"LED backlights LCD" technology aka WLED. Very thin and stylish

[adlep]

Update: This thread was devoted to Acer S243HL WLED display, but I have found some additional brands/models that feature this technology.

The Acer S243HL monitor looks sweet, but do you think that it is worth the price?
Currently the lowest I have seeen for it is $299.00 with free shipping through buy.com

http://www.buy.com/prod/acer-s243hl-...212640469.html

Here is newegg's link
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824009206

The monitor does not use a regular backlight - rather it uses the LED backlight technology making it thinner and giving it a great contrast ratio...
I am very tempted to buy it. It ain't U2410, but it is a nice design with good parameters (2ms response, huge contrast ratio) and an interesting construction (LED backlight)...
What do you think?

Edit: Specs point to it being a TN panel.

Prad info is here:
http://www.prad.de/en/guide/ergebni...by=price&order_order=asc&Submit=find+displays

Edit: Wikipedia entry about the LED lit LCDs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED-backlit_LCD_television

This is an interesting article because it highlights potential advantages of such a combination:

* They can produce an image with greater dynamic contrast compared with LCD TVs.
* With Edge-LED lighting they can be extremely slim. Current models on the market are just over one inch thick.
* They consume much less power. About 40% less compared with an LCD TV of a similar size.
* They can offer a wider color gamut, especially when RGB-LED backlighting is used.
* Lesser environmental pollution on disposal.
* Higher cost due to current market product placement.

Also, because LEDs are able to be switched on and off more quickly than CCFL displays and can offer a higher light output, it is theoretically possible to offer very high contrast ratios. They can produce deep blacks (LEDs off) and a high brightness (LEDs on), however care should be taken with measurements made from pure black and pure white outputs, as technologies like Edge-LED lighting do not allow these outputs to be reproduced simultaneously on-screen.

So this may be an interesting choice...

Update:
While browsing Dell.com, I have found that they now do offer the WLED displays as well.

1. Dell G2210 22" WLED LCD for $219.00 + tax (5ms response though).
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/p...9&sku=320-7958

2. Dell G2410 24" WLED LCD for $259.00 + tax (5ms response).
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/p...9&sku=320-7956

Further edit....
When you browse through the Dell G2410's product page, make sure to scroll all the way to the bottom and read the reviews. People seem to like this product.

 

[Conscript]

hmm, can't tell if I hate or love the look of it

 

[adlep]

hmm, can't tell if I hate or love the look of it

I love it, look at this picture...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageG...ight%20Monitor

The thing looks like a god damn window - which I like. I also like the fact that it is so thin and all the connectors at the base. So package wise, this looks like a winner to me...

 

[xboxist]

I like the looks of it quite a bit. Stands out from other screens without being overly flashy. Connections at the base of the stand is a nice touch.

Can't find too much info about it right now. Next-to-no reviews.

 

[manimal]

No vesa mounting holes on the back and the connectors are on the stand....

Thats a deal breaker!!!!

 

[adlep]

No vesa mounting holes on the back and the connectors are on the stand....

Thats a deal breaker!!!!

Do you mean it in a positive sense or in a negative sense?
Overall, I like the shape of it and it even got wife approved by now...
I am very tempted to pull the trigger.

 

[PingviN]

The pricing in Sweden is unfortunately way to high (going for some $370-400), if they drop, I'll get me one, or three.

It looks really nice and I want an Eyefinity setup, so the thin frame is a big plus.

 

[adlep]

F...it,
I have ordered it from Amazon.com for $299.00 with free shipping.

http://www.amazon.com/Acer-S243HL-bm.../dp/B002T9DUMK

The monitor looks fantastic, it comes with a 3-yr warranty, and it features the LED backlight tech which may alleviate some of the shortcomings of the TN panels...
I am willing to be a guinea pig - and I will report my findings...

 

[xboxist]

I am willing to be a guinea pig - and I will report my findings...

/clap

I will appreciate it. I think my GF could love this monitor.

 

[manimal]

Do you mean it in a positive sense or in a negative sense?
Overall, I like the shape of it and it even got wife approved by now...
I am very tempted to pull the trigger.

Sorry was trying to channel tina fey with the deal breaker comment. Ya having the connections built into the stand is very limiting. What if you wanted 3 of these on a desk but wanted to use a arm? What if you wanted to wall mount them in an array on the wall and do some eyefinity goodnesss?

