League of Legends - F2P MOBA (like DOTA) part 2

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hans030390

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Ya, AD Rammus is a beast in Dominion, and wow do people get on my case for that as soon as they see me take a PD they are like "wtf you doing noob" etc. So funny.

AD Rammus is even viable on Summoner's Rift, though it takes a lot of work to do well with his early/mid game. Late game, though...taunt, shield, attack. If they try to run away (which they probably will after seeing their health melt), chase them down with your Q!
 

RPD

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Cho'Gath doesn't jungle all that well. Although he could do support bot. While he couldn't heal the range AD in his lane, he can certain protect the range AD with rupture and silence as well as setup potential kills for the range AD with those two skills. Chogath also works good with GP/10 items so support wouldn't be a bad idea with him with vayne bot.

That only leaves a jungler with true damage needed.
Brolaf?
 

CPA

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No. It's not all that fun because the AI is pretty easy to exploit once you figure out their "routine". In fact, they have to cheat to stand a chance of competing against humans. There's no replacement for human competition. I only play it to get my FWOTD bonus or to try out a new champ I've never played before.

Excuse my ignorance, but what is "FWOTD bonus"?
 

bfdd

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first game of the day, 25/1/12 as Pantheon. This is classic summoner's rift.
 
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bfdd

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Dominion is way too easy and strategically simple (shallow) compared to Summoner's Rift. The key is to pick a fast champ that either has a bunch of sustain, defense ability, or one that can easily take down champs.

For example, AD Rammus is super fast for the map and will stomp about any champ late game (shield + taunt + AD/AS/Crit build = owned). The strategy is as simple as taking 3 capture points and holding them. Occasionally you'll want to try to distract the other team (so your teammates can take a capture point) or simply steal other capture points. Still, once you have 3 capture points, holding them is 90% of the strategy.

The vast majority of the time, I end up in 1st or 2nd place with AD Rammus. If my team is half decent, it's very likely we'll win. Sadly, it seems like the majority of people playing Dominion don't understand that holding points is the key, not running around trying to feed your bloodlust.

I don't see much variation in the Dominion matches I play. It's generally the same thing, over and over. Summoner's Rift has much more "variety" in this regard. Dominion is fun, sure, but fairly brainless compared to Summoner's Rift. I enjoy it for what it is.

I wish they would release more game types, to be honest. I would love to see them work our a capture the flag type game, or maybe even a team deathmatch. It would take a lot of work to make these viable game times, but it would be cool.

I disagree, but whatever. I've been playing the DOTA style map for fucking years now and there really isn't that much more variety than Dominion. Not to mention Dominion requires a faster pace and more team work.

We've been playing with a 4 or 5 man pre-made, we tried Rammus and imo he's only ok. We don't use him. Our main 4 are Volibear, Blitzcrank, Sion and Pantheon.
 
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ImpulsE69

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A page back or 2 someone mentioned about how the whole ranked AD/support thing is a bit drawn out. I completely agree. People just expect it and it baffles me. To me, 4 ppl farming bottom is just dumb. All you are doing is letting the other team farm and hoping your team doesn't make the first mistake. Letting Vayne farm (kills or no kills) is just..well not a good strategy unless she's on your team.

Taking bottom quickly seems to me more important than mid at that point. You are freeing up 2 (or at least 1) people to roam and help other lanes. The 2 bottom farming idea leaves pretty much everything up to the jungler and/or mid. Mid can't always get away if the opponent is a good pusher. Top usually has to stay put as well. This leaves the jungler running aorund like crazy trying to help everyone. You can't really leave say..Soraka by herself because she can't hold them off normally since she's expected to not take any CS. I've actually had people tell the AD to go back bottom and farm rather than help in team fights and that's just not a good strategy if you are losing turrets in the process.

People get annoyed in char select, but if you can get 2 aggressive and CC chars bot lane against a normal AD/Support, you will normally own them and more than likely win the game if the rest of the team doesn't screw it up. I prefer an AD / AP (both ranged) combination with slows/stuns.

As with any strategy it still relies on your teams ability to coordinate and the other teams skill/luck and I would assume the higher the ELO you go the tougher this would become, but 2 damage dealers (with CC) vs 1 damage dealer seems like a much more viable option in some scenarios.
 
