Leaving the left

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<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/05/22/INGUNCQHKJ1.DTL">Leaving the left
I can no longer abide the simpering voices of self-styled progressives -- people who once championed solidarity</a>

Nightfall, Jan. 30. Eight-million Iraqi voters have finished risking their lives to endorse freedom and defy fascism. Three things happen in rapid succession. The right cheers. The left demurs. I walk away from a long-term intimate relationship. I'm separating not from a person but a cause: the political philosophy that for more than three decades has shaped my character and consciousness, my sense of self and community, even my sense of cosmos.

I'm leaving the left -- more precisely, the American cultural left and what it has become during our time together.

I choose this day for my departure because I can no longer abide the simpering voices of self-styled progressives -- people who once championed solidarity with oppressed populations everywhere -- reciting all the ways Iraq's democratic experiment might yet implode.

My estrangement hasn't happened overnight. Out of the corner of my eye I watched what was coming for more than three decades, yet refused to truly see. Now it's all too obvious. Leading voices in America's "peace" movement are actually cheering against self-determination for a long-suffering Third World country because they hate George W. Bush more than they love freedom.

Like many others who came of age politically in the 1960s, I became adept at not taking the measure of the left's mounting incoherence. To face it directly posed the danger that I would have to describe it accurately, first to myself and then to others. That could only give aid and comfort to Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and all the other Usual Suspects the left so regularly employs to keep from seeing its own reflection in the mirror.

Now, I find myself in a swirling metamorphosis. Think Kafka, without the bug. Think Kuhnian paradigm shift, without the buzz. Every anomaly that didn't fit my perceptual set is suddenly back, all the more glaring for so long ignored. The insistent inner voice I learned to suppress now has my rapt attention. "Something strange -- something approaching pathological -- something entirely of its own making -- has the left in its grip," the voice whispers. "How did this happen?" The Iraqi election is my tipping point. The time has come to walk in a different direction -- just as I did many years before.

I grew up in a northwest Ohio town where conservative was a polite term for reactionary. When Martin Luther King Jr. spoke of Mississippi "sweltering in the heat of oppression," he could have been describing my community, where blacks knew to keep their heads down, and animosity toward Catholics and Jews was unapologetic. Liberal and conservative, like left and right, wouldn't be part of my lexicon for a while, but when King proclaimed, "I have a dream," I instinctively cast my lot with those I later found out were liberals (then synonymous with "the left" and "progressive thought").

The people on the other side were dedicated to preserving my hometown's backward-looking status quo. This was all that my 10-year-old psyche needed to know. The knowledge carried me for a long time. Mythologies are helpful that way.

I began my activist career championing the 1968 presidential candidacies of Robert Kennedy and Eugene McCarthy, because both promised to end America's misadventure in Vietnam. I marched for peace and farm worker justice, lobbied for women's right to choose and environmental protections, signed up with George McGovern in 1972 and got elected as the youngest delegate ever to a Democratic convention.

Eventually I joined the staff of U.S. Sen. Howard Metzenbaum, D-Ohio. In short, I became a card-carrying liberal, although I never actually got a card. (Bookkeeping has never been the left's strong suit.) All my commitments centered on belief in equal opportunity, due process, respect for the dignity of the individual and solidarity with people in trouble. To my mind, Americans who had joined the resistance to Franco's fascist dystopia captured the progressive spirit at its finest.

A turning point came at a dinner party on the day Ronald Reagan famously described the Soviet Union as the pre-eminent source of evil in the modern world. The general tenor of the evening was that Reagan's use of the word "evil" had moved the world closer to annihilation. There was a palpable sense that we might not make it to dessert.

When I casually offered that the surviving relatives of the more than 20 million people murdered on orders of Joseph Stalin might not find "evil'" too strong a word, the room took on a collective bemused smile of the sort you might expect if someone had casually mentioned taking up child molestation for sport.

My progressive companions had a point. It was rude to bring a word like "gulag" to the dinner table.

I look back on that experience as the beginning of my departure from a left already well on its way to losing its bearings. Two decades later, I watched with astonishment as leading left intellectuals launched a telethon- like body count of civilian deaths caused by American soldiers in Afghanistan. Their premise was straightforward, almost giddily so: When the number of civilian Afghani deaths surpassed the carnage of Sept. 11, the war would be unjust, irrespective of other considerations.

