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Lebanese opposition declares intifada
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sandorski
No Lifer
I assume "peaceful" means bomb free.
As for "just ok for Jews", not quite, but likely sorta. Even Judaism teaches that how you treat a Jew should differentiate from how you would treat a non-Jew(idea also exists in Christianity). So at least the basis for a difference in treatment is likely to exist in this case.
As for "just ok for Jews", not quite, but likely sorta. Even Judaism teaches that how you treat a Jew should differentiate from how you would treat a non-Jew(idea also exists in Christianity). So at least the basis for a difference in treatment is likely to exist in this case.
You can't prove me wrong.
You just said the Quran has a statement about 72 virgins in it.
You are the same person who makes countless threads talking badly about Islam and then you say you have nothing against it.
Look at your statement above. Looks to me like you have a STRONG dislike for the religion.
Why lie about how you feel?
You can turn this into another one of your Islam bashing threads. I don't care. have fun with someone else.
Huh, odd.
There are numerous passages that refer to killing infidels. I guess it is not specific to Christians or Jews, but these day infidels pretty much mean everyone.
There are also those tricky passages that refer to enslaving infidels.
Hmm. Oddly, there are also some that claim that Muslims should treat others kindly.
Seems as mixed up as the other religious books. Problem is, this is the only religious book that condones killing and actually give s a framework for it. If this was not the case, the 'scholars' would not routinely issue edicts of death.
Steeplerot
Lifer
Show how little you know of world history RD
How The U.S. Created Modern Jihad Movement
Reaping What We Have Sown
The seeds of fundamentalist Islamic terrorism were planted in 1979, when Jimmy Carter decided to fight back against the expansion of global communism.
Who is behind global Islamic terrorism? A new book by Mahmood Mamdani, Good Muslim, Bad Muslim, makes a persuasive case that the guilty party is the United States. For Mamdani, director of the Institute of African Studies at Columbia University, the seeds of 2004 were planted in 1979. To be more precise, in July 1979, when Jimmy Carter, smarting from US setbacks in Vietnam, Iran and Nicaragua, decided to fight back against the expansion of global communism by providing secret aid to opponents of the new pro-Soviet government in Afghanistan.
The Cold War was at its height. As National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinksi later recalled, he warned Carter that U.S. financial intervention "was going to induce a Soviet military intervention." He was right. In December 1979, the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan. And that set in motion a series of events that haunts us to this day.
Carter renewed financial assistance to Pakistan that had been cut off because of that country's dismal human rights record and its accelerated nuclear weapons program. Under Ronald Reagan, Pakistan became the third largest recipient of US aid, after Israel and Egypt.
The CIA and Pakistan's equivalent, the ISI, became working partners in an enterprise whose objective was to make Afghanistan Russia's Vietnam. Among the more influential and aggressive advocates of this objective was Reagan's assistant secretary of defense, Richard Perle.
The CIA's role was to acquire weapons and specialists in guerrilla warfare from different countries and deliver them, along with intelligence and surveillance information on Afghanistan to the ISI. The ISI transported weapons to the border, supervised the training of Afghan fighters inside Pakistan and coordinated their operations inside Afghanistan.
To fight the Russians we did not fuel Afghan nationalism. Pakistan feared that such nationalism would be led by the 40 percent of Afghanistan that is Pashtun and could inspire uprisings by members of that ethnic group in Pakistan. Instead, the United States established recruitment centers all over the Islamic world: Sudan, Indonesia, Chechnya, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Kosovo, Algeria, Iraq.
We created an "infrastructure of terror" that used Islamic symbols to tap into Islamic networks and communities. In effect, we aided and abetted an Islamic jihad. The Afghan war, Mamdani observes, "was so ideologized that it was seen less and less as a national-liberation struggle and more and more as an international religious crusade: a jihad."
The word "jihad" is now used so frequently in the west that most people believe that calls to religious wars are common in Islam. Mamdani notes that this is untrue. Indeed only four times in 1100 years has a religious jihad been used to mobilize Arabs. The last one occurred in 1891 when Muhammad Ahmed led an uprising against British-Turko-Egyptian colonialism in Sudan.
The U.S. encouraged a new jihad against Soviet atheism. We indoctrinated the Islamic recruits with a hatred of the Soviets and, along with the Pakistani government, taught them how to terrorize and urged them to do so.
One way was through the education system operated by the Mujahideen. In these centers, many of the textbooks were paid for by the U.S. and written by US-chosen contractors. Even math and science texts contained political messages. One-fourth grade text asked students to solve the following arithmetic question, "The speed of a Kalashnikov bullet is 800 meters per second. If a Russian is at a distance of 3200 meters from a muhahid, and that mujahid aims at the Russian's head, calculate how many seconds it will take for the bullet to strike the Russian in the forehead."
