League of Legends - F2P MOBA (like DOTA) part 2

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gothamhunter

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HumblePie

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so jax is useless now?

Has been for a bit. Will be more so until they fix him. Actually played against a Jax a few times going top lane against me as Warwick. Jax as a champ never stood a chance.Empower + Leapstrike did way less damage than what my Q does and takes him more mana to cast the combo. On top of that he takes a bit of minion damage doing that combo if I'm standing in the minion wave. Then I just heal back whatever he hit me for while giving him more damage because of my Q. Since my harass relies on my Q, his ability to dodge doesn't matter since he can't dodge that. So he gets shutdown pretty hardcore. Actually most champs Warwick will shutdown hardcore on top. Went against several Talons, Singeds, and Jarvans. All easily taken care of. But jax was one of the easiest to deal with.

Also, great comic up above. Laughed pretty hard when I saw that. Ctrl + Alt + Del comics can be pretty funny at times.

I'm still surprised at the amount of people that get pissed off though at me for picking Warwick in a ranked game and not jungling him. Warwick is one of the worst junglers out there when it comes to speed and pre-6 ganks. But still people keep insisting I jungle him and get upset when I don't. What's worse is when I go 16/5/20 and we LOSE the game but they blame the loss on me for not jungling. Not that they all are negative KD ratio or almost negative on their scores. That couldn't possibly be the reason. /sarcasm

Also, been watching many streams and I'm amazed at how many flat out BAD players there are in the higher Elo ranges sometimes. The ones streaming typically play decent, but when they lose they are stuck with some horrid players on their team that cause them to lose badly and early. But as of late HotshotGG and Saintvicious have been losing a bit because they are playing chars strangely or ones they aren't good with. Hotshotgg has been trying to practice playing Alistar and he's still not that great with him yet. Saintvicious has been playing Leona in the jungle and he hasn't quite worked out the right rythm and team comp to do that the best yet.So I've been watching fail pretty miserably during more than a few games over the weekend. Luckily most were custom or normal matches at least for them.

Oh and Cho Gat + 6 stacks + Surge is pretty funny size wise :)
 
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My first Gangplank Pentakill. of course, ruined by the fact that we lost the game even though I was 13/3 or something like that. Someone chose Leblanc even though I said to not to because she is a useless character. He ended up going about 1/8. Singed kept getting caught while running around and Udyr was useless.

Can't carry a team like that

 

nsafreak

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My first Gangplank Pentakill. of course, ruined by the fact that we lost the game even though I was 13/3 or something like that. Someone chose Leblanc even though I said to not to because she is a useless character. He ended up going about 1/8. Singed kept getting caught while running around and Udyr was useless.

Can't carry a team like that


LeBlanc is far from a useless character if played properly. She's got an extremely high set of burst AP damage along with a nice gap closer. Tbh with the exception of possibly Evelynn I don't think there are really any useless characters currently in the game. There are some that could use a buff and others have been eclipsed by newer characters but none that are completely useless.
 

HumblePie

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LeBlanc is far from a useless character if played properly. She's got an extremely high set of burst AP damage along with a nice gap closer. Tbh with the exception of possibly Evelynn I don't think there are really any useless characters currently in the game. There are some that could use a buff and others have been eclipsed by newer characters but none that are completely useless.

Eve, Mordekaiser, Jax, and Urgot.

Those are the pretty useless ones right now.
 

nsafreak

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I'll agree with you on Eve, she used to be a favorite of mine but taking away her stun did her in. Mordekaiser isn't completely useless, although he's really close but he does have some decent tankability left to him. That gunblade nerf, among others, definitely did hurt Jax though so he's pretty much useless. I'm not so sure about Urgot, I so rarely see him played but every now and then I see a player that manages to do well with him, then again he simply could be playing against worse players.
 
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LeBlanc is far from a useless character if played properly. She's got an extremely high set of burst AP damage along with a nice gap closer. Tbh with the exception of possibly Evelynn I don't think there are really any useless characters currently in the game. There are some that could use a buff and others have been eclipsed by newer characters but none that are completely useless.

That assumes you play her correctly, meaning you get a half dozen kills by 30 minutes in, because if you don't she's worthless.

