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Leave the land...it will bring peace!

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RichardE

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Palestinian Connection
Sunday, September 11, 2005
?Today Gaza and Tomorrow Jerusalem?
Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei told thousands of Palestinian troops in Gaza that Israel?s withdrawal from Gaza is only the first step in bringing about the establishment of a Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital.

?We are telling the entire world?today Gaza and tomorrow an independent Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital.?

Qurei said the goal of the Palestinian people has always been a state of their own and the ?right of return? of millions of ?refugees? who will flood Israel and destroy the Jewish state.

America?s Fox News reported that the Palestinian Authority spent $1.7 million, paid for by the UN, on posters, fliers and bumper stickers that read, Today Gaza, Tomorrow Jerusalem.
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Here is some more..

Abbas to Palestinians: Today Gaza, Tomorrow Jerusalem Agencies

Arab News, GAZA CITY, 13 August 2005 ?

Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas vowed yesterday the Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza Strip marked a huge step in his people?s quest for an independent state, with a capital in Jerusalem.

?Today Gaza and tomorrow Jerusalem if God wills it,? Abbas told a demonstration, attended by thousands, on Gaza City?s Mediterranean coastline.

?Today, our march to freedom begins. Tomorrow, it will be Jenin?s turn and after that Jerusalem,? Abbas told the crowd at the gathering, called ?the Festival of Victory and Freedom.? The crowd roared back Abbas? popular name: ?Abu Mazen, Abu Mazen?.

The Israeli Army?s evacuation of 8,000 Jewish settlers from the Gaza Strip is due to begin Monday, followed by the dismantlement of four Jewish settlements near Jenin in the northern West Bank.

The withdrawal has launched a period of political jockeying between Abbas and his political rivals, Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

Abbas said the departure of the Israelis from Gaza offered the Palestinian people ?a point of departure for the creation of a Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital?.

In his address delivered at a small fishing port in Gaza City, he said: ?Today we are beginning the march of the fishermen toward freedom. Soon you will be able to fish along the whole coast of Palestine.?

During a speech earlier this week before the Parliament, Abbas urged the Palestinian people to ensure the pullout took place free of violence in order to bolster their case for independence.

Meanwhile, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon raised the prospect yesterday that Israel could eventually uproot more settlements on occupied land after it evacuates its enclaves in Gaza and a pocket of the West Bank in coming weeks. Sharon, in an interview with the newspaper Yediot Aharonot, reiterated that his ?disengagement plan? was meant to strengthen Israel?s hold on West Bank settlement blocs, which it intends to keep under any future peace deal with Palestinians.

However, asked about the fate of some of the more isolated West Bank settlements, Sharon said: ?Not everything will remain. That issue will be raised during the final stage of negotiations with the Palestinians.? With five days to go before the start of Israel?s eviction of Gaza settlers, Sharon?s comments hinted at a softening of his stance against further withdrawals.

In the face of fierce rightist opposition to his pullout plan, Sharon had recently insisted he has no intention of giving up any more settlements beyond the 21 in Gaza and four of 120 in the West Bank already scheduled for evacuation.
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Yes this is the peace we dream of. Israel withdraws from the Gaza for peace, and now they want more and want to destroy Israel. So where is the peace I ask you? Specially those of you who continue to troll every thread saying that as long as Israel leaves peace will follow. You question why Israel needs to defend herself, it is because this is the mindset of the people around it. They do not want peace, they want the death of Israel and everyone who lives there.
 
Originally posted by: Aimster
Palestinians want their land back and to become a state.

That is not so hard to understand.
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The landmine is the "right of return". Seems like an innocent demand at first, it's not so innocent when you get to know the involved parties. Tipping over the demographic balance in Israel would essentially be its demise.

The right thing for everybody, and the solution sparing most human lives, IMHO would be forming a Palestinian state, which includes non-disputed (i.e. '49 lines) territories that are currently mostly inhabited by Israel Arabs - their double game of enjoying all the good Israel has to offer them but still siding with the Palestinians (Or Hizbullah, as can be seen these days) has to end.


 
Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Originally posted by: Aimster
Palestinians want their land back and to become a state.

That is not so hard to understand.
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The landmine is the "right of return". Seems like an innocent demand at first, it's not so innocent when you get to know the involved parties. Tipping over the demographic balance in Israel would essentially be its demise.
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gee maybe they should have thought about that back in 1947 before they pitched the Israel tent in an area which was 90% Muslim or Christian. 😉
 
Maybe so, but you have to make the most out of the current situation, and do you have ANYONE in here - other than those who already do so - that would agree to live under a Muslim majority?
 
Originally posted by: Aimster
Palestinians want their land back and to become a state.

That is not so hard to understand.
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Of course, neither is is hard to understand that Israel wants its land back and to make it a state. What is hard to understand is the Arabs who preached that they wanted a withdraw of the Gaza for peace, than turn around and stab Israel in the back as they ask for more.
 
Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Maybe so, but you have to make the most out of the current situation, and do you have ANYONE in here - other than those who already do so - that would agree to live under a Muslim majority?
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You mean who would like to live in an arab dictatorship that is often supported directly or indirectly the USA? Most likely no one, including me, an Arab Muslim, wants to live in a dictatorship...arab or otherwise.

Other than that, it doesn't sound like places like Indonesia are all too bad. Yeah they have their problems, but nothing that seems out of the ordinary that other countries have to deal with (Thinking of Japanese cult who attacked a subway, or the past with the IRA issue, or our David Koresh vigilantes...so as long as you keep them under control things are okay).

So please don't confuse a dicatorship with living in a "muslim majority" country. Many of us Muslims come to places like the USA so we can escape those dicatorships and sick conditions while still practicing our religion.
 
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Aimster
Palestinians want their land back and to become a state.

That is not so hard to understand.
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Of course, neither is is hard to understand that Israel wants its land back and to make it a state. What is hard to understand is the Arabs who preached that they wanted a withdraw of the Gaza for peace, than turn around and stab Israel in the back as they ask for more.
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See it from the Palestinian (or ARab, call it what you want. The people who lived there) side: ISreal keeps saying it wants peace, yet they keep building settlements and expanding them constantly. They "pull out of Gaza" but how many hundred thousand are in West Bank? How many Isreali controlled roads fragment the actual Palestinian land? From the Palestinian point of view, Israel is saying one thing and then stabbing them in the back by taking the land and pushing them out to the sea...

And if you look at the buildup of settlements even since the Oslo Accords its incredibly disturbing what you can find!

So it isn't just one POV RichardE~
 
It truly bothers me that anyone thinks that if pushed hard enough Israel will back down. Israel without any doubt will use the "atomic option" if they feel they have no other choice. Neither the US or anyone else will sway them if they believe that is the course to take. Then there will be peace in the region at least for the half-life of uranium.
 
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