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crownjules

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It would be nice to get away from the typical laning assignments as it does get stale. The only issue with the kill lane bot is that both champs are splitting gold. So come late game, chances are unless they've got lots of kills they're not going to have gold totals the same as the solo lanes. The only way you might be able to get around this is pick champs that will make good use out of the GP5 items to supplement their last hits.
 

ImpulsE69

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It would be nice to get away from the typical laning assignments as it does get stale. The only issue with the kill lane bot is that both champs are splitting gold. So come late game, chances are unless they've got lots of kills they're not going to have gold totals the same as the solo lanes. The only way you might be able to get around this is pick champs that will make good use out of the GP5 items to supplement their last hits.

True, however you have to get past the idea you are there to farm. In this scenario you are there to keep the other damage dealer from farming with lots of harassment. At the end of the day you have 2 damage dealers (who probably got some kills). Obviously this assumes you aren't dying left and right, but then again, any game assumes that. You can't count on kills, but if they can't farm, they aren't much help later either and you have one more damage dealer. They have a much tougher time farming once the turret is down. Again...it's still all up to the overall team. Someone else may carry the team, but that really doesn't matter.
 
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HumblePie

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A page back or 2 someone mentioned about how the whole ranked AD/support thing is a bit drawn out. I completely agree. People just expect it and it baffles me. To me, 4 ppl farming bottom is just dumb. All you are doing is letting the other team farm and hoping your team doesn't make the first mistake. Letting Vayne farm (kills or no kills) is just..well not a good strategy unless she's on your team.

Taking bottom quickly seems to me more important than mid at that point. You are freeing up 2 (or at least 1) people to roam and help other lanes. The 2 bottom farming idea leaves pretty much everything up to the jungler and/or mid. Mid can't always get away if the opponent is a good pusher. Top usually has to stay put as well. This leaves the jungler running aorund like crazy trying to help everyone. You can't really leave say..Soraka by herself because she can't hold them off normally since she's expected to not take any CS. I've actually had people tell the AD to go back bottom and farm rather than help in team fights and that's just not a good strategy if you are losing turrets in the process.

People get annoyed in char select, but if you can get 2 aggressive and CC chars bot lane against a normal AD/Support, you will normally own them and more than likely win the game if the rest of the team doesn't screw it up. I prefer an AD / AP (both ranged) combination with slows/stuns.

As with any strategy it still relies on your teams ability to coordinate and the other teams skill/luck and I would assume the higher the ELO you go the tougher this would become, but 2 damage dealers (with CC) vs 1 damage dealer seems like a much more viable option in some scenarios.


Sometimes the AD/non support works, but it's iffy.

Do you want to know why? Lack of protection for the carry from a jungler is one reason. A good jungler will camp bot lane if they don't have a support, or should. This You end up getting early massive bot lane brawls going on too often and both sides are going to die. The difference is the ability to protect your late game carry. The side with the support is going to have an easier time if the support player is good than a team with aggressive players.

The AD/support combo bottom works with the following scenarios.

1) Your opponents are dumb and you get fed off early kills in bot lane
2) You get lucky and get a kill or two bot lane.
3) No lanes are losing so the game starts going to mid to late game with people more farmed from CS than from kills. Which means teams are roughly even and then the team with the better team comp and scaling carries is more likely to win.

There are 3 scenarios of why you want to go the AD/support bot lane meta.

The reason to go without that combo is because you aren't counting on late game. You are trying to push for a massive lead into late game or an early game victory. You go with an aggressive non support setup bot lane because:

1) You expect to win the lane early and take the tower early.
2) Most of the team are bruisers and need to gain a nice lead in levels and items from early pushing and deny of CS to the to other team.
3) You don't care about late game or team comps so long as you can crush the other team fast.



Here is the difference between the two. With the AD/support setup you can FORCE the enemy team to play to your playstyle if you want. With the other way you can not force the other team to engage quickly and die early if they decide to turtle and farm only early on. There are several high elo tournament teams that have tried your suggestion Impulse thinking the same thing. They usually get crushed. MiG was about the only team to get anywhere in a tournament and still they were crushed by CLG drawing them out to a longer game than they wanted to.

