Leaked ATI S.I. 6870 benchmark

[woolfe9999]

I think he's right though.
AMD entered the x86 market independently in 1991, with the Am386.
Until 1999, they never competed with Intel directly.
So that's about 8 years of consecutive Intel leadership.
Then we enter the K7/K8/PIII/P4, which ends in 2006, with the introduction of Core2 Duo.
So about 6 years of 'struggle'.
And now we've had about 4 more years of consecutive leadership.
That's a total of 12 years where AMD wasn't competitive in the high-end at all, and 6 years where things were 'back-and-forth'... (So not total domination from AMD).
I would say the normal order is that Intel is the 'untouchable' performance leader. At the very least they were ahead 2/3 of the time that AMD and Intel competed directly.

That sounds about right, if we are talking about who had the performance crown during which period of time. But I would add that during that 6 years of "trading blows," AMD usually had the crown, and more importantly for us consumers, they usually had a commanding lead in dollars/performance. The fact is there was a period of about 6 years where I wouldn't even remotely consider Intel when building a new rig because you just couldn't get anywhere near the bang for the buck with Intel. I honestly think that is being overlooked by both sides in this discussion.

- wolf

 

[Scali]

and more importantly for us consumers, they usually had a commanding lead in dollars/performance.

I don't think that even needs to be debated with AMD.
Delivering better performance per dollar is pretty much the reason why AMD exists.
They've ALWAYS delivered better performance per dollar... with a few exceptions where they didn't anticipate Intel's introduction of new CPUs and/or pricecuts. But generally AMD corrects those situations in a few months time.
So if we were to talk about the 'value crown' instead of 'performance crown', then AMD will probably score over 95%.

 

[Ares1214]

Currently, i dont think Intel and AMD are really competing lately much. AMD controls the lower end, say, below $200 pretty well, $150 a lot more, and below $100 almost entirely. AMD knows Intel controls $200+. And above $300 entirely. Im sure if intel wanted, they could make a newer, decent sub $100 chip, which they havent. AMD isnt as in as much of a position to make a higher level chip, but they have before more than now. 1090T is pretty nice. Anyway, right now, AMD and intel are more coexisting than competing. Intel doesnt want to get outsold and undercut in the low end, and AMD cant really make a good high end CPU with the current arch. So while yes, Intel has had the performance crown for a while, AMD has also had the bang for buck crown for a LONG time. Once BD comes out, hopefully they will compete more across a full playing field, with CPU's from both ranging from $50-500.

 

[Genx87]

Currently, i dont think Intel and AMD are really competing lately much. AMD controls the lower end, say, below $200 pretty well, $150 a lot more, and below $100 almost entirely. AMD knows Intel controls $200+. And above $300 entirely. Im sure if intel wanted, they could make a newer, decent sub $100 chip, which they havent. AMD isnt as in as much of a position to make a higher level chip, but they have before more than now. 1090T is pretty nice. Anyway, right now, AMD and intel are more coexisting than competing. Intel doesnt want to get outsold and undercut in the low end, and AMD cant really make a good high end CPU with the current arch. So while yes, Intel has had the performance crown for a while, AMD has also had the bang for buck crown for a LONG time. Once BD comes out, hopefully they will compete more across a full playing field, with CPU's from both ranging from $50-500.

I highly doubt AMD controls much of anything. Millions of dells\hps\sonys\gateways are sold with low end 100 dollar Intel chips.

 

[Martimus]

Why are people talking about the relative performance of AMD and Intel's past processors in a thread about a leaked 6870 benchmark?

 

[Kenmitch]

Why are people talking about the relative performance of AMD and Intel's past processors in a thread about a leaked 6870 benchmark?

Sorry about that

It all started with my analogy in post # 707, then followed by a quote back to it in post # 747. Then it kind was clarified by others from then on but of course somebody had to argue his point on and on, etc. But was interesting to brush up on the good old days!

 

[Ares1214]

I highly doubt AMD controls much of anything. Millions of dells\hps\sonys\gateways are sold with low end 100 dollar Intel chips.

Considering Intel doesnt even really have a modern $100 chips, and almost all of their older ones get smoked by the newer AM3 ones, wether the OEM's see it or not, i consider that control.

 

[Caribbean Geek]

I've seen a lot of midrange and low end notebooks with AMD processors, that's a change, It usually was Intel ones with Pentium Dual Cores.

 

[Ares1214]

http://image208.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100915/13/557742492010091513152203.jpg

To me, that looks false, i was under the impression barts was 1280 shaders, 64 TMU, and so on.

 

[Caribbean Geek]

Probably is to find out who leaks info.

 

[Ares1214]

I agree. Everything has pointed to other info. Even the text and numbers look wierd, but that might be how it always is.

 

[MrK6]

More of the good stuff: http://www.nordichardware.com/news/...ts-launches-in-october-as-radeon-hd-6800.html

Looks like AMD could be releasing a hell of a card. If it comes with an MSRP of $200, that could be an incredible bargain depending on the final specs and performance. In either case, I can't wait for Cayman in November

 

[Genx87]

Considering Intel doesnt even really have a modern $100 chips, and almost all of their older ones get smoked by the newer AM3 ones, wether the OEM's see it or not, i consider that control.

