leaked Forceware 87.08

[BFG10K]

Tell me, did you by chance see the Leaked Cat 6.5 Beta Drivers thread?

Sure, it doesn't change the fact that Catalyst 6.5 WHQL will be released this May, yet another example of ATi's monthly official driver releases that they've been doing for the last four years.

What's your point?

Care to comment on this post in it?

The performance comment you mean? My comment to that would be that everyone will get it when ATi releases the official driver this month.

What is your comment to nVidia's driver release schedule being one new driver every four months (or longer) with beta scraps fed to users in between?

Yes, you probably attracted more people to the thread than might otherwise have looked...

:roll:

 

[Gstanfor]

No, I meant comment on the bit where the system was unstable with anything other than 6.2

That's two unstable drivers this user has had to endure so far (maybe 3 if 6.5 dosen't help him).

You can't ignore this issue - you're the one who dragged SLI issues into this thread in the first place (my original post referenced SMP support)...

 

[Cookie Monster]

Another flame fest..

Well for one, ATi got sued for having bad drivers by 3d firms.
And Gstanfor stop it man.

Maybe AT should have NV/ATi driver section like other forums..

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Another flame fest..

Well for one, ATi got sued for having bad drivers by 3d firms.
And Gstanfor stop it man.

GStanfor=Troll.

 

[Gstanfor]

I fail to see how I have trolled *anything* in this thread.

In past discussions BFG10K has put nVIDIA drivers down over various issues including SMP multi-processor support. This driver addresses the issue through the threading optimizations option in the advanced panel.

It's the fanATIcs that invaded the thread (though it has nothing whatsoever to do with ATi) the need to stop it... (as per usual) - and you can rest assured I won't stop on these forums until they do.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
AMD Athlon XP 3200MHz @ 3200MHz

Im just curious, in you sig, you have this as your CPU in one of your boxes. Do you really think you have a 3.2gig CPU?

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

There are even better posts of yours on the forum, but this one will do.

I never once said I had a 7800GT SLI setup in that post, or any other post, ever. What I had was a 7800GTX SLI setup, which I no longer have. So no, I cant check these drivers for the alleged IQ and Perf increase on my system. I have another PC with a NV card, but its rather old. I now have X1900's in Crossfire. Now that was an IQ increase.

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
I fail to see how I have trolled *anything* in this thread.

In past discussions BFG10K has put nVIDIA drivers down over various issues including SMP multi-processor support. This driver addresses the issue through the threading optimizations option in the advanced panel.

It's the fanATIcs that invaded the thread (though it has nothing whatsoever to do with ATi) the need to stop it... (as per usual) - and you can rest assured I won't stop on these forums until they do.

You're being pretty hypocritical. Often times you're one of the first to post in a thread, and call out others by name, calling them trolls before they even post in a thread. I did not troll at all, what I asked for was some comparison IQ shots. NV puts out several beta drivers each month, sometimes as many as 2-3 per weeks. Thats a lot for people to go thru. I dont think its that much to ask, when someone announced an increase in both IQ and performance to back it up with some pics and numbers. Im sure others who have a newer NV card would appreciate it.

You think you're some kind of regulator? Heh. Again, hypocrtical.

 

[Gstanfor]

It's meant to be 3200+ @2200 mhz. Good catch. Nothing in my main system is overclocked in any way shape or form. (did used to bump the 6800GT to Ultra levels, but it is hardly necessary).

As for you differentiating between 7800 Gt/GTX I think you are coming down with BFG10K's anal nitpick disease. I only remembered you had GeForce 7's in SLi, was fairly certain it was 7800, not 7900. You could have corrected my error, but you chose rather to state that you never owned the cards or SLi, so in my books your still a liar.

 

[Ackmed]

Saying I never owned a 7800GT SLI setup does not make me a liar. Why? Because I never did.

So are you never going to post some pics or tell us what the IQ increase is, where it is, and what games its in? As well as the performance increase? I dont doubt a perf increase, thats pretty common in drivers. I do doubt a IQ increase however.

 

[Gstanfor]

No, as a matter of fact, I'm not. If you bothered to read the thread properly and explore the links I gave in the first post, you may find (as did Praxis1452) that I'm not alone in my claims.

The information you seek is out there... It's not my job to find it for you.

