Learning Disability? Sorry low incomer's

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Interesting article about not having to the means to sue your district to get what our government said you will almost 50 years ago.

Raising a son with learning disabilities, this article hit close to home for me.
 
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I am more surprised that NYC schools cannot handle a relatively common learning disability.

Public schools aren't typically equipped to teach to a small percentage of children who require a completely different method of teaching. And that method can change depending on what type of dyslexia the student has.

Dyslexia is easily misdiagnosed or overlooked, and requires relatively expensive testing and evaluation to properly identify, which school districts are often reluctant to fund. And when I say reluctant, i mean a school district may be inclined to go as far as outright lying to parents.

It's easily misdiagnosed because there's other symptoms that often go along with it. ADHD being very common. Behavioral problems are a common symptom as well, and for trusting parents the underlying issue may go undiagnosed for a long time. This can go as far as medicating children for behavioral issues where dyslexia is the root cause.

Lastly, schools or programs designed for dyslexic children aren't common place, and are much more costly for school districts, further fueling a districts reluctance to properly handle students who struggle in a typical classroom setting.

Parents of even middle class income can struggle to afford the testing to diagnose learning disabilities, the lawyer, time off from work to attend meetings in the middle of the day, or educational advocate to get the district to provide the help the student needs.
 
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I am more surprised that NYC schools cannot handle a relatively common learning disability.
It's too hard for your average elementary teacher to diagnose. Well trained reading specialists have some diagnostic tools to identify Dyslexia. Even then, most reading teachers do not have the time to give such students the amount of instruction needed to make the continuous progress in reading levels and grade level teachers are too overwhelmed make enough time for individualized instruction. That leave privates schools that use something like an Orton-Gillingham instructional model. The move away from "specialized" schools, to provided better social experiences and integration, definitely disadvantes some student groups. Anyway, that's the way it is in NH - don't know about NYC.
 

Atreus21

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What we need is government to step in to force government to step in like it said it would.
 

GodisanAtheist

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What we need is government to step in to force government to step in like it said it would.

- Well, yeah. Kinda the entire point of the division of powers within our government.

Your own quote describes the consequences of letting the "common man" handle these sorts of problems remarkably well...

"Socialist revolutions have a peculiar habit of beginning with a man in a work shirt and ending up with a man dressed like Cap’n Crunch." - Kevin Williamson
 

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Yeah, why isn't the DOEd doing their job?

My personal experience with the DOE was pretty good. They aren't out there prying into everything, if you open a case with them, they're ready to roll.
 

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What’s more, if your kid is eligible for college, now Trump and Betsy want to get rid of student loan interest tax deductions, public student loan forgiveness and subsidized loans for low income students. College should be for rich people!
 

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Interesting article about not having to the means to sue your district to get what our government said you will almost 50 years ago.

Raising a son with learning disabilities, this article hit close to home for me.

A neighbor's son is on the spectrum, and they had a lot of trouble with the local schools in providing an appropriate learning curriculum, and they were some of the top schools in the state.

They ended up having to sue to be able to get tuition for a specialized school.

Was not what they wanted to do, very stressful and time consuming, meanwhile it was lost time for their kid, but really there was no other way left to them.
 

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Hey according to Brit Hume from Fox News: The idea that rich people are running the country is a conspiracy theory.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-ne...g-the-country?

Yeah, it's the gardeners and dishwashers who are running the country?

I think if you step back and realize that both the GOP and Dem establishment is attacking Sanders, then it's not a great leap to accept that he's on to something.

The .01% owns us. The few decades of workers rights, women's lib, etc....scared the crap out of them, and brought the fight to the middle class with their trickledown / eliminate U.S. workers game plan.
 
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ch33zw1z

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What’s more, if your kid is eligible for college, now Trump and Betsy want to get rid of student loan interest tax deductions, public student loan forgiveness and subsidized loans for low income students. College should be for rich people!

Pay to play, or enjoy you life at the daily grind, plebe....oh, and FYGM.
 

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A neighbor's son is on the spectrum, and they had a lot of trouble with the local schools in providing an appropriate learning curriculum, and they were some of the top schools in the state.

They ended up having to sue to be able to get tuition for a specialized school.

Was not what they wanted to do, very stressful and time consuming, meanwhile it was lost time for their kid, but really there was no other way left to them.
It's hard to ignore this trend, but it's important to keep in mind that experiences can be very different in each district. I'm sorry for any parents and students that are put in that position, I can only offer advice. But the lost time in the classroom is even worse, setting back a student that is already falling (or fallen ) behind
 

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I think if you step back and realize that both the GOP and Dem establishment is attacking Sanders, then it's not a great leap to accept that he's on to something.

Perhaps it's because some people have learned from history.
 

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Perhaps it's because some people have learned from history.

Yea, the Golden rule, those who have the gold make the rules.

A guy like Sanders represents what those with all the gold fear. A return to a strong working class and FDR type policies
 
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Or the parents could step up and get tutoring for the child. Or that's right. That would require accountability.

Yes I know one mother has 6 kids and no real job to speak of... But she can't be blamed for that either.
 
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Yea, the Golden rule, those who have the gold make the rules.

A guy like Sanders represents what those with all the gold fear. A return to a strong working class and FDR type policies
Sanders is a socialist/communist. He's got ideas that have no actual grounding in reality. That is unless you're willing to pay half your income in taxes to make all this free stuff happen.
 

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Or the parents could step up and get tutoring for the child. Or that's right. That would require accountability.

Yes I know one mother has 6 kids and no real job to speak of... But she can't be blamed for that either.
WTF are you talking about? Tutoring requires money, a lot of it. The kind of money that poor people don't have and never will. If we as a society decided that children with disabilities should get extra help through pooling our tax money for this specific purpose, how's that not accountability?
 

ch33zw1z

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Or the parents could step up and get tutoring for the child. Or that's right. That would require accountability.

Yes I know one mother has 6 kids and no real job to speak of... But she can't be blamed for that either.

Speaking of things that have no basis in reality. If you're gonna shit all over the chess board, at least read the article first.