Without feed her mid/late game because absolute crap, and you might as well buy tank items or something.
 

zebano

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nsafreak is right, both LeBlanc and Urgot are very strong characters. You are somewhat thinking pre-mastery-remake Nik. She is so strong even without a kill until a much latter point in the game now (but honestly, it's hard to play her and not get kills he is soo broken).

Urgot is a rather specialized character who is quite nasty in the right hands. His main problem is that he isn't a brilliant fit in most bottom lane AD+support matchups (there are a few that do work). Much like talon however he has the range and damage to be a brilliant counter pick either mid or top lane and just wreak casters. He has massive early/mid game damage that only falls off a little late game due to his having to build defensive items. Personally I find him best against certain fotm champs like Sion (can never burst his shield versus Urgot) and to a lesser extent Morgana. He also works against Singed, Jax, Nasus, Annie, WuKong and a few others.
 

Firsttime

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Urgot is tricky because like a lot of the other AD casters his late game suffers from a bad case of WTF do I buy? As a ranged AD caster it's even worse because even Ghostblade isn't amazing. That said his early/mid game is great.

LeBlanc is great in skilled hands. She relies on a team that knows they have a LeBlanc. She's excellent at picking people off. So long as you don't have a team that's just trying to straight up 5v5 the whole time she can dominate squishies.

I've only played with a few Eve's in the past few weeks. I always win with them though. The hero isn't particularly strong but most of the people left playing her are. When I played a lot of Lee Sin she always worked out well. Where I could just shield to her invisi and then we could just completely screw people.

Edit: Season 2 is here. Ranked teams as well. Shall we make an AT team and play some ranked? My understanding is Elo is tied to the team not the player. So our individual skill/where we think our elo should be is irrelevant.
 

Firsttime

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Yeah there is an 8 person limit. I created one for kicks. You can create up to 3 teams a week too.
 

HumblePie

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I listed those chars as useless for a reason. They are. Yah urgot has more potential than the rest, but as others have stated, he requires such a specialized team working with just HIM to make him effective that it makes him worthless in the end. Too much team reliance right now for him. Morde isn't all that tanky and doesn't dish out the damage he used to. His only redeeming value is being able to mark someone for your team to focus on with his ult. Eve has no real damage, no CC, and while still annoying early game with stealth she falls off fairly fast once people buy pink wards and oracles. Unlike twitch, who is also countered by pink wards/oracles, she doesn't have the range to pepper people who might spot her as the range twitch has gives him some seblance of useability at surviving a fight. Jax doesn't do the damage he used to. Especially early game. Before he was doing ridiculous damage with empower + leapstrike. Now the combo by level 2 does less damage than just about any single target (even many aoe) damage abilities of any other champ. Which was fine still as gunblade let him make up for that somewhat late game. Although gunblade needed a nerf for both jax and akali and dominion, jax needs a slight tweak again early game to not be so useless overall.

As for other things, strangely enough I had another comeback win last night in a solo ranked queue game before I went to bed. From the champ selection I thought we were going to lose as one guy was constantly spamming chat how he was just going to "Fap, Fap, Fap" all game long. I was captain so I did my bans, and said I'm going solo top warwick. Rest of my team picked Tryndamere, Skarner, Taric, and Twisted Fate. Other team had a Jax, Caitlyn, Garen, Teemo, and Rammus. Their Rammus was jungle and we didn't have anyone between Trynd and Skarner who wanted to jungle. I told one of the at the champ select to jungle, and Skarner finally relents and grabs smite. So I start heading top at the beginning. Everyone goes to their places with me top and everyone else guarding Skarner at blue. They leash and then Taric comes top to me. I then started typing out, "Wtf are you doing up here Taric? go bottom lane." As I am typing wouldn't you know it, but jax and caitlyn are both top hiding in a bush and use that moment to attack me. I couldn't react fast enough and I died. I was a bit pissed, but then Taric typed, "Oh I didn't know. Okay I go bot." And then he proceeds to leave top. At which point jax and caitlyn are pounding on the tower and rammus comes over to help. I rush over as fast as I can. I get there just as the tower goes down, which made it a 3 minute tower kill, and get killed again myself. I'm now pretty screwed. It only got worse after that. Twisted fate died in mid, and Skarner died at red. Caitlyn at this point started talking a bunch of shit about me. "Oh warwick sucks, you guys going to lose because of him. I'll report him for you guys for feeding because he sucks so bad." Saying more of that kind of thing. For some foreshadowing, that turned out to be her downfall.