Stated simply: The force wielded by democracies in self-defense was declared morally equivalent to the nihilistic aggression perpetuated by Muslim fanatics.

Susan Sontag cleared her throat for the "courage" of the al Qaeda pilots. Norman Mailer pronounced the dead of Sept. 11 comparable to "automobile statistics." The events of that day were likely premeditated by the White House, Gore Vidal insinuated. Noam Chomsky insisted that al Qaeda at its most atrocious generated no terror greater than American foreign policy on a mediocre day.

All of this came back to me as I watched the left's anemic, smirking response to Iraq's election in January. Didn't many of these same people stand up in the sixties for self-rule for oppressed people and against fascism in any guise? Yes, and to their lasting credit. But many had since made clear that they had also changed their minds about the virtues of King's call for equal of opportunity.

These days the postmodern left demands that government and private institutions guarantee equality of outcomes. Any racial or gender "disparities" are to be considered evidence of culpable bias, regardless of factors such as personal motivation, training, and skill. This goal is neither liberal nor progressive; but it is what the left has chosen. In a very real sense it may be the last card held by a movement increasingly ensnared in resentful questing for group-specific rights and the subordination of citizenship to group identity. There's a word for this: pathetic.

I smile when friends tell me I've "moved right." I laugh out loud at what now passes for progressive on the main lines of the cultural left.

In the name of "diversity," the University of Arizona has forbidden discrimination based on "individual style." The University of Connecticut has banned "inappropriately directed laughter." Brown University, sensing unacceptable gray areas, warns that harassment "may be intentional or unintentional and still constitute harassment." (Yes, we're talking "subconscious harassment" here. We're watching your thoughts ...).

Wait, it gets better. When actor Bill Cosby called on black parents to explain to their kids why they are not likely to get into medical school speaking English like "Why you ain't" and "Where you is," Jesse Jackson countered that the time was not yet right to "level the playing field." Why not? Because "drunk people can't do that ... illiterate people can't do that."

When self-styled pragmatic feminist Camille Paglia mocked young coeds who believe "I should be able to get drunk at a fraternity party and go upstairs to a guy's room without anything happening," Susan Estrich spoke up for gender- focused feminists who "would argue that so long as women are powerless relative to men, viewing 'yes' as a sign of true consent is misguided."

I'll admit my politics have shifted in recent years, as have America's political landscape and cultural horizon. Who would have guessed that the U.S. senator with today's best voting record on human rights would be not Ted Kennedy or Barbara Boxer but Kansas Republican Sam Brownback?

He is also by most measures one of the most conservative senators. Brownback speaks openly about how his horror at the genocide in the Sudan is shaped by his Christian faith, as King did when he insisted on justice for "all of God's children."

My larger point is rather simple. Just as a body needs different medicines at different times for different reasons, this also holds for the body politic.

In the sixties, America correctly focused on bringing down walls that prevented equal access and due process. It was time to walk the Founders' talk -- and we did. With barriers to opportunity no longer written into law, today the body politic is crying for different remedies.

America must now focus on creating healthy, self-actualizing individuals committed to taking responsibility for their lives, developing their talents, honing their skills and intellects, fostering emotional and moral intelligence, all in all contributing to the advancement of the human condition.

At the heart of authentic liberalism lies the recognition, in the words of John Gardner, "that the ever renewing society will be a free society (whose] capacity for renewal depends on the individuals who make it up." A continuously renewing society, Gardner believed, is one that seeks to "foster innovative, versatile, and self-renewing men and women and give them room to breathe."

One aspect of my politics hasn't changed a bit. I became a liberal in the first place to break from the repressive group orthodoxies of my reactionary hometown.

This past January, my liberalism was in full throttle when I bid the cultural left goodbye to escape a new version of that oppressiveness. I departed with new clarity about the brilliance of liberal democracy and the value system it entails; the quest for freedom as an intrinsically human affair; and the dangers of demands for conformity and adherence to any point of view through silence, fear, or coercion.

True, it took a while to see what was right before my eyes. A certain misplaced loyalty kept me from grasping that a view of individuals as morally capable of and responsible for making the principle decisions that shape their lives is decisively at odds with the contemporary left's entrance-level view of people as passive and helpless victims of powerful external forces, hence political wards who require the continuous shepherding of caretaker elites.

