Least propriatary most ATX like prebuilt?

RavenTai

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My 12yo son has a $500 scholarship for a desktop, we buy it and the scholarship will reimburse us, we are going to put a bit on top, budget is $600 to $700 I cant buy components its got to be a "desktop computer" I haven't bought a pre-build since the 90's, and I really don't like what I am seeing. I have hand me down monitor and peripherals for him

Obviously with this budget this is going to be a low spec computer, my thought was to get him into a starter that we can upgrade over time as budget or hand me down components allow. problem is most prebuild seem to be completely proprietary formats, motherboard I/O shield cut directly into the case, odd motherboard size formats, non ATX power supplies, tiny cramped cases ETC ETC, pretty much makes them disposable appliances with no upgrade path.

for instance fist we would probably save up for a decent vid card for him, that would surely require upgrading the barely enough stock power supply, if its not standard its going to be very limiting if we cant just grab a standard Seasonic or Corsair ATX power supply, even worse if the motherboard uses a non standard 10 pin power connector instead of standard 24 pin. also his computer would probably benefit from my take-offs if it can accept them, makes upgrading my stuff make more sense.

later we may want to upgrade his CPU, often this means a new motherboard, would be nice to re-use the power supply and graphics card we got previously, if the case wont take another motherboard because the I/O shield is fixed in the case now we need a new case also.

So who makes prebuilds with standard ATX components a roomy case that can take to upgrades down the road?
 

mikeymikec

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I'd suggest looking for a small PC repair shop that is willing to build one. If you were in the UK I'd offer my services.
 

RavenTai

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I'd suggest looking for a small PC repair shop that is willing to build one. If you were in the UK I'd offer my services.


Solid suggestion thank you, there is one shop in my small town, they are more business service oriented, installs and maintenance but after reading your post I gave them a call and they are bringing in something from another location for me to look at tomorrow. specs are pretty low but so is the budget, Pentium gold, exact model unknown as of yet, 8 gigs of ram, small SSD, supposedly the case can take up to a full ATX board.
 

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If a shop builds the system for you, they may give you some say-so in the components and then bill it up as a standalone system if you ask them. Let them know you want to ensure future upgrades to the extent possible within your budget and see what they can do for you, especially if you tell them what you are buying it for.

If they give you a choice, try to stick with AMD processors (maybe low end with integrated graphics like a Ryzen 3 3200G for price) running on an AM4 socketed motherboard. Those boards (especially the mid-range B450-based boards) will run an incredible range of AMD CPUs from low end to high end 3950X (and maybe even upcoming Ryzen 4000's) simply with a BIOS upgrade. To do similarly on the Intel side, you'd want to make sure the motherboard is a Socket 1151 300 series board.
 

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I wish they could, 3200G to later 3600 and a mid range vid card would be a great upgrade path for him, but this is a primarily beuisnes service shop, they service businesses with networking, printers, whole systems and repairs, they don't stock much in the way of enthusiasts components. they would devalue before they could sell them, small town,
 

mikeymikec

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I'm typically building average-user PCs with B450s and 3200Gs. Normally I'd throw in a decent bronze-certified 300W PSU but if you're thinking of eventually getting a better graphics card for same gaming then you may want to look at decent 500-700W PSUs.

I don't stock any build components, I order them in on demand: who knows whether I'll get three PC builds in a month or go a few months without building one.
 

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With a $700 budget, and needing a prebuilt, I'd go system integrator. Something like this - https://www.bestbuy.com/site/cyberp...lid-state-drive-black/6377561.p?skuId=6377561 Best Buy near you can probably shipped it free and be at your door step in a day or 2.

While they use low end parts, they are off the shelf parts. A Ryzen1400 and RX560 can do some 1080p gaming when he is done studying too. You can add another stick of ram for dual channel, and a cheap spinner for a game folder, and still make that $700 budget. The only CyberPower I have seen lately, had an Apevia PSU. But after looking around, it was a rebadged Andyson, that jonnyGURU said was pretty decent for what it is. It also uses the Phanteks Eclipse p350x case, so upgrades are not a problem -

 

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With a $700 budget, and needing a prebuilt, I'd go system integrator. Something like this - https://www.bestbuy.com/site/cyberp...lid-state-drive-black/6377561.p?skuId=6377561 Best Buy near you can probably shipped it free and be at your door step in a day or 2.

While they use low end parts, they are off the shelf parts. A Ryzen1400 and RX560 can do some 1080p gaming when he is done studying too. You can add another stick of ram for dual channel, and a cheap spinner for a game folder, and still make that $700 budget. The only CyberPower I have seen lately, had an Apevia PSU. But after looking around, it was a rebadged Andyson, that jonnyGURU said was pretty decent for what it is. It also uses the Phanteks Eclipse p350x case, so upgrades are not a problem -



OP is in the United Kingdom, so shipping from Best Buy would probably be...prohibitive at best. Otherwise, I agree with everything you said.

I was looking, and noticed that Newegg offers service to the UK. It might be worth looking at what is available there to see if they might have a complete system in budget.

https://www.newegg.com/global/uk-en/

EDIT: accounting for the currency conversions and VAT, most of the stuff on the Newegg UK site is way overpriced.
 
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OP is in the United Kingdom, so shipping from Best Buy would probably be...prohibitive at best. Otherwise, I agree with everything you said.

I was looking, and noticed that Newegg offers service to the UK. It might be worth looking at what is available there to see if they might have a complete system in budget.

https://www.newegg.com/global/uk-en/

EDIT: accounting for the currency conversions and VAT, most of the stuff on the Newegg UK site is way overpriced.
What am I missing? Mikey is in the U.K. not OP?
 

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Upgrade path is hardly going to matter if the boy can't use its full capability by the time new tech pops out. I mean, it's possible this could be just a porn box.

Buy a Dell G5 and be done with it.


$680 for the cheapest. Yes, there are going to be compromises. You can change to a 128GB SSD+1TB spinner or to a 256GB SSD for no change in cost.

Does the scholarship require a new item or can refurb/open-box/etc count?

You can use a cashback site like BeFrugal or Mrrebates to get some money back.
 

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Larry, he has not been back since the 7th, you late bro. :p