League of Legends - F2P MOBA (like DOTA) part 2

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Chiropteran

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I suspect some of the griefing is occuring because ranked games are disabled. People are going into normal games as they can't play ranked, and they don't really care if they win or not since no rating is involved.

Malak, I have seen several Riven, they don't seem nearly OP to me. Good escape and toughness but with the standard melee champion weakness of being poor at early game harass and needing to be in the danger zone to do any damage in a team fight. I just bought her myself, but I've only had time to test her in a bot game. Lots of fun to play, and I totally dominated the bots, which doesn't say much. Feels like a more fun variation of Garen. Not OP like Lee Sin, but easier to play.

I've been playing a lot of fiddle lately, his fear and silence seem so strong at shutting down annoying escapy champions. I almost play him as a support, as I max out fear first after 2 points in drain and 1 in dark wind, and focus on move speed and survival before damage. Jungling preferably.

If not fiddle, I also have been playing twitch a lot. Did some duo queue with my brother, going bot lane with twitch and him on talon. Seem to be guaranteed lane domination, twitch opening from stealth and talon blinking in with silence and his burst damage was hard for anyone to survive.
 

douglasb

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If you guys think the griefing is bad lately, try playing on the EU West server. I have been lately, and it makes me want to uninstall the game. I just got done playing a game where literally not one word was said the entire game by my teammates, not one ping, nothing. Zero communication. If they were on Vent/Teamspeak/whatever, they didn't bother to tell me. Every single one of them fed, but refused to surrender.

I now know how and why the term "Euro-trash" originated.
 

Malak

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Dec 4, 2004
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Yeah just had a griefer who said normal games don't matter because nobody cares if they win or not. WTF, not everyone plays ranked noob!

My last game was HILARIOUS. The other team had an afk that never once left the throne, and I had picked Karthus. I KILLED HIM 4 TIMES ON THRONE. LOL!
 

Malak

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I find Riven on the weak side compared to the other recent melee ad's. She's slightly weaker then Wukong, but with a more useful kit, and isn't even in the same league as Lee Sin.

I have never been impressed with Lee Sin and don't understand why so many people like him. Just had a troll Lee I played against kept asking why we didn't ban him, but he only kill stealed. Another Lee that was on my team did the same thing, just stood there and waited for opportunities instead of trying to help his team.
 
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I have never been impressed with Lee Sin and don't understand why so many people like him. Just had a troll Lee I played against kept asking why we didn't ban him, but he only kill stealed. Another Lee that was on my team did the same thing, just stood there and waited for opportunities instead of trying to help his team.

Lee Sin is an amazing character.

He has everything that a tanky DPS/carry needs. Ranged harass, a gap closer, an escape tool, a shield, AOE ability, a slow, a self buff.

He has 1.0 Ratio's on all of his abilities.

I dont see how you CAN'T see why he's so good. I don't like playing him very much personally, but thats about it
 

Firsttime

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Mar 31, 2005
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Lee Sin is an amazing character.

He has everything that a tanky DPS/carry needs. Ranged harass, a gap closer, an escape tool, a shield, AOE ability, a slow, a self buff.

He has 1.0 Ratio's on all of his abilities.

I dont see how you CAN'T see why he's so good. I don't like playing him very much personally, but thats about it

2.0 on his q with both parts, 5.0 on his full combo. His burst damage is insane. I will literally win every matchup top with Lee Sin. I don't care who it is. He's also a beast jungle, which is how most people play him.
 

Fenixgoon

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new malz skin = FTMFW. in a way, it's good it's not a legendary skin. at the same time, i kinda wish it had sounds to go with it (not that i actually own malz, haha)
 

Malak

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new malz skin = FTMFW. in a way, it's good it's not a legendary skin. at the same time, i kinda wish it had sounds to go with it (not that i actually own malz, haha)

I hardly saw what his minions looked like, still unsure about it. I probably won't get it just because I like the Djinn skin.
 

Firsttime

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Mar 31, 2005
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There is some downtime this morning putting ranked back in and stuff. They are also hotfixing Riven, since she's so weak she's getting a bunch of buffs.