 

[Ackmed]

Some say there is, some say there is not. Some say it crashes their PC, some say they are great. As I said, some people see what they want to see. So again, why not simply back up your claims? You could have provided pics by now, as much as you have posted about it. It would take no more than 20 mins to take a few shots (with fraps), with this alleged IQ and FPS increase. You call me a liar, and yet Im not the one dodging backing up my claims.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: Praxis1452

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: Ackmed
What about the IQ is well up? How about some comparison shots.

You own nVIDIA cards. Do your own comparison shots if the word of the community isn't good enough for you.

word of the community? Your word only unless I'm mistaken... what reviews mention a huge increase and who else? Atleast Rollo trolled better -_- he actually made claims he could back up... to a degree though not everything he said was a lie..

You obviously don't read too many different forums do you?

this simply means he is talking out his ass and repeating hearsay. the "community" has had varying reports on this, tho a guy over @nvnews with an FX5200 swears it gives boosts to performance and IQ!

@ guru3d a guy with 7800GT states, "I tried them and got much worse results. Games aren't better as far as I can tell, and the 3DMark scores are the worst I've ever had. I went back to the 84.66 which do a good job for me."

another guy who owns a 7900GT states, "I didn't have very good results with these drivers on my 7900gt. I benchmarked them, and found no increase or even a decrease compared to earlier drivers. They worked fine in many games, but in FEAR, there were certain textures that would turn blue."

so that's the "word from the community" that he's talking about. i guess it all depends on who you want to believe, but in any event, his claims of uber performance and IQ is hardly credible in any way, shape, or form.

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
I fail to see how I have trolled *anything* in this thread.

In past discussions BFG10K has put nVIDIA drivers down over various issues including SMP multi-processor support. This driver addresses the issue through the threading optimizations option in the advanced panel.

It's the fanATIcs that invaded the thread (though it has nothing whatsoever to do with ATi) the need to stop it... (as per usual) - and you can rest assured I won't stop on these forums until they do.

Oh good this thread is fun fun fun. Especially when even nvidiots won't back you. :-D I rarely use that term... it's so stupid just like your spelling of fanATIcs.... but hey I'll join the club

Btw I'm satisfied with 2d on my crap box atm so there's no need for new drivers anyway.

BTW it is Your job to prove to me that there is a difference since you made the claim.

 

[Amplifier]

Just downloaded the new drivers. So far I've lost 175 points in 3dmark05.

 

[Gstanfor]

So, the whingy little fanATIcs would like some IQ screenshots would they? Never mind that none of you have told what I should compare IQ to...

Here are some IQ screenshts for you then, from the 3dmark series. Anybody will be able to generate local versions of these since they are the default IQ test frames.

I didn't generate refrast images, since I don't currently have the capability. If I get bored/have enough freetime enough during the week I *might* download the current developer version of DirectX and post up refrast shots. If anyone else can do so, please feel free to (sol ong as you are using the lastest DX9 SDK and not an old version).

First things first. the 3dmark series generate .bmp images. At 3.5 mb per image there is no way known I'm going to try to host these anywhere. The images are converted to jpeg format using Irfanview 3.98 - version info JPEG save settings This yields .jpg files as close to the original .bmps as it's possible to get with the jpeg format.

3dmark 06
Game test 1
Game test 2
Game test 3
Game test 4

3dmark 05
Game test 1
Game test 2
Game test 3

3dmark 03
Game test 1
Game test 2
Game test 3
Game test 4
Pixel Shader test

Video card used was GeForce 6800GT.

 

[Gstanfor]

BFG10K will be ecstatic do discover that 87.25 has been leaked (the same version as his x-bit writeup).

drivers in original condition

modded inf (not XtremeG)

 

[CKXP]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
So, the whingy little fanATIcs would like some IQ screenshots would they? Never mind that none of you have told what I should compare IQ to...

Here are some IQ screenshts for you then, from the 3dmark series. Anybody will be able to generate local versions of these since they are the default IQ test frames.

I didn't generate refrast images, since I don't currently have the capability. If I get bored/have enough freetime enough during the week I *might* download the current developer version of DirectX and post up refrast shots. If anyone else can do so, please feel free to (sol ong as you are using the lastest DX9 SDK and not an old version).

First things first. the 3dmark series generate .bmp images. At 3.5 mb per image there is no way known I'm going to try to host these anywhere. The images are converted to jpeg format using Irfanview 3.98 - version info JPEG save settings This yields .jpg files as close to the original .bmps as it's possible to get with the jpeg format.