I wonder what the IQ is like on these? I saw a samsung backlight led 22 at frys I think recently and it looked like crap.

 

[zmatt]

Sorry was trying to channel tina fey with the deal breaker comment. Ya having the connections built into the stand is very limiting. What if you wanted 3 of these on a desk but wanted to use a arm? What if you wanted to wall mount them in an array on the wall and do some eyefinity goodnesss?

I wonder what the IQ is like on these? I saw a samsung backlight led 22 at frys I think recently and it looked like crap.

I agree the stand design is limiting. But the technology as a whole looks very promising. Personally I am waiting for super thin flexible displays printed on sheets. When you have a screen with the thickness and ductility of a piece of paper, aside form holograph displays, I think that's the ultimate display tech.

 

[xboxist]

When is delivery expected? Can't wait to hear what you think of it.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

I don't really care about thin depth, thin bezel border is more important to me, and its decent in this regard. Other than that I hate the look of the off-center stand.

 

[IlllI]

why would a thin bezel be important when it has a huge, fat base?

 

[cmdrdredd]

I'm not sure I like the 16:9 aspect for a PC. 16:10 is more standard for a PC monitor. Unless you intend to watch TV and movies etc on it.

 

[adlep]

Got the monitor from Fedex 5 minutes ago. Holy shit...
This thing is very light and thin. And I mean very...
So those Dell WLED panels will actually be very suitable for hanging.

Edit: My rig is going to be going through a transformation today.
Going from Win XP -32bit with 21in Dell CRT to Win 7-64 bit with the Acer 24in WLED screen.

 

[MrK6]

I have an LED back-lit display on my Dell XT2 and the screen quality easily trumps traditional CCFL back-lit laptop screens; I'm glad to see this tech migrating to the desktop display market. I'm curious as to how the IQ on some of these models with TN panels compare to traditional "high-quality" monitors (IPS, etc.). I'm already thinking about a 30" LED back-lit IPS (and will probably cost a small fortune) .

 

[xboxist]

Got the monitor from Fedex 5 minutes ago. Holy shit...
This thing is very light and thin. And I mean very...
So those Dell WLED panels will actually be very suitable for hanging.

Edit: My rig is going to be going through a transformation today.
Going from Win XP -32bit with 21in Dell CRT to Win 7-64 bit with the Acer 24in WLED screen.

Very cool, always an exciting thing. I'm doing the same thing in the coming month or two. I've spent a grand total of zero minutes on Vista, and I will be jumping from XP to Windows 7. And 20" to 24".

 

[adlep]

Very cool, always an exciting thing. I'm doing the same thing in the coming month or two. I've spent a grand total of zero minutes on Vista, and I will be jumping from XP to Windows 7. And 20" to 24".

Yep, I've played with 7 and I like it a lot. Vista I absolutely hate. From a computer guy perspective, Vista is an absolute turd to work on. If you have to work on a machine with less than 2 GB of RAM, you might as well squeeze your balls -it so painful.
The 7 on the other hand, seems much faster + I paid for it only $18.00 for my copy thought the University..

The monitor is so light, and tiny that it is ridiculous.
It looks,feels, and weights like a prop from IKEA.
I'll post some comparison pictures later - when compared to the CRT. Space savings equal to about 70%. I have gained about 2 sq feet of desk space...
Picture is good at the native resolution. 1680x1050 is not bad looking either.

Edit: When going from CRT to LCD, make sure to adjust the refresh rate DOWN to 60Hz Took me 5 minutes to figure out what the heck is going on...

Also, Acer did not include the HDMI to DVI converter in the box, so I am stuck using the vga cable and vga/dvi converter for few days - thanks acer

Pictures (next to a 21 in CRT):
http://www.computerfix.org/panel/IMG_2046.JPG
http://www.computerfix.org/panel/IMG_2047.JPG
http://www.computerfix.org/panel/IMG_2049.JPG
http://www.computerfix.org/panel/IMG_2055.JPG
http://www.computerfix.org/panel/IMG_2056.JPG
http://www.computerfix.org/panel/IMG_2057.JPG
http://www.computerfix.org/panel/IMG_2065.JPG

 

[Machupo]

I was going to ask if it went portrait mode for those of us w/ Eyefinity... but looking at your pics of the back, nope.

Oh well, off to find another LED panel

 

[adlep]

I was going to ask if it went portrait mode for those of us w/ Eyefinity... but looking at your pics of the back, nope.