The reason for the AD/support combo is that it isn't counter-able. You have to wait for them to make a mistake to capitalize upon. The other way is being aggressive early which tends to lead to more mistakes.
 

crownjules

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LOL. Tribunal comment I just reviewed:

he made my gaming experince suck just because i suck he thought i was feeding them and i just wantd to say that im just not that good at this game and this guy hurt my feeling and im considering not playing anymore thank you for your time
 

Snock514

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I hide chat as soon as I join any ranked game, unless premade. I rage too much at the idiots on my team (and when they dont listen), and yes I tell them to ping. Better than being banned I suppose.
 

RPD

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Tribunal/reporting etc would not be needed if you could personally ban people so you never have to play with them again.

I don't care how hard it is to do, just make it happen with the match making.
 

HumblePie

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When I do tribunal, I don't do support a ban based purely off bad scores. There has to bea bit more unless the bad scores are extremely excessive. someone going 1/10 in a game isn't bannable. Nor should it be. Someone going 1/10 in a bunch of games while only buying boots of every type? That's a troll that needs to be banned.

Someone going 1/10 in a game and constantly cussing out people? Needs to be banned.
 

HumblePie

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What I found funny though was last Saturday morning I woke up especially early due to some indigestion and acid build up. I'm talking like 4am CST. Since I had nothing better to do I played a few games of LoL while my stomach settled down.

First game I played as a jungle xin. Bot lane was vayne and soraka and failed hardcore. We lost the game pretty early with them dying 7 times each by the 20 minute mark and losing tower. They tried to blame it on me as the jungle for failing to gank their lane. Something I couldn't do because they were constantly dead all the time. Jungle can't gank a lane if the team mates for that lane are dead so common sense would tell anyone. Anyhow, they tried to pin the blame on me although I ended up 1/3/1 with xin zhao at the end with literally the best score on the team.

So I go use the restroom and come back a few minutes later to requeue up. Wouldn't you know it but the same two people are on my team AGAIN. Unfortunately at champ selection I didn't notice because I really didn't remember their names as it was 4:30 in the morning. Someone else wanted to jungle udyr so I go top as gangplank against a wukong. the two bad players who I am assuming are duoing go bottom with tristana and soraka this time.

During the game I had given first blood to skarner as he came over for a level 3 gank after wukong got some good harassment crit in. From that point I didn't let skarner get close as I had a ward there. I proceeded to kill wukong 1v1 five times. Never once did my jungle come top to help gank. Although skarner tried a few more times to help gank me, but I always had a ward there and was ready for him. So instead they proceed to feed off our bottom lane and jungle and even mid. Finally I get 4 come top to try and gank me without an MIA called. I of course die from 4 of them tower diving and lose my tower. Making me 5/2/4 at that point. I was getting assist through my ult. We move to the team fight part and no one else on my team is farmed or leveled enough to put up a fight. We get stomped. I end up 5/7/8 at the end of the match. I start blaming bottom for feeding and they try to blame me for giving first blood and losing the first tower.

so I queue up again and this time notice they aren't on my team at champ selection. I pick Alistar to go bot as support since I was last pick. When the game starts, the two I have had on my team for the previous two games are now on the other team. I send a tell to the other team, "I'm sorry Amumu, Ahri, and Renekton. We are going to wreck you guys because you are stuck with two crappy players on bot." They were playing sivir and soraka.

I proceeded to DEMOLISH them bot lane with my graves counter part. Not once did out jungle have a chance to gank our lane because we just owned them. In fact, their jungle tried ganking a few times but he couldn't help save the trash those two were. I ended up 6/1/22 by the end of the game I think. Their jungle amumu was all pissed too and said I was right that the bottom two were the worst players he had seen in awhile. I wouldn't have done the trash talking if those two on bottom hadn't done it first.

So next game I queue up for I end up taking xin zhao again as jungle. Lo' and behold the crappy duo is again on the opposite team! This time as Kog and Alistar. Again I proceeded to trash talk and rip them new assholes with which to rape them since I ruined their old assholes from the previous games ass raping. :) yes I was that satisfied at destroying those two.

Again it's one thing to lose and realize that YOU are the one that is screwing it over for your team. Hell I make many a mistake and call myself out on my stupid shit when I do it. It's another to try to talk shit and place the blame on others for your horrible play. I ended up going 14/0/4 with Xin that game before the other team surrendered. I pretty much sat at bottom feeding off those two retards the entire time.