"The CIA looked for a Saudi prince to lead this crusade but was unable to find one", Mamdani notes. "It settled for the next best, the son of an illustrious family closely connected to the Saudi royal house", Osama bin Laden.
Osama bin Laden first traveled to Peshawar in 1980. In 1986 he was a major contractor on the construction of the Khost tunnel complex deep under the mountains along the Pakistan border. Housed within that complex were a major arms depot, a training facility and a medical center for the mujahideen. A little more than a decade after bin Laden's crew completed construction Bill Clinton used Tomahawk cruise missiles against it. Today troops continue to fight the remnants of the Taliban there.
In 1989, the Soviet Union pulled out of Afghanistan. A few months later, the Soviet Union itself collapsed. The Cold War was over. But a new war was about to begin. At the end of l989, in the town of Khost, Osama bin Laden announced the creation of a new organization, al-Qaeda, "the Base".
"How did the right-wing Islamism, an ideological tendency with small and scattered numbers before the Afghan War, come to occupy the global center stage after 9/11?" asks Mamdani. "The answer lies in the Afghan jihad, which gave it not only the organization, the numbers, the skills, the reach and the confidence but also a coherent objective."
Mahfoud Bennoune, an Algerian sociologist is more explicit, "Your government participated in creating a monster...16,000 Arabs were trained in Afghanistan, made into a veritable killing machine."
Twelve years after the end of the Cold War an L.A. Times investigative reporter concluded that the key participants in every major terrorist attack in New York, France, Saudi Arabia and other countries were veterans of Afghan War.
We were reaping what we had sowed.
Today some of the principal architects of the Afghan jihad are back in power. Led by Richard Perle and others, they persuaded President Bush that the only way to destroy the Islamic killing machine we had created was to establish a foothold in the heart of the Islamic world. Iraq offered us that chance. On March 20, 2003, almost 25 years after we confronted the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, we seized that opportunity. Some 15 months later more than 600 Americans have died. We've spent more than $200 billion. Trains in Spain, nightclubs in Indonesia, offices in Saudi Arabia are being blown up. Greece is girding for a terrorist attack during this summer's Olympics. U.S. political conventions may take place under military protection.
The Soviet losses in Afghanistan helped speed the end of the Cold War. But the strategy we used to defeat the Soviets also created the bridge to a new global war, one that we are finding may be a great deal hotter and more destructive than the old one.
Steeplerot
Lifer
Yeah and the bible doesent say to kill your own family members :roll:
About the most peaceful major religion I have read the major texts of is Hindi all the rest are violent in many parts directed at others.
P.S. christianity is probably the most historically violent and intolerant of others.
It would take a thousend years of jihad to equal the pain christianity has caused to this world.
Steeplerot
Lifer
Noone is apologising for them it is dead wrong but hypocritical to say one is less violent between the two. christians AND muslims are BOTH whack with the violent aspects of their dogma.
BTW your little rhyme is bunk, there are more hindi/buddists then any other religion so trust me there wil lbe plenty of people left over if the violent religious wingnuts kill each other off.
Sounds to me like you haven't read the Quran. You've only read quotes taken out of context.
Explain to me how there is a large Christian population living in Lebanon?
A Perm. Jewish seat in Iran's parliment. Churches all around.
Churches in Iraq.
Jordan/Syria have Churches.
As well as other Muslim nations. They live in Islamic countries. Shouldn't they be killing Jews/Christians then? They are protected under their laws. Laws don't protect people from getting murdered. They still live.
The Quran is written in Arabic. If you wish to know the true meaning of what it is saying then I suggest you learn Arabic and go read it. It's entirely written in poetry. Ever have different meanings from what a poem is trying to say in English class?
As for the infidel comment, the Quran states to harm all non-believers in the event there is a war declared on Muslims by Christians/Jews. It does not state to go kill Christians simply because they are Christian. If Christians united to get rid of Islam then the Quran states that Muslims must stick together. No, what is happening in Iraq is not a war on Islam.
The majority of Muslims are peaceful. If the majority are peaceful and follow rules given to them by a religion then I don't see how your claim that Muslims want to kill Jews.Christians stands.
There is no "bad" religion.
Religion is for people to find a purpose in life. To give them hope. You can turn any religion into evil if your mind wishes to.
You need to stop looking at crap websites that give out bogus information.
There is no such thing as a Muslim heaven where you get virgins for murder.
