Left 4 Dead 2

Queasy

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I brought this up in the Assassin's Creed 2 thread but it really needs its own thread.

Anyways, I tried playing some Quick Match multiplayer games last night and it was just laggy as hell. Ignoring the douche in the first match that would run off and leave the group behind and even set off a Witch, the lag made the game unbearable.

I'll have to give R Nilla's suggestion from the AC2 thread a try tonight.

Off topic: I started a L4D2 game with a friend last night and we noticed right away it was too laggy. So we tried again but this time I set the server settings to "Local" instead of "Official Dedicated" and that solved the lag issue. I thought it was interesting that there's an an option of local or dedicated since usually Live games are hosted locally (AFAIK). Maybe the dedicated servers couldn't handle the release day load?
 

R Nilla

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Yeah, I couldn't believe how unplayable and laggy it was with Official Dedicated selected. I was only playing with one other friend who lives in the same city as me, so maybe it would be different (better or worse) if we had a couple of our other friends that live across the country.

Otherwise, we played through the first two campaigns and had a lot of fun. I love the melee weapons. Already got the achievement for decapitating 200 zombies :)

We played on Normal but the end of the last two chapters in Dark Carnival were brutal!
 

Queasy

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We played on Normal but the end of the last two chapters in Dark Carnival were brutal!

Yeah, in my first we were trying the part where you set off the music, lights, and fireworks on the stage and that was just difficult as hell with the people I was playing with. Three of us would try and stick together but one guy would always go running off by himself. I tried that stage four times before I quit because I got frustrated with the lag and the people I was playing with.

After that, I started a new session in the mall and the lag was so bad that I quit right away and went to AC2.
 

warcrow

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Quick first impressions:

Yesterday I played for roughly 5 hours working my way through Dead Center (1st leg of the campaign), Dark Carnival (2nd) and half way through (Swamp Fever).

The overall level designs are more interesting and thematic this time around. It feels more like a pandemic has taken place with quickly abandonded medical tents and evacuation centers sprinkled about. There is a real sense of urgency left behind by the previous survivors whos wake you follow in.

My initial impression of Dead Center--which takes place partially in a mall--is that it's a bit of a missed opportunity. Yes, it's good and solid fun, but there is a part of me that was really looking forward to seeing what Valve was going to do with an exciting setting like this after playing Dead Rising. I think Valve missed the opportunity to really start L4D2 with a HUGE bang here. Again, it's not bad--it's really fun--just not amazing.

Thankfully--and expectantly--Dark Carnival is extremely entertaining and over the top in so many ways. At one point the survivors spend a fair amount of time working their way through the Tunnel of Love and it's cleary brilliantly made on many levels--both asthetically and strategically.

I only got through 1/3 of Swamp Fever but I can say, for me, that it's a nice variation in the campaign. So far the pacing in the game has been fantastic!

Insofar as the events, they now consist of more than the typical "Quickly buckle down in a corner and shoot!" tactics from the first game. In one particular event you come across a man who's holed himself up in a panic room who will only assist you if you run across the street and get him some Pepsi. It's humorous, yes, but it immediately introduces a variation to the group's strategy where someone must run with the Pepsi in hand--unable to fire a weapon--while the others must fend off the infected. It's nothing monumental (it can be accomplished in 5 minutes), but it's a welcome addition to the normal campaign offering some variation in the campaigns run.

The final crescendo events are fantastic! I'll not spoil a thing and just say that they're deffintely crafted with more character and charm than the first games--and I adore the first game.

The Versus mode is probably the most different in comparison to the first game since the introduction of the new special infected has changes attack strategies completely. I have had several cool moments but my first Jockey expereince was the most memorable so far.

I joined these 3 guys at the beginning of Dark Carnival that obviously knew each other as they were joking around a bunch, and it was our turn to play the infected. There is one particular section where the survivors can cross a catwalk (without railings) to get to a roof and they began to cross it--I spawned as the Jockey (the zombie that jumps on a survivors back and gains partial control of him for roughly 5 seconds) behind a car and quickly ran up behind the last survivor in line. I quickly jumped on his back and forced him to run off the catwalk falling into a swarm of zombies below.

This did a few things: One - it separated him from the comfort and support of his companions as it took a few seconds for them to realize what had happened, two - it forced him to take some damage from the fall, and three - it lead him into a group of willing attackers. It was glorious because as soon as this happened the 3 guys I was playing with all went in for their attacks and we ended up stopping the other team right then and there.

Also, I have to say that it was odd not spawning as the Hunter ever other time in VS mode. I think I played the Hunter around 3 or 4 times in an hours worth of play time--crazy!

Oh, and there are now female Boomers. :)
 

R Nilla

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I tried that stage four times before I quit because I got frustrated with the lag and the people I was playing with.

It took us two tries and on the second I was the only Survivor that made it out alive. And just barely at that.

It seems like the Chargers spawn like nobody's business. It also seems like the special infected appear more randomly, which is a good thing. What I mean by that is in L4D1 if you encountered one of them it was only a (brief) matter of time before the other two appeared. In L4D2 I seem to encounter a random mix and when I see one of them I don't necessarily encounter all of them. Sometimes we'll get through multiple Chargers, Jockeys and Spitters before ever seeing a Hunter or Boomer. This is a huge improvement as it makes things even more unpredictable.
 

Queasy

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It took us two tries and on the second I was the only Survivor that made it out alive. And just barely at that.