Oh well, off to find another LED panel

Yep,
It ain't gonna happen with this monitor.

 

[mindless1]

It looks a bit like they may have not only put the connectors in the base but also some of the electronics, merely moving from a few little CCFL tubes to LEDs does not account for such a large change in thickness AFAIK, though some of it is certainly due to using less power and having the first stage of it as an external brick PSU.

It also brings up the question of how much light shielding the plastic shell might do. Some of you are talking about screen border size but I'm wondering about thickness of the panel border if the entire front of the casing were taken off.

 

[LED-PERMANENT-EYE-DAMAGE]

After having vision problems after purchasing a LG LED-backlit TV unit (without knowing nothing about LEDs) I made a research now on LED backlit technology and since the LED lights are directed towards the viewer, watching a LED-backlit TV screen creates a direct health hazard to every viewer. I personally noticed that on my eyes vision after few months of watching LG Model # 42LH90 with LED-backlit screen and my vision became much worse, I need new glasses and my eyes now get tired just a few minutes after watching this TV. The screen is way too bright to watch it with covering one's eyes when it goes bright. I now turned the LED lights completely off and the TV picture is dark and ugly, but this is the only way I can watch it now.

As we know it is dangerous to look at LED lights for longer than 90 seconds! Yet LG made a TV with thousands of LED lights directed right at your eyes! Every LED light fixture has a WARNING to not look directly into the LED lights yet LG has made a TV set with the entire screen full of LED lights (emitting white light with enough blue light to impair or damage one's vision) and no warning about any impact of LED lights to your vision. How can that be SAFE?

When I called LG management, they refused to exchange this LED-backlit TV into a safe non-LED TV unit. I did not want my money back or any damages, just another, safe TV unit, yet LG declined my request.

Also I must mention that LG website is a joke. When trying to access "contact us" on LG website it leads to a failed page and while trying to leave a review there is no way to do it, although the text says you can leave a review, there is NO link or button whatsoever to do that and then it says: "Thanks for being a customer!"

BEWARE: WATCHING LED-BACKLIT TV SCREEN PERMANENT EYE DAMAGE MAY OCCUR!


http://www.lge.com/us/common/mobile-phones/mobile-my-lg-reviews.jsp#

"This page is empty because this customer has not yet written a review.
If this is your profile page and you would like to see content here, please write a review on a recent purchase.
Thank you for being a customer!"

http://www.lge.com/us/common/mobile-phones/mobile-my-lg-reviews.jsp#

Service Temporarily Unavailable

Every time I try to access their customer service or leave a review online every time it shows:

Service Temporarily Unavailable

An electronics website has problems? then how good are their TVs if they can't even take care of their website?

LIFE'S GOOD... FOR LG.

 

[Hauk]

After having vision problems after purchasing a LG LED-backlit TV unit (without knowing nothing about LEDs) I made a research now on LED backlit technology and since the LED lights are directed towards the viewer...

Your post reads like one of those crazy ass forwarded emails warning us not do do the obvious.

Seriously.. if you have something to contribute, please post facts, research, anything besides a factless rant about LG and LEDs. My new laptop has an LED backlit display so I'd be interested in learning more. Please provide links.

Welcome to the forums by the way

 

[LED-PERMANENT-EYE-DAMAGE]

Your post reads like one of those crazy ass forwarded emails warning us not do do the obvious.

Seriously.. if you have something to contribute, please post facts, research, anything besides a factless rant about LG and LEDs. My new laptop has an LED backlit display so I'd be interested in learning more. Please provide links.

Welcome to the forums by the way

Sorry for causing you discomfort, all I try is to potentially help save as many eyeballs as possible from a possible permanent damage. There are no links or "proof". I provided the facts of my own experience. I have vision problems after watching LED TV for 4 months. The screen way too bright to watch it without having "winter snow" effect on my eyes when I have to close my eyes every time the screen shows bright colours or explodes with bright colour or becomes white. I talked to an engineer who works in electronics industry and is my relative. He told me to be carteful with LED backlit TV screens. Well, I wish I knew it before I purchased this TV.

I do not post links since it may be not allowed to link to other forums. Just google "led health hazard" and "led eye damage" etc. Any "scientific research" will be kept secret by electronics industry (of course). I tried to post a review on ZDNET but mysteriously their review system does not work. Same is with LG website - is mysteriously broken.