Tryndamere was farming for a bit bot, but then Taric died bot. I tried to hug the second tower and gain some exps and gold but it was getting rough with both caitlyn and jax there. I died a couple more times. Luckily I got a couple of kills in return off jax who kept tower diving me to kill me there. Second tower almost died, but I finally reached 6 with a few items. From there I basically stated we need to stick together and gank as we can before the other team could do anything. I'll lead in with my ult. Skarner, and Taric followed me around, but trynd and TF did their own thing. The three of us managed to kill caitlyn and Jax several times while Twisted fate kept dying to Garen. Trynd was still off on his own farming. Team fights started happening and he never came once. I was starting to get pissed because our trynd was 0/1/0 at 29 minutes or so. We were down 44 to 21 kills and had lost all the first towers without taking out any of theirs yet. They were getting dragon a few times as well.

I'm not sure how but we managed to bait them good to kill off everyone but garen from their team with us only losing TF and Taric. I then told the other 2 to come with me to Baron. We managed to kill baron before the other team got there. At which point I kept finding and killing both caitlyn and their jax off farming solo. Trynd finally started eating teemo as he was farming and teemo was trying to run around the map droppng shrooms. I started getting kills and assists. We started to basically push back. A few more won team fights and another baron and we won. I ended up with a score of 16/12/30 I think? Tf, Taric, and Skarner had 13 deaths I think. Some at the end were stupid deaths from them as they chased without me. Trynd had the least deaths on our team at 4. Still Trynd only went 14/4/4. He rarely was with the rest of the team because the rest of us all had 15-22 assists. I had the most assists and kills. Still the Caitlyn was talking shit at the end to me. "Worst warwick! Only reason you guys won was because of your trynd!" I was like really? Because my score and the fact I killed her about 8 times didn't possibly have anything to do with the change of outcome. Once I built tanky with the normal build I've been doing for Warwick I was hard to kill. And the other team liked to focus me every time. Which gave Skarner, Twisted Fate, and the few times Trynd joined us all the time they needed to beat down the rest of the team. Even though I died still, I was trading 1 for 4 in team fights. I'll take those trades any game. We managed to come back for a win because their team was just as brainless stupid bad as my team. And while they shut me down early, I finally gained enough momentum to turn it around.
 

zebano

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I listed those chars as useless for a reason. They are. Yah urgot has more potential than the rest, but as others have stated, he requires such a specialized team working with just HIM to make him effective that it makes him worthless in the end. Too much team reliance right now for him. Morde isn't all that tanky and doesn't dish out the damage he used to. His only redeeming value is being able to mark someone for your team to focus on with his ult. Eve has no real damage, no CC, and while still annoying early game with stealth she falls off fairly fast once people buy pink wards and oracles. Unlike twitch, who is also countered by pink wards/oracles, she doesn't have the range to pepper people who might spot her as the range twitch has gives him some seblance of useability at surviving a fight. Jax doesn't do the damage he used to. Especially early game. Before he was doing ridiculous damage with empower + leapstrike. Now the combo by level 2 does less damage than just about any single target (even many aoe) damage abilities of any other champ. Which was fine still as gunblade let him make up for that somewhat late game. Although gunblade needed a nerf for both jax and akali and dominion, jax needs a slight tweak again early game to not be so useless overall.

Urgot is far far far from useless and doesn't even really need a specific comp. You should see if Lounet (EU player) is streaming as he is the highest Elo person I know of that plays him regularly. IEM NY also featured Lounet on Urgot and Urgot is a targeted ban against Sypher (his team) because he plays him so well. He has awesome damage + range, he just happens to be slow as molasses.
 

