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Leasing deal - 2014 Subaru Forester & 2014 Honda CRV

TangoJuliet

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I had created a thread a couple weeks back about trading in my Odyssey to get a SUV. Plans have changed and I think it may be time to get rid of my Jetta.

The dealership is hosing me on the trade: $4,000 for a 2007 Wolfsberg Jetta with 90,000 miles. KBB is saying the trade in should be around $4,800-5,700 depending on the condition.

What I am looking at is a Subaru Forester 2.5i Limited
The lease that was offered was:
36 mo / 36,000 $266 per month

If I traded the VW in at $4k I would need an addition $1100 at signing for taxes, etc

If I sell the car privately and have $5500 at signing it would be the same $266/m

Should I see if they would give me $5100-5600 as the trade so that I pay zero at signing? Is that a good move or am I being hosed?
 
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Dealership isn't going to match KBB. You'll get more selling privately, but going through the dealership will save you the time and hassle of trying to find a buyer who's going to low ball and haggle you anyway.

I would think ~$1000 wouldn't be a big deal to them to make a sale. Have you tried negotiation yet?
 
I just wouldn't lease a subaru, residuals are horrible. I was looking at leasing an Outback. Anything other than 0 down no a lease is bad. If you can't afford 0 down payments every month, you couldn't really afford the car, and if the car gets totaled early in life you've lost all the cash down on the insurance payout with the 20% depreciation. Paying 6K down essentially leaves you at 16.5K for the lease. duration. There's better deals out there if you can let go of the AWD. Ford Escape Titanium loaded to the gills is like 350$ a month, 0 down. Better interior than the Forester.
 
Dealership isn't going to match KBB. You'll get more selling privately, but going through the dealership will save you the time and hassle of trying to find a buyer who's going to low ball and haggle you anyway.

I would think ~$1000 wouldn't be a big deal to them to make a sale. Have you tried negotiation yet?

Those numbers were the low end of the KBB range of fair and good conditions. I know I can sell it for $6000+ but I really don't want to deal with CL losers.

I haven't started to negotiate yet because I'm waiting to see what the service repairs are going to cost. If they're going to be $1000+ then I'll probably move forward with something new. If the repairs are covered under warranty (previous issue) or not too expensive I'll just keep it and continue with the original plan to get something new when I turn the van in.

Hopefully this makes sense.....I'm on my phone
 
$5500 down and $266 a month? That means you are paying $150/mo more when factoring in that money, so really it's $416/mo. That's a terrible deal. You could get a 320xi lease for less than that.
 
$5500 down and $266 a month? That means you are paying $150/mo more when factoring in that money, so really it's $416/mo. That's a terrible deal. You could get a 320xi lease for less than that.

The $5500 includes tax, tags and title. So really it's $4400 down and the rest goes towards the tax & fees. So it would be roughly $388/m with $0 down
 
If you go in assuming that the deals on the manufacturer site are the end-all then you are going to be eaten alive by dealers. You have to research them and figure out what companies subsidize leases. BMW does, GM does, Chrysler does. Look at an Audi lease versus BMW and you will be shocked at the difference in price.

TTL is still due regardless of whether it's a trade-in or out of pocket, no?

I just perused a BMW forum and found a lease that someone from NJ got:

2014 320i xDrive
MSRP$37,725
Negotiate price $32,998 (with $500 holiday cash only, no other incentives)
Monthly payment $269
Due at sign $4,036 (First pmt $269, MSD $2100, Tax upfront $743, Bank fee $725 and Doc fee $200)

MSD is a refundable Security Deposit, so his DP was actually about $1900. With BMW adding MSDs lowers your interest rate, he will get that money back at lease end.

Regardless, that was just a quick check. I know Cadillac is (was?) doing the exact same thing for the ATS 2.0, could get get them under $300/mo with 0 down, not even the first month's payment was due.
 
Phew, disaster adverted! Repair bill came out to $23. I can keep this car a little longer and probably look into getting something new later next year. Thanks for the replies guys - I appreciate it!
 
Phew, disaster adverted! Repair bill came out to $23. I can keep this car a little longer and probably look into getting something new later next year. Thanks for the replies guys - I appreciate it!

If you know the leasing game, it's not a bad way to go. I did it for 10 years. My mileage now exceeds the typical 12,000-mile yearly mileage restriction, so it was more cost-effective to purchase the vehicle rather than pay for more miles. But anyway, tack on about $35 to any price they give you for rolling in state taxes, title, registration, and other misc. fees. So that $266 would really be around $301/mo. Plus most companies have a "return fee" called a disposition fee of around $400, which is more than a monthly car payment on lease.

The nice thing about doing a trade-in, other than the fact that they will manipulate the numbers and give you far less than it's worth, is that you can simply trade keys & be done with it. No dealing with weirdos from Craigslist, no sitting for sale for weeks or months waiting for someone to bite, no paperwork hassles. I didn't get squat on my Volvo trade-in, but it was having transmission problems & had nearly 200k miles on it, so I was happy to just get it off my back.

