than 25 seconds to fill a 5 gallon bucket with a garden hose.

Irrigation Tutorial -- Maximum Available GPM for a size of pipe.

1/2" SCH 40 PVC or steel pipe 7 GPM

Values are based on 7 feet per second of flow. This is the maximum recommended velocity for water in a pipe. Higher flows greatly increase the risk of water hammer, which can potentially damage the pipe.

WARNING: These values are the maximum safe flows that can be pushed through a pipe. The flows given are not an indication of how much water will be available from a given size of pipe. You should not use this table to determine what size a pipe should be, or how much water you can expect to get from it.
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: NoShangriLa
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: NoShangriLa
It shouldn't be that bad. My calculation base on plastic pipe standard of 8 f/s equate to 3524 gallons or $8.81 (at $0.0025 gal); not include friction lost, fittings & sprinkler head flow restriction.

It just shown that you wasted enough water for 1 person in a month in the US (3000 gal/mo per person doesn't include lawn/garden watering or car washing).

Here in my area the real cost is the $150.00 fine for each first & second offense, then it go to $500.00
According to the calculations I found, a 1/2" hose 50 feet long will flow 12GPM at 40PSI.

That info is almost worthless since the sprinkler head should flow considerably less than this, but it does represent worst case scenario.
Q = A/V

Principles of Plumbing

The link calculation is slightly different than mine because they use the actual ID (Internal Dimension of copper tubing), and I ball park the ID to 0.5" instead of 0.6" for schedule 40 PVC tubing.

Corrected flow to 0.6" ID for PVC would be 5076 gallon in 12 hours @ 8 f/s (7.05 GPM @ 1/2 inch), however this calculation is for the absolute perfect condition. In reality it should be much less due to pipe friction (length), fitting friction, and sprinkler head restriction; therefore the cost should be less than $12.69.

According to the Canadian National Plumbing Code, cold water velocity is 5 f/s for copper pipe, and 8 f/s for plastic pipe (various manufacture rate their plastic pipe any where from 7.8-8 f/s)

The rating of 12 GPM seems a bit high because in my experience it take a lot more than 25 seconds to fill a 5 gallon bucket with a garden hose.

Irrigation Tutorial -- Maximum Available GPM for a size of pipe.

1/2" SCH 40 PVC or steel pipe 7 GPM

Values are based on 7 feet per second of flow. This is the maximum recommended velocity for water in a pipe. Higher flows greatly increase the risk of water hammer, which can potentially damage the pipe.

WARNING: These values are the maximum safe flows that can be pushed through a pipe. The flows given are not an indication of how much water will be available from a given size of pipe. You should not use this table to determine what size a pipe should be, or how much water you can expect to get from it.
But we're talking about a garden hose, not plumbing?

I used this
 

Eli

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It does seem like it takes longer than 30 seconds to fill a 5 gallon bucket though. Hmm. BRB! ;)

Though I don't know the water pressure here.
 

BoomerD

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Originally posted by: Eli
It does seem like it takes longer than 30 seconds to fill a 5 gallon bucket though. Hmm. BRB! ;)

Though I don't know the water pressure here.

Perhaps there are unaccounted for plumbing restrictions that are allowing the pressure but not the flow rate used in the calculations. (although if you have X PSI at the hose bib, then as long as the pipe size coming to that point is the same size or larger than the hose, you SHOULD get the flow rate expected.)
 

seemingly random

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
We don't have water meters here, (not yet, but they're coming) but in this town, you'd get a "water waster" ticket. First offense is $50, and each subsequent offense gets more and more expensive.
No meters? You must live in the land of oz.
 

IEC

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We pay more for our water bill than our electricity bill...

But then when you only use 330KWh in a month that's understandable...
 

Locut0s

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We don't pay for water here.

Well ok sure we do but it's a small flat rate included in your property taxes. No one thinks about the cost of using water since it's not billed by the amount you use. I'm talking residential use. Would be nice if we did pay for water is some ways, would promote conservation. You don't think much about the cost of using water when you live in one of the wettest cities in north America and most of your power if hydro as well.
 

BoomerD

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Originally posted by: seemingly random
Originally posted by: BoomerD
We don't have water meters here, (not yet, but they're coming) but in this town, you'd get a "water waster" ticket. First offense is $50, and each subsequent offense gets more and more expensive.
No meters? You must live in the land of oz.

Close...I'm in northern Kahleeforneeya...:D

Water meters are on the way. Ah-Nold signed a law mandating water meters for everyone in the state. IIRC, we still have 3-4 years before they're required though. IIRC, our water, sewer, and garbage are all on the same bill, and water is a flat monthly rate of about $40.
 

oddyager

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Originally posted by: Ryan
Originally posted by: oddyager
Yeah you are going to see a difference in your bill, but it won't be Jurassic.

They had water bills back then ::Q

The first time I heard someone used that was on Married with Children when Al (or could have been Peggy) makes a comment on who the female passengers were on their cruise boat. I don't know why but it stuck with me since when referring to anything large or huge.

EDIT:

Here it is!

JEFFERSON Uh, excuse me, Gretchen, but, uh... I thought all the passengers were... [Al whispers something in his ear] Jurassic. Uh, I-I mean... jolly.
 

SpunkyJones

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Originally posted by: sao123
Originally posted by: dartworth
why didn't the cops turn it off or wake you up?

duh... because he locked his doors!

Locked his doors? What is he hiding? The police should break in and make sure everything is ok.
 

seemingly random

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: seemingly random
Originally posted by: BoomerD
We don't have water meters here, (not yet, but they're coming) but in this town, you'd get a "water waster" ticket. First offense is $50, and each subsequent offense gets more and more expensive.
No meters? You must live in the land of oz.

Close...I'm in northern Kahleeforneeya...:D

Water meters are on the way. Ah-Nold signed a law mandating water meters for everyone in the state. IIRC, we still have 3-4 years before they're required though. IIRC, our water, sewer, and garbage are all on the same bill, and water is a flat monthly rate of about $40.
Heh, I'd love to have those contracts...

I'm still amazed that there is still unmetered, central supplied water anywhere. I've heard of a flat sewage charge on a monthly water bill though.
 

alkemyst

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Here you get metered for water with sewage added to that. Sucks if you irrigate.

You can get a separate meter for $300 though that is only for water that doesn't go down a city water drain. In this case you pay purely for water. It's about half the cost.