Plenty of core 2 duo's in the 100 dollar range now. Either way you are just making up a metric to quantify control. If Intel outsells AMD, AMD controls nothing.

 

[happy medium]

More of the good stuff: http://www.nordichardware.com/news/...ts-launches-in-october-as-radeon-hd-6800.html

Looks like AMD could be releasing a hell of a card. If it comes with an MSRP of $200, that could be an incredible bargain depending on the final specs and performance. In either case, I can't wait for Cayman in November

In the article it states the new 6870 mid range card (gtx460 competitor) will be on par with the 5850. Lets hope it cost only $200 for only 8 percent more performance then a gtx460. In 6 weeks the price of a gtx460 will be under $200 easy.

Sounds about right dosen't it?

Edit: In any event, I'm looking foward to this card if a gtx475 is not released, they would make a good crossfire setup someday.

 

[HurleyBird]

I still think this "barts is 6870" rumor is stupid and wrong. And it makes it hard to tell what people mean when they say '6870'.

 

[Daedalus685]

I still think this "barts is 6870" rumor is stupid and wrong. And it makes it hard to tell what people mean when they say '6870'.

Probably the point. Intentional leak or not someone is laughing hardily with the name BS.

I can't fathom why they would change the naming convention like that. No point at all. As by that logic the 5770 should have been the 5870 as it beat the 4850 in performance...

 

[MrK6]

If the naming switch is indeed correct, my guess is AMD is marketing it's products towards the high end as it foresees Fusion progressively taking over the low end.

 

[Ares1214]

Plenty of core 2 duo's in the 100 dollar range now. Either way you are just making up a metric to quantify control. If Intel outsells AMD, AMD controls nothing.

Core 2 Duo are last gen, not modern. And AMD is gaining some support from the OEM from dell and HP, their low end, and even a few mid end ones are starting to use AMD. And Intel barely even has anything below $100, and anything they do have generally gets crushed by the AMD equivalent. Personally, i consider that control, but in a market sense, yes you are right.

 

[golem]

Core 2 Duo are last gen, not modern. And AMD is gaining some support from the OEM from dell and HP, their low end, and even a few mid end ones are starting to use AMD. And Intel barely even has anything below $100, and anything they do have generally gets crushed by the AMD equivalent. Personally, i consider that control, but in a market sense, yes you are right.

Aren't Core 2 and AMD's latest pretty much the same speed clock for clock? If that's the case, they are "last gen" in that Intel has introduced a new gen, but they are just as modern as AMD's latest chips (at least in the $100 and under sector)

Intel has a lot more pricing freedom than AMD, they have a huge cash hoard and have their own fabs. If Intel wanted to, they could price AMD out of existence. That's not really control for AMD. It's more like neglect from Intel towards the lower end.

 

[Idontcare]

Let's keep it on-topic folks...

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[Grooveriding]

http://image208.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100915/13/557742492010091513152203.jpg

To me, that looks false, i was under the impression barts was 1280 shaders, 64 TMU, and so on.

edit mode ?

 

[3DVagabond]

http://image208.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100915/13/557742492010091513152203.jpg

To me, that looks false, i was under the impression barts was 1280 shaders, 64 TMU, and so on.

I think that would be a bit weak to compete with the gtx-460. The 1280 specs seem more realistic. It's possible of course that the new shaders are that much faster I suppose. If so, and Cayman really is 1920, it would be a monster though. Somewhere around 5970 performance!

 

[OCGuy]

use google translate.

basically, a single 6870, ~12K in vantage extreme.

That's around 35% faster than 5870 and ~20% faster than GTX 480.

Didnt happen

ps. Expect a big price cut for the 5850 and 5870 next week.

Didnt happen

pss. Expected price of 6870 = 3000 chinese yuan = ~$440 USD. So can guess the 6850 will be $340 USD??

Not happening

However, the new 6770 has an expected performance of near a 5850, but slightly above 5770 levels in terms of pricing. NV will be having a rough year until Fermi 2.

The "6870" is going to be around that range, so the "6770" can't even be close.



I don't feel like going through the rest of this thread, I'm sure there are a couple dozen gems in it. But I think I have made my point about speaking in absolute terms about future releases

The reason you weren't responding when people were questioning how you have such inside knowledge is now clear.

 

[thilanliyan]

^I think the naming got confused and Silverforce meant 6970 in current terms and the last thing you quoted was about the 6870 in current terms, which is actually true (there isn't even a 6770 to speak of). When the 6970 comes out then you can revive this thread if none of the other stuff comes to pass.

 

[OCGuy]

^I think the naming got confused and Silverforce meant 6970 in current terms and the last thing you quoted was about the 6870 in current terms, which is actually true. When the 6970 comes out then you can revive this thread if none of the other stuff comes to pass.

No this proves that this whole thread is bogus. From the fake "benchmarks" to the analysis of those benchmarks.

If you have insider info, you should know the naming scheme ~4 weeks before launch.