I will say that other than Saturn, Honda has actually been my favorite place to lease from. They handle GAP insurance, you can do no down payment, no first month's payment (35 months), no return fee, and several hundred dollars of minor damage coverage included. And if you do have more damage or go over miles (which is typically between 10 to 25 cents per mile, which can kill you on a lease turn-in), they usually wave it if you lease another Honda. Our Honda Fit had 40k miles on a 36k lease plus tons of unremovable stains from baby formula & juice and they said no problem since we got a new lease on a Civic. Cake.

Never, ever, ever put a down payment on a lease. It's just insta-money for the dealership. Calculate your monthly rate if you don't do a down payment. There's some good eBooks on how all the dealership garbage works; also be sure to check out Carwoo & Truecar if you're every looking again, as well as USAA & AAA's car-buying services, the Swapalease & Leasetrader websites, etc. Lots of resources out there.

And if you're not tied to brand, check out other lease deals. Like heymrdj said, Ford has some really good deals going on (with AWD available). Lease deals on similar cars can vary by as much as $100 a month based on the incentives available. That's the deal I worked with my first Kia Soul - they wanted $330 a month for a lease on a fully-loaded model; my wife had just picked up a Honda Fit for like $234/mo, so I showed them the numbers and they were able to match it. There's a lot of leeway if you're willing to play the game, but certain places like Subaru might be a little harder to work with.

And even from dealer to dealer it changes - I was really interested in a Nissan Altima and the first dealer wouldn't budge below $300, so I walked, and the second dealer dropped it by like $70 a month. Ridiculous. But after looking at my mileage requirements, I ended up picking up the car I really wanted (stick-shift Kia Soul) for a better monthly price on a basic bank loan. Also, there's plenty of great ebooks out on there on leasing & buying and how the dealerships work on the inside - the little shell games they play and whatnot, so if you're armed going in, you won't be in for any surprises, you know?

Glad you got your car fixed for cheap too, that's always a bonus :biggrin:
 
I called over to a couple honda dealerships and inquired about getting out of my van lease which has 11 months left. All of them said there are zero early termination fees if I get a new honda.

I'm here now at the dealership to find out how much "equity" I have in the van and what I can roll that into a CRV.

I'll post the numbers and let you guys decide.

Edit: I'm not sure if this is a scam or something they all say but the 2012 odyssey is in high demand and they just want to buy it out.
 
I'd guess they're pretty sure they can turn around and sell the van no problem, and then they make a decent bit of money when you start your new lease.
 
Wow, that dealership seemed scammy.

The offered me a 2014 CRV EX-L AWD for $399/m with zero down or $349/m with around $2200 down. That was including trading in the van.

I told the guy I was only paying $295 for the van so those numbers didn't really make sense for me to downsize.
 
Wow, that dealership seemed scammy.

The offered me a 2014 CRV EX-L AWD for $399/m with zero down or $349/m with around $2200 down. That was including trading in the van.

I told the guy I was only paying $295 for the van so those numbers didn't really make sense for me to downsize.

It's part of the game. If you're paying $295/mo now and have 11 months left, then they have to eat about $3200 - sure, they'll "buy" it off you, and then put that right back into your monthly payment - suddenly your CRV is BMW-lease money. And really for $400 a month, why not just buy the car, you know?
 
It's part of the game. If you're paying $295/mo now and have 11 months left, then they have to eat about $3200 - sure, they'll "buy" it off you, and then put that right back into your monthly payment - suddenly your CRV is BMW-lease money. And really for $400 a month, why not just buy the car, you know?

Yeah I understand that - but if the car is worth $30k and I owe $22k then I do have $4800 ($8k-$3.2k) of "equity" in the vehicle. The offer I got basically wiped out any and all equity I had in the vehicle. Thats what I told the guy and said there is really no incentive to do it.

What really was funny was when I told him that I had been looking at the Forester. He was telling me that the CRV gets better gas mileage, etc etc. I think that was the point where I stopped listening and walked.

Oh my God, the dealer was scammy! Call the news reporter!!

That really wasn't my point. The dealership had this room off to the side that had a couple of girls in it. I heard them giggling and stuff. I peeked over and out of nowhere a man appeared. He introduced himself as the owner and was going on and on about how he couldnt figure out how to send a picture with his iPhone. It was just a strange place.
 
So I got one of those letters in the mail that was "promising to pay the highest price around because your van is in high demand!!"in the mail from a nearby dealership.

Their offer wasn't that bad: $349/m nothing out of pocket for a 39 month lease. I told them that it was a fair offer but it just didn't make sense for me to do it. Thats when the high pressure team checked in - they asked me what payment number I was looking for, offered to lower the payment with cash up front. They took my credit card to run a "credit check" but when the manager came back she told me it was using it as reserve fee.

As I was about to leave the manager says - here is our final offer $2000 down and $325/m!
I said the $349/m with zero down was a better deal and walked.
 
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