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See the 6701 that the GPU-Z reads?
I believe it reads 6718
http://image163.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100826/23/5519975820100826234917087.jpg
So, it must be
233,CAYMAN XT (6718),NI CAYMAN
See the 6701 that the GPU-Z reads?
Unlikely.See the 6718 that the GPU-Z reads?
well, it's not like they set the bar too high last time. all 6870 needs to do is be ~ 10% slower than 5970 and this "1/2 step" will actually be a full step. hopefully nvidia is more timely this time and we'll get some great competition and, more importantly, reasonable prices.
I'm curious to see what Nvidia can do with 40nm. It seems like they pushed the limits on power and size already. But, I'm sure they won't sit on their thumbs and do nothing. I don't think Nvidia likes having the second fastest GPU.
I think Nvidia will probably discontinue GF100 products for desktop (but not the pro market) and will try to stetch GF104 as far as possible. They'll slot GTX 490 (2x Gf104) between HD6870 and HD6970, slot GTX475 (full spec GF104) between 6770 and 6850, and the current GTX460 probably around 6750. GF106 and 108 will be slotted wherever they can be based on the performance even if the parts have low margins.
It does seem that they are stretched to their limits, and it will be hard for them to compete with the 6xxx generation, at least at the high end. If they're lucky AMD will drop the ball again on tesselation performance and they can play the future proof card, but I wouldn't count on it.
I think about the best thing Nvidia can do is compete with whatever they can still make money on, scrap whatever they can't, and work like mad on their 28nm part.
So its possible that we could see something along the lines of 12SM (48SP each just like GF104), 3GPC chip (96TMU, 48ROP) from nVIDIA or even (8SM with 64SP each) which could end up smaller and use less power than the GF100 although GPGPU performance might take a little hit.
Okay I see what you mean. The next page of the preview clears it up by giving the default 480SP score:So the 17,3% must be for the 800MHz 512SP over the Default GTX480 and we get another 7,1% from the O/C of 50MHz.
I think about the best thing Nvidia can do is compete with whatever they can still make money on, scrap whatever they can't, and work like mad on their 28nm part.
35% is great if true in real-world application but like I've countered so many times on here, there were too many people on here with too high of expectations for the 6800 series by thinking that a 6870 would be able to beat a 5970.
There's 7Gbps GDDR5 chips in mass production, confirmed a few months ago. The chips are also denser, which means on a 256bit bus, ATI could easily be aiming for a 2GB release as standard. However, i don't think they will, because the target pricing is around $440 USD, which is not much more than the 5870 at release. Probably will be a 1gb and later, a 2gb version.
Vantage is always the first leak as its the easiest for OEM workers to do. Others require full games and time. Expect some real game benchmarks this week however.
Edit: 28nm = late 2011, so no new Fermi refresh or Fermi 2 until then. NV scrapped the dual gf104 option as it exceeded 300W.
keep in mind that amd is not going quite so small this time. 6870 is going to be 400mm+, and if amd believes that they can have the single gpu crown for another 12-18 mos then who knows how big they'll go? 425mm2, 450mm2? They just went small ball before because they couldn't compete with nvidia at the top.
I assume you are right, but we may not me. Who knows how big AMD is going, are they adding 20% to their current GPU's or are they going Nvidia-big? Will it not really be larger at all and just be rearranged internally with some new shiney parts under the hood? Are these Vantage scores really meaningful, and we'll see a much smaller real world gain? Who knows, though I am curious to see how it plays out.
Charlie says SI is a ~380mm^2 part. So bigger but not by that much. He thinks the 35% boost is "in the ballpark".
Charlie says SI is a ~380mm^2 part. So bigger but not by that much. He thinks the 35% boost is "in the ballpark".
In fact, a bit *TOO* amazing. I'm sure people won't be disappointed with a hair faster than the GTX480 512, with livable power and noise characteristics.
If that happens I'll probably pick up a 470. Hoping that some day I'll have a choice of video card vendors for Linux, but for now I'm locked into NV.