I played 2 more games after that but didn't run into them again. I checked their profiles later and noticed they hadn't played anymore games after that last one at least :)
 

imported_Computer MAn

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Tribunal/reporting etc would not be needed if you could personally ban people so you never have to play with them again.

I don't care how hard it is to do, just make it happen with the match making.

It would be too easy to abuse though. You could just ban all the good players in the game and get a high ELO.
 

xSkyDrAx

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What I found funny though was last Saturday morning I woke up especially early due to some indigestion and acid build up. I'm talking like 4am CST. Since I had nothing better to do I played a few games of LoL while my stomach settled down.

First game I played as a jungle xin. Bot lane was vayne and soraka and failed hardcore. We lost the game pretty early with them dying 7 times each by the 20 minute mark and losing tower. They tried to blame it on me as the jungle for failing to gank their lane. Something I couldn't do because they were constantly dead all the time. Jungle can't gank a lane if the team mates for that lane are dead so common sense would tell anyone. Anyhow, they tried to pin the blame on me although I ended up 1/3/1 with xin zhao at the end with literally the best score on the team.

So I go use the restroom and come back a few minutes later to requeue up. Wouldn't you know it but the same two people are on my team AGAIN. Unfortunately at champ selection I didn't notice because I really didn't remember their names as it was 4:30 in the morning. Someone else wanted to jungle udyr so I go top as gangplank against a wukong. the two bad players who I am assuming are duoing go bottom with tristana and soraka this time.

During the game I had given first blood to skarner as he came over for a level 3 gank after wukong got some good harassment crit in. From that point I didn't let skarner get close as I had a ward there. I proceeded to kill wukong 1v1 five times. Never once did my jungle come top to help gank. Although skarner tried a few more times to help gank me, but I always had a ward there and was ready for him. So instead they proceed to feed off our bottom lane and jungle and even mid. Finally I get 4 come top to try and gank me without an MIA called. I of course die from 4 of them tower diving and lose my tower. Making me 5/2/4 at that point. I was getting assist through my ult. We move to the team fight part and no one else on my team is farmed or leveled enough to put up a fight. We get stomped. I end up 5/7/8 at the end of the match. I start blaming bottom for feeding and they try to blame me for giving first blood and losing the first tower.

so I queue up again and this time notice they aren't on my team at champ selection. I pick Alistar to go bot as support since I was last pick. When the game starts, the two I have had on my team for the previous two games are now on the other team. I send a tell to the other team, "I'm sorry Amumu, Ahri, and Renekton. We are going to wreck you guys because you are stuck with two crappy players on bot." They were playing sivir and soraka.

I proceeded to DEMOLISH them bot lane with my graves counter part. Not once did out jungle have a chance to gank our lane because we just owned them. In fact, their jungle tried ganking a few times but he couldn't help save the trash those two were. I ended up 6/1/22 by the end of the game I think. Their jungle amumu was all pissed too and said I was right that the bottom two were the worst players he had seen in awhile. I wouldn't have done the trash talking if those two on bottom hadn't done it first.

So next game I queue up for I end up taking xin zhao again as jungle. Lo' and behold the crappy duo is again on the opposite team! This time as Kog and Alistar. Again I proceeded to trash talk and rip them new assholes with which to rape them since I ruined their old assholes from the previous games ass raping. :) yes I was that satisfied at destroying those two.

Again it's one thing to lose and realize that YOU are the one that is screwing it over for your team. Hell I make many a mistake and call myself out on my stupid shit when I do it. It's another to try to talk shit and place the blame on others for your horrible play. I ended up going 14/0/4 with Xin that game before the other team surrendered. I pretty much sat at bottom feeding off those two retards the entire time.

I played 2 more games after that but didn't run into them again. I checked their profiles later and noticed they hadn't played anymore games after that last one at least :)


Good man. I hate players like that. If you suck at least admit it. If you blame others and play ignorant you have it coming.
 

HumblePie

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This should be remembered for a long time to come.

I was quite aware of what I was typing :) It's one thing to deny or down play blame towards yourself. Another to lay it elsewhere and start trash talking and cussing at others for your own actions. Not once, but multiple times. Then when comeuppance finally makes it way around, I'm going to enjoy watching the idiots be on the receiving end.