What about the Islamic laws of Iran/Sudan? That is Islamic Law. That has nothing to do with Christians/Jewish people. In Iran Jews and Christians are protected under the law. Jews have a perm seat in the Iranian Cabinet even though their numbers are 20,000 out of a population of 70 million.
RabidMongoose
Lifer
I was under the assumption that Islam, like Christianity and Judaism, have different treatments for their own 'people'. Doesn't Islam also have different views of 'people of the book' and those that are not?
Steeplerot
Lifer
A propaganda site is not a credible source for reseaching world religions. THose people have a violent agenda.
Last time I read the Koran it stated that non-muslims would have to pay a "toll" of sorts to live in land ruled by a shah.
Ok so it's not perfect but far from KILL THE INFIDEL DOG tripe you are trying to push.
The current outcry from the muslim world is becasue holy lands have been invaded again by unwelcome westener meddling and killing of their peoples.
The Koran also said to welcome guests into your land but I sure don't see any goodwill toward them in the past 60 years.
Last time I read the Koran it stated that non-muslims would have to pay a "toll" of sorts to live in land ruled by a shah.
Ok so it's not perfect but far from KILL THE INFIDEL DOG tripe you are trying to push.
The current outcry from the muslim world is becasue holy lands have been invaded again by unwelcome westener meddling and killing of their peoples.
The Koran also said to welcome guests into your land but I sure don't see any goodwill toward them in the past 60 years.
Steeplerot
Lifer
A lot of people are but you can't paint a whole people with such a broad brush that is part of the problem.
this jihad infadia (sp?) movement was egged on by the CIA originally against the soviets. Not clerics.
Now the christians are getting egged on here. this could end badly for a lot of people (not counting the ones it already has)
All over a few old moldy books and $. ugh.
this jihad infadia (sp?) movement was egged on by the CIA originally against the soviets. Not clerics.
Now the christians are getting egged on here. this could end badly for a lot of people (not counting the ones it already has)
All over a few old moldy books and $. ugh.
The problem with suicide bombings and going to heaven is very simple and I will explain it to you. I will also explain why some people think they are doing it for Allah. You will see how a lack of education comes into play.
The four schools of Islamic Law: forbid the harming of noncombatants (women, children, monks, hermits, old people, blind, insane)
Islam prohibits suicide:
Suicide is forbidden in Islam: "Whoever commits suicide with a piece of iron will be punished with the same piece of iron in Hell. Whoever commits suicide by throttling shall keep on throttling himself in Hell (forever), and whoever commits suicide by stabbing shall keep on stabbing himself in Hell (forever)."
This is where the fanatics come into play:
Martyrdom is rewarded by an enterance into heaven. When is it accepted? It is accepted only during a Jihad. The Muslim world has not declared a Jihad on anyone, but the fanatics say the West is attacking Muslims.
1) Can't kill women/children 2) Can't commit suicide 3) Martyrdom is accepted
There is a heaven in Islam. Heaven is where everyone is rewarded with luxuries and everything we could ever dream of. Whatever mention of what those pleasures are in heaven is not used in the same sentence/paragraph as ?Martydrom?.
Anyone who says anything otherwise who is not a Muslim is reading incorrect websites and should go ask some local Mosque leader about it.
The only thing people get for martyrdom is 1) No pain 2) Forgiveness of all Sins 3) Entry into heaven. As I said it is only accepted during a Jihad.
The four schools of Islamic Law: forbid the harming of noncombatants (women, children, monks, hermits, old people, blind, insane)
Islam prohibits suicide:
Suicide is forbidden in Islam: "Whoever commits suicide with a piece of iron will be punished with the same piece of iron in Hell. Whoever commits suicide by throttling shall keep on throttling himself in Hell (forever), and whoever commits suicide by stabbing shall keep on stabbing himself in Hell (forever)."
This is where the fanatics come into play:
Martyrdom is rewarded by an enterance into heaven. When is it accepted? It is accepted only during a Jihad. The Muslim world has not declared a Jihad on anyone, but the fanatics say the West is attacking Muslims.
1) Can't kill women/children 2) Can't commit suicide 3) Martyrdom is accepted
There is a heaven in Islam. Heaven is where everyone is rewarded with luxuries and everything we could ever dream of. Whatever mention of what those pleasures are in heaven is not used in the same sentence/paragraph as ?Martydrom?.
Anyone who says anything otherwise who is not a Muslim is reading incorrect websites and should go ask some local Mosque leader about it.
The only thing people get for martyrdom is 1) No pain 2) Forgiveness of all Sins 3) Entry into heaven. As I said it is only accepted during a Jihad.
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