Leftists who no longer speak of the duties of citizens, but only of the rights of clients, cannot be expected to grasp the importance (not least to our survival) of fostering in the Middle East the crucial developmental advances that gave rise to our own capacity for pluralism, self-reflection, and equality. A left averse to making common cause with competent, self- determining individuals -- people who guide their lives on the basis of received values, everyday moral understandings, traditional wisdom, and plain common sense -- is a faction that deserves the marginalization it has pursued with such tenacity for so many years.

All of which is why I have come to believe, and gladly join with others who have discovered for themselves, that the single most important thing a genuinely liberal person can do now is walk away from the house the left has built. The renewal of any tradition that deserves the name "progressive" becomes more likely with each step in a better direction.

As noted by the topic summary - I can respect a leftist like this man. He is a Liberal and can explain why. He sees principle as something to cling to which seems to be lost on the new age liberals.
It's good to see some are breaking out of their shell and joining the rest of us in reality, I just wish more of them would(for their own sake).

CsG
 

conjur

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HUGE difference in what he terms "leftists" versus what's controlling our country right now (as described in the I Used To Be A Neocon article I posted.)

Your writer references individuals who have no say in U.S. foreign or domestic policy. The same cannot be said of the PNAC bastards running this country into debt over lies. Your writer is distancing himself from the politically correct (which I would have to agree) but he's bought into the propaganda that the U.S. is here to help poor, suffering Iraq.
 

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Originally posted by: conjur
HUGE difference in what he terms "leftists" versus what's controlling our country right now (as described in the I Used To Be A Neocon article I posted.)

Your writer references individuals who have no say in U.S. foreign or domestic policy. The same cannot be said of the PNAC bastards running this country into debt over lies. Your writer is distancing himself from the politically correct (which I would have to agree) but he's bought into the propaganda that the U.S. is here to help poor, suffering Iraq.

Your's isn't about PNAC - it's about being a "neocon" and this thread is not about your thread. :)

CsG
 

conjur

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Yeah...you didn't post the article in retort to mine? HA! You already have it in your sig. Why create a thread on it?

:roll:



And, yes, my thread, at the root level, is about realizing the danger the PNAC has waged with its influence on our foreign policy.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: conjur
Yeah...you didn't post the article in retort to mine? HA! You already have it in your sig. Why create a thread on it?
:roll:
And, yes, my thread, at the root level, is about realizing the danger the PNAC has waged with its influence on our foreign policy.

I felt like posting it. Tough shiz.

Nice cover on the "root level" BS but it doesn't fly. Now back to your thread unless you have something about my respect for this Liberal or his "awakening" :D

CsG
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Yeah...you didn't post the article in retort to mine? HA! You already have it in your sig. Why create a thread on it?
:roll:
And, yes, my thread, at the root level, is about realizing the danger the PNAC has waged with its influence on our foreign policy.
I felt like posting it. Tough shiz.

Nice cover on the "root level" BS but it doesn't fly. Now back to your thread unless you have something about my respect for this Liberal or his "awakening" :D

CsG
I've already posted my opinion on this "awakening". You just managed to avoid discussing it.
 

KK

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Cad, I was in the same boat as the writer of this article, but for the life of me, I can't prove it. Go figure.

;)
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Yeah...you didn't post the article in retort to mine? HA! You already have it in your sig. Why create a thread on it?
:roll:
And, yes, my thread, at the root level, is about realizing the danger the PNAC has waged with its influence on our foreign policy.
I felt like posting it. Tough shiz.

Nice cover on the "root level" BS but it doesn't fly. Now back to your thread unless you have something about my respect for this Liberal or his "awakening" :D

CsG
I've already posted my opinion on this "awakening". You just managed to avoid discussing it.

Nothing to discuss. You can have your ill-informed opinion:D.

CsG
 

conjur

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HA! Because I saw that this guy is comparing individuals on the left (with no say in the Democratic party) to an entire political party on the right? :roll:
 
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I've finally come to the realization that there are few true lefties or liberals today. What we see in here and other places are not lefties or liberals in the classical sense or of old, as those types rarely exist anymore. What we have today are the "Aunties." Anti-right, anti-conservative, anti-Bush, anti-war, anti-big business, anti-capitalism. anti-etc.

Aunties. and that will be my new term for them because it's just so correctly descriptive of their actions and behavior.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I've finally come to the realization that there are few true lefties or liberals today. What we see in here and other places are not lefties or liberals in the classical sense or of old, as those types rarely exist anymore. What we have today are the "Aunties." Anti-right, anti-conservative, anti-Bush, anti-war, anti-big business, anti-capitalism. anti-etc.