It seems like the Chargers spawn like nobody's business. It also seems like the special infected appear more randomly, which is a good thing. What I mean by that is in L4D1 if you encountered one of them it was only a (brief) matter of time before the other two appeared. In L4D2 I seem to encounter a random mix and when I see one of them I don't necessarily encounter all of them. Sometimes we'll get through multiple Chargers, Jockeys and Spitters before ever seeing a Hunter or Boomer. This is a huge improvement as it makes things even more unpredictable.

The AI director seemed to know exactly what infected to bring out when I was playing depending on where we were standing. If we tried the towers in the stands then it would send out Smokers and Spitters to pull or force us down. If we tried defending the stage, it was Chargers, Jockeys, and Spitters.
 

Queasy

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You know what L4D2 needs more of? Zombies. Zombies that appear out of no where to utterly destroy you.

Got attacked by a Boomer and a Smoker at the exact same time on the bridge in the Parish.
 

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How is the lagginess in multiplayet? I think this is on sale at target for 44, along with some other games.
 

Queasy

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How is the lagginess in multiplayet? I think this is on sale at target for 44, along with some other games.

I think it depends on who you play with. Last night, I was in some matches with barely any noticeable lag. Then I switched and played with some other people and the lag was real bad.
 

cyphilis

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That lag isn't to bad, if you do a local server with someone with a good connection. If you use a dedicated server, your asking for lag galore because of how many players are on it.
 

R Nilla

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I haven't touched this game since the day it came out. :(

I was out of town this weekend and my friends have been busy otherwise. Hopefully tonight and tomorrow I can get some games in before I go out of town again for Thanksgiving.
 

tw1164

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I've been playing a lot of L4D 1 since I don't have the money to buy L4D2 and lag is killing the game. Is there a way to do a local server, how do you do it?
 

stag3

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yea on release and the first few days afterwards, all servers we connected to we all had ~280+ pings, it has somewhat started to be manageable now tho

great fun, i like all the little changes and mustachio's mini games.
the gnome achievement was the funnest so far tho
 

cyphilis

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I've been playing a lot of L4D 1 since I don't have the money to buy L4D2 and lag is killing the game. Is there a way to do a local server, how do you do it?

The option for local server is only on L4D2.
However for part 1, you can try this, when doing versus with friends. It does work, and what I do since the demo for part 2 came out and the servers are over loaded.
Host the game, and when your ready to go, keep hitting your A button. Don't stop, just keep hitting it so it starts and cancels the search over and over again.
DO NOT hit it to fast, or double tap it because it will lock your xbox up. Just a steady tapping, and eventually you will see the countdown to connect (5.. 4... 3.. 2... 1... connecting to server) message. After 15-30 seconds it will connect, don't give up. That puts you on a local server, and if your the host you will have all green bars. This is the trick to also get achievements on crash coarse that aren't registering on the dedicated servers.

I have used that on versus mode. I could not get it to work when trying to use it on campain.
 
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zylander

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Good thing I saw this, I was about to post the same thing in a new thread. Since getting L4D2 I have yet to play an online match with random people that was not unplayable due to major lag. I played one online game with just my friend last night and it was fine. Ill try this local server option the next time I play.
 

cyphilis

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Good thing I saw this, I was about to post the same thing in a new thread. Since getting L4D2 I have yet to play an online match with random people that was not unplayable due to major lag. I played one online game with just my friend last night and it was fine. Ill try this local server option the next time I play.

It works pretty well. Every once in a while there will be lag, but for the most part its fairly good. If you host it,. you will have lag free connection. Everyone else playing, their connections are based on how good your internet speed is as well as theirs. So if you have a killer connection, you will be a popular guy :)

I will add, if your not the host and the connection is good for the most part, places in the game where there is a lot of activity it will bog down a little. Say if a boomer hits you, a spitter hits you, and a tank is coming almost everyone will have lag because of everything going on.
 
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TecHNooB

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You know what L4D2 needs more of? Zombies. Zombies that appear out of no where to utterly destroy you.

Got attacked by a Boomer and a Smoker at the exact same time on the bridge in the Parish.

I played on a modded l4d server where tanks and witches literally spawned on top of you, about a dozen at a time.
 

Queasy

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Just a heads up - Dell has Left 4 Dead 2 for $39.99 with free shipping for the 360.
 

tw1164

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You know what L4D2 needs more of? Zombies. Zombies that appear out of no where to utterly destroy you.

Got attacked by a Boomer and a Smoker at the exact same time on the bridge in the Parish.

I was playing the mall stage on advanced last night. I was trying to get up the 3rd floor to turn off the alarm. On the 2nd floor we got rushed by a charger, I killed him but another zombie killed me in the aftermath. While I was laying there I saw two other chargers run up the stairs at the same time. They killed the rest of the team.
 

FuryofFive

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Has anyone tried realism mode? its quite the hard, even on normal.

Nothing sux more than a team that doesnt listen to communication. when your yelling "jockey" and of course the team has run away and not bothered.

other than that, solid game
 

Queasy

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other than that, solid game

Yeah, I hate that I rented it and then missed out on the $34.99 and $39.99 deals from Black Friday/Cyber Monday. I want to get the game but don't want to pay more than $40. :D
 

Garou24

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I picked up L4D2 (XBOX360) at Target for $39 just this Monday. Might check there to see if they still have the sale.
 

BD2003

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Hows the lag nowadays? It was terrible at launch, I've been sticking with MW2 until they clear it up.
 

R Nilla

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Hows the lag nowadays? It was terrible at launch, I've been sticking with MW2 until they clear it up.

I haven't played this much but I did play a match with friends using the Official Dedicated option recently and it worked just fine. Never had any problems with the Local option.