Chiropteran

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Was trying jungle twitch last night. Tried a couple builds, 21/9/0, 9/21/0, 0/21/9. Seemed full offense was most effective, although I'm tempted to try a 21/0/9 build as well... defensive tree seems lackluster, the 6 damage return makes jungling a tiny bit easier for the first couple minutes but later game I'd rather have the extra move speed and longer jungle buff duration from utility.

As far as results, mixed so far, but most of the failure occurred in the first two games where I was still learning the process. Lost the first game, I just played generally poor and made some novice mistakes like walking into position when my stealth was running out of time and becoming exposed before I was ready. Final record of 1/5/1.

Second game was much better, we won, although it was an early surrender and my 3/2/4 record wasn't really the main reason for the win.

Third game was a loss, though not due to any failure on the part of my jungling and ganking. My final score was 5/5/5, although three of those deaths only occurred at the end. It was a very annoying game, enemy team was way behind early game and turtled hard, but because they had seemingly everything warded we couldn't just take baron either. We were ahead on kills through the whole game but we lost when our AD carry graves decided to AFK for 4 minutes and by the time he returned they were wrecking our inhibitors.

Last game went much like the previous early game, I got fed and landed a lot of good ganks, but unlike the previous game the enemy team didn't turtle and nobody went afk on our team. Finished up 7/2/2.

For runes, I'm using attack speed/armor/scaling mr/move quints. Smite & flash. Item build is a wriggles + boots (merc or berzerker usually), followed by frozen mallet, atmas, warmogs (if game goes that long). I've been frustrated though with lack of speed, twitch base speed is pathetic, so I might switch and build a zeal after wriggles before going into the tank items. It's a work in progress.
 

HumblePie

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^ the move speed bonus from the utility tree is a joke now. 4 talents for 2% movement speed is pathetic. That takes you from your average 320 starting speed to 326. Whoop dee frikking doo. It would take a 400 run speed to 408. Not worth the points for what can be done.

Unfortunately there isn't much else to pick from in the early part of the utility tree. 5% ward vision increase? Umm okay... when ward vision is already great enough no matter where you place them because of trees and brushes restricting vision by a hard amount, the 5% doesn't do much. So basically if you go utility you are going 3 in the mana and either the summoner spell boost or the recall boost.Then 3 in the mana regen and 1 point in the other item you didn't pick over recall boost or summoner spell boost.

From there the utility tree gets a bit better. Runic affinity, gold generation, cool down reduction, and experience gain are all good things. But the lower tree is a pain. It seems that way for all the trees. The lower levels really only have one viable set of talents to pick and the rest just suck. But higher up each of the trees get really good to the point you wish you had more points to pick them all.
 

ImpulsE69

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If you ask me, Riot just ruined LOL. The mastery changes while on the surface seem good, are horrible in practice when put up against other character/builds. Pretty much all my main characters got quite a nerf out of those changes (who weren't OP to begin with).
 

Chiropteran

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^ the move speed bonus from the utility tree is a joke now. 4 talents for 2% movement speed is pathetic. That takes you from your average 320 starting speed to 326. Whoop dee frikking doo. It would take a 400 run speed to 408. Not worth the points for what can be done.

Yeah, but all of the low tier talents are similarly weak. Quints only give 1.5% speed each, so 2% speed could be argued to be worth more than 1 quint. As I said the 6 damage to minions talent makes early jungle a little bit quicker, but after the first 5 minutes it's lost in the noise. And a 20% duration increase for red buff is very noticeable, which is really why I am considering utility as my second tree.
 

xSkyDrAx

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If you ask me, Riot just ruined LOL. The mastery changes while on the surface seem good, are horrible in practice when put up against other character/builds. Pretty much all my main characters got quite a nerf out of those changes (who weren't OP to begin with).

Care to elaborate? It doesn't feel a whole lot different to me besides having more dmg early on. Which main chars do you find having the biggest issues with?
 

Fenixgoon

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so i just went into a ranked solo game and about half of my champs were missing. my team wanted to ban morgana, but she literally did not appear on the champ list. it went from mordekaiser to nasus.

cho was not listed and i couldnt pick him, even though he wasnt banned.

anyone else run into this?
 

Fenixgoon

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ok, just thought of an awesome chogath skin:

scruff mcgruff. his ult would take a bite out of crime! please send me a check in the mail, Riot!