3dmark 06
Game test 1
Game test 2
Game test 3
Game test 4

3dmark 05
Game test 1
Game test 2
Game test 3

3dmark 03
Game test 1
Game test 2
Game test 3
Game test 4
Pixel Shader test

Video card used was GeForce 6800GT.

what settings where you using in the NV control panel(HQ,4aa/8af)?? when you took those screen shots.

 

[Ackmed]

What does shots of 3dmark do? They are all using the same driver? There is nothing to compare to. How useless. So much for backing up your claims of better IQ.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
So, the whingy little fanATIcs would like some IQ screenshots would they? Never mind that none of you have told what I should compare IQ to...

you stated they improved IQ. people just asked you to show these IQ "improvements". how difficult is that to understand?

 

[CKXP]

http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dmark0620060514134019422ma.jpg]

that is a screen shot of 3Dmark 06 game test 1, i tried to capture the same identical image that Gstanfor captured(note the time frame of the two images between [url="http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/8915/06gt120958yl.jpg"]Game test 1[/url] and the image posted above)

i used Irfanview 3.98 to convert the image from .bmp to jpeg

7800gt(HQ 4aa/16af) using XtremeG forceware 84.56v2

 

[Gstanfor]

Well... you should have specified what you wanted!!!

And those screenshots are not useless - anyone (who has 3dmark) can do comparison screenshots and evaluate IQ from there.

You can even compare against microsofts reference rasterizer tool (for in the DX9 SDK) with these screens shots. It doesn't get more objective than that.

So it seems to me that the only useless things in this thread are the fanATIcs comments - AS PER USUAL!

 

[Gstanfor]

People seeking to post comparison shots should ensure they are using 1280x960 and not the daft 1280x1024 resolution.

difference image produced with paintshop pro 9's image calculations tool.

Thie difference in lighting (especially on the oxygen tank) is quite obvious here between 87.08 and the 84.56v2 drivers, with 87.08 clearly winning even without the difference shot (included for the terminally thick amongst us...)

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Well... you should have specified what you wanted!!!

And those screenshots are not useless - anyone (who has 3dmark) can do comparison screenshots and evaluate IQ from there.

You can even compare against microsofts reference rasterizer tool (for in the DX9 SDK) with these screens shots. It doesn't get more objective than that.

So it seems to me that the only useless things in this thread are the fanATIcs comments - AS PER USUAL!

You made zero mention of your driver settings, which can override the benchmarks. Image quality also makes a difference.

Whats useless, is your claims of IQ and Perf increases, but not backing it up with results. Why not mention what game got an increase? Or is it just crappy 3dmark? What res, and settings? What exactly is better about the IQ? Is it all better, or just parts? AA/AF better, or texture quality? As you can see, a blanket statement like "better IQ and Perf" is pretty silly, when you look at the big picture. As you have been shown, some people dont like the drivers, and some do. So taking your word on it, with very mixed user reviews, with no data to back up your claims, wouldnt be a good idea. Its not that hard to take a few game shots, where the IQ is allegedly better, or run a time bench of the game, and give the reults of the alleged better perf. Thats assuming there is no funny buisness on your end...

Also, 1280x1024 is by far, the most used resolution. Calling it daft, when its a 18-20" LCD's native res is pretty silly. You could say its "daft" to make the mistake in thinking you have a "3200Mhz @ 3200Mhz" AMD chip. Or that someone is posting about 6.12 drivers, when the title says 6.5's. Yes, I saw before you edited it. Lets try to keep the low lying insults out, and just get something positive fromt his thread.

 

[secretanchitman]

wow, all this chat about 1 BETA/leaked driver makes me glad i stick with the original 84.21's off nvidia.com.

 

[Gstanfor]

Not backing my claims up with results??? You are full of ****** Ackmed!!! And would you mind letting us know how different driver settings manage to influence the lighting in a scene while you are at it?

 

[Shamrock]

Gstanfor,

ALOT of people are having big troubles with the 87.08, this thread is futile. Even people on NVNEWS is getting mixed results.

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=70086

HOWEVER, the new leaked 87.25's are getting great results.

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=70182
http://www.tweaksrus.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5521
people are getting increases in SiN, and Oblivion....1 claimed to go from 15fps to 33fps in Obliv.