Aunties. and that will be my new term for them because it's just so correctly descriptive of their actions and behavior.

Yep, because we are angry at the Anti-American Republicans as they destroy the Country.

 
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I've finally come to the realization that there are few true lefties or liberals today. What we see in here and other places are not lefties or liberals in the classical sense or of old, as those types rarely exist anymore. What we have today are the "Aunties." Anti-right, anti-conservative, anti-Bush, anti-war, anti-big business, anti-capitalism. anti-etc.

Aunties. and that will be my new term for them because it's just so correctly descriptive of their actions and behavior.

Yep, because we are angry at the Anti-American Republicans as they destroy the Country.
Thanks for your commentary, Auntie Dave. ;)
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I've finally come to the realization that there are few true lefties or liberals today. What we see in here and other places are not lefties or liberals in the classical sense or of old, as those types rarely exist anymore. What we have today are the "Aunties." Anti-right, anti-conservative, anti-Bush, anti-war, anti-big business, anti-capitalism. anti-etc.

Aunties. and that will be my new term for them because it's just so correctly descriptive of their actions and behavior.

:thumbsup::laugh:

CsG
 

Darthvoy

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I've finally come to the realization that there are few true lefties or liberals today. What we see in here and other places are not lefties or liberals in the classical sense or of old, as those types rarely exist anymore. What we have today are the "Aunties." Anti-right, anti-conservative, anti-Bush, anti-war, anti-big business, anti-capitalism. anti-etc.

Aunties. and that will be my new term for them because it's just so correctly descriptive of their actions and behavior.

Yup...just like there aren't any real conservatives and anymore...sad but true.
 

Mursilis

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Interesting article; Christopher Hitchins says pretty much the same thing.

Originally posted by: conjur
Your writer is distancing himself from the politically correct (which I would have to agree) but he's bought into the propaganda that the U.S. is here to help poor, suffering Iraq.

The idea is hardly far-fetched; are not Germany and Japan self-autonomous nations? Do Canadians endure sleepless nights, wondering when the U.S. Army is going to roll in and seize Toronto? Regardless of whether the Iraq war was a good idea (and I never said it was), it's entirely possible the Iraqi people will be better off as a result of it.
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: Darthvoy
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I've finally come to the realization that there are few true lefties or liberals today. What we see in here and other places are not lefties or liberals in the classical sense or of old, as those types rarely exist anymore. What we have today are the "Aunties." Anti-right, anti-conservative, anti-Bush, anti-war, anti-big business, anti-capitalism. anti-etc.

Aunties. and that will be my new term for them because it's just so correctly descriptive of their actions and behavior.

Yup...just like there aren't any real conservatives and anymore...sad but true.

In a lot of ways, that's sadly true. Of course true conservatives, like true libertarians, are completely unelectable; the populace with mouth the small government line when it's convenient, but too many people want and are dependent on generous government benefits to actually support a true conservative. Of course, no one wants to pay for all these benefits, either; hence, deficits. And despite whatever you people believe, it's not going to change when the Dems return to power. They lost in '94 due to tax increases, and they've either learned their lesson since then, or they're going back to minority status pretty quick.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Mursilis
Interesting article; Christopher Hitchins says pretty much the same thing.

Originally posted by: conjur
Your writer is distancing himself from the politically correct (which I would have to agree) but he's bought into the propaganda that the U.S. is here to help poor, suffering Iraq.

The idea is hardly far-fetched; are not Germany and Japan self-autonomous nations? Do Canadians endure sleepless nights, wondering when the U.S. Army is going to roll in and seize Toronto? Regardless of whether the Iraq war was a good idea (and I never said it was), it's entirely possible the Iraqi people will be better off as a result of it.
It's possible, yes. Will it be due to the US invasion? No. It will be in spite of it.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I've finally come to the realization that there are few true lefties or liberals today. What we see in here and other places are not lefties or liberals in the classical sense or of old, as those types rarely exist anymore. What we have today are the "Aunties." Anti-right, anti-conservative, anti-Bush, anti-war, anti-big business, anti-capitalism. anti-etc.

Aunties. and that will be my new term for them because it's just so correctly descriptive of their actions and behavior.

That sums it up pretty good. I cant think of many liberals who resemble JFK, a man I respect.

 

totalcommand

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I've finally come to the realization that there are few true lefties or liberals today. What we see in here and other places are not lefties or liberals in the classical sense or of old, as those types rarely exist anymore. What we have today are the "Aunties." Anti-right, anti-conservative, anti-Bush, anti-war, anti-big business, anti-capitalism. anti-etc.

Aunties. and that will be my new term for them because it's just so correctly descriptive of their actions and behavior.

Yep, because we are angry at the Anti-American Republicans as they destroy the Country.

I'm a self-described liberal, and I'd have to agree with them here. When I look at the democratic party, I see a party of no ideas. They are anti everything, completely reactionary. What they need is something like "Contract for (really Contract on) America", they need IDEAS.

I was excited when Dean got elected the leader, but then he just started his anti-Bush, anti-Tom DeLay, etc.

GODDAMMIT GIVE AT LEAST ONE IDEA YOU STUPID DEMOCRATS.

The closest I've seen is a weak SS proposal. And it was really weak.
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I've finally come to the realization that there are few true lefties or liberals today. What we see in here and other places are not lefties or liberals in the classical sense or of old, as those types rarely exist anymore. What we have today are the "Aunties." Anti-right, anti-conservative, anti-Bush, anti-war, anti-big business, anti-capitalism. anti-etc.

Aunties. and that will be my new term for them because it's just so correctly descriptive of their actions and behavior.

Yep, because we are angry at the Anti-American Republicans as they destroy the Country.

I'm a self-described liberal, and I'd have to agree with them here. When I look at the democratic party, I see a party of no ideas. They are anti everything, completely reactionary. What they need is something like "Contract for (really Contract on) America", they need IDEAS.

I was excited when Dean got elected the leader, but then he just started his anti-Bush, anti-Tom DeLay, etc.

GODDAMMIT GIVE AT LEAST ONE IDEA YOU STUPID DEMOCRATS.

The closest I've seen is a weak SS proposal. And it was really weak.

I agree... but when you're the minority party, what's the point of proposing ideas that will just get voted down on partisan lines no matter how good they are?
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Interesting article; Christopher Hitchins says pretty much the same thing.

Originally posted by: conjur
Your writer is distancing himself from the politically correct (which I would have to agree) but he's bought into the propaganda that the U.S. is here to help poor, suffering Iraq.

The idea is hardly far-fetched; are not Germany and Japan self-autonomous nations? Do Canadians endure sleepless nights, wondering when the U.S. Army is going to roll in and seize Toronto? Regardless of whether the Iraq war was a good idea (and I never said it was), it's entirely possible the Iraqi people will be better off as a result of it.
It's possible, yes. Will it be due to the US invasion? No. It will be in spite of it.

I do not see how you can say that. But for the U.S. invasion, Saddam Hussein and this Ba'athist thugs would still be in charge, and he would likely have been followed by his even more scary sons. How would that have changed without outside action?
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: loki8481
I agree... but when you're the minority party, what's the point of proposing ideas that will just get voted down on partisan lines no matter how good they are?

Proposing something at least gives you something on which to run. Besides, a great idea develops political force of its own, and the majority party would ignore that force at its own peril. Politicians ultimately serve themselves, not a party, and aren't immune to shifting political winds. A minority party isn't without power.
 

judasmachine

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perhaps there will be enough defectors from the left as to balance out the republican party, and bring it back towards the center. that way i can live with them.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Interesting article; Christopher Hitchins says pretty much the same thing.

Originally posted by: conjur
Your writer is distancing himself from the politically correct (which I would have to agree) but he's bought into the propaganda that the U.S. is here to help poor, suffering Iraq.

The idea is hardly far-fetched; are not Germany and Japan self-autonomous nations? Do Canadians endure sleepless nights, wondering when the U.S. Army is going to roll in and seize Toronto? Regardless of whether the Iraq war was a good idea (and I never said it was), it's entirely possible the Iraqi people will be better off as a result of it.
It's possible, yes. Will it be due to the US invasion? No. It will be in spite of it.
I do not see how you can say that. But for the U.S. invasion, Saddam Hussein and this Ba'athist thugs would still be in charge, and he would likely have been followed by his even more scary sons. How would that have changed without outside action?
A full-scale invasion was not required. Besides, what has history shown us? Intervening in a situation that was the result of a prior intervention typically has the opposite desired effect.