Base Stats
Attack Speed per level increased to 3.5 from 2.9
Base Armor increased to 15 from 12
Broken Wings bonus attack damage ratio increased to 0.7 from 0.6.
Ki Shout cast time decreased to 0.25 from 0.5
Valor
Shield increased to 60/90/120/150/180 from 40/70/100/130/160.
Cooldown decreased to 10/9/8/7/6 from 11/10/9/8/7.
Wind Slash
Cast time decreased to 0.25 from 0.5
Missile speed increased by 10% to 2200 from 2000.

Should make her more playable.
 

zebano

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Jun 15, 2005
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Fun game last night guys, I've never stolen baron twice in one game before =)


ugg I don't mind buffs to Riven but I hate shields... damn that buff.
 

HumblePie

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Oct 30, 2000
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There is some downtime this morning putting ranked back in and stuff. They are also hotfixing Riven, since she's so weak she's getting a bunch of buffs.

Base Stats
Attack Speed per level increased to 3.5 from 2.9
Base Armor increased to 15 from 12
Broken Wings bonus attack damage ratio increased to 0.7 from 0.6.
Ki Shout cast time decreased to 0.25 from 0.5
Valor
Shield increased to 60/90/120/150/180 from 40/70/100/130/160.
Cooldown decreased to 10/9/8/7/6 from 11/10/9/8/7.
Wind Slash
Cast time decreased to 0.25 from 0.5
Missile speed increased by 10% to 2200 from 2000.

Should make her more playable.

She needed all that. Way to squishy for melee dps. Wasnt' much dps either. Her cast times and animations were too long. It was really hard to hit people with that stun if you didn't have your ult going to increase the range of it. Otherwise people would be able to get out of the small aoe radius if they were moving around.

Still could have done a smidge more for the char. I think reworking windslash would go a long way towards fixing her. Remove the sliding scale damage and just make it do fixed damage. Maybe a slow as well or something.
 

HumblePie

Lifer
Oct 30, 2000
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Fun game last night guys, I've never stolen baron twice in one game before =)


ugg I don't mind buffs to Riven but I hate shields... damn that buff.

Yah that was great job you did stealing baron. You did much better playing morg than you did sion the previous game :)
 

zebano

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Jun 15, 2005
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Yah that was great job you did stealing baron. You did much better playing morg than you did sion the previous game :)

Sion's buffs were nice, but he's still a very poor champ especially built AD. If you get lucky and there is minimal CC on the enemy team, he can pubstomp but he's slower than Yi, most of his stun is used up just running to the enemy, his shield is useless and his attack animation is still slow until you've build PD or two zeals. His ult is great fun, but considering how easy it is to kite/CC him he's just not a serious champ. He's one of the few champs I've taken into a 1v1 fight with Riven and had to run away. Get fed or go late game and the PD + Atma's + ult is awesome but if you really want an AD jungle Plank, Lee Sin, Nocturne and even Tiger Udyr are better.
 

HumblePie

Lifer
Oct 30, 2000
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Sion's buffs were nice, but he's still a very poor champ especially built AD. If you get lucky and there is minimal CC on the enemy team, he can pubstomp but he's slower than Yi, most of his stun is used up just running to the enemy, his shield is useless and his attack animation is still slow until you've build PD or two zeals. His ult is great fun, but considering how easy it is to kite/CC him he's just not a serious champ. He's one of the few champs I've taken into a 1v1 fight with Riven and had to run away. Get fed or go late game and the PD + Atma's + ult is awesome but if you really want an AD jungle Plank, Lee Sin, Nocturne and even Tiger Udyr are better.

The game we won where I was playing Yi and the other team had a Sion I couldn't 1v1 him straight up slugging it out.

First off he had exhaust and I didn't. His ult + items game him massive life steal. While I was doing way more damage per hit and hitting just as fast, the exhaust for 4 seconds dropped my damage on him quite a bit and allowed him to heal up. At least he couldn't kill me either. Nor did he have my mobility. Which means rush in, let him waste his ult and exhaust, then rush out. Wait for the durations to expire then rush in again. He wasn't going to get away without help from his team. Which means at THAT point I could slug it out when his ult and exhaust were gone. Then he was dead meat.


But yah he's an early game domination champ with good sustain. Late game he tapers off quite a bit.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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Sion's buffs were nice, but he's still a very poor champ especially built AD. If you get lucky and there is minimal CC on the enemy team, he can pubstomp but he's slower than Yi, most of his stun is used up just running to the enemy, his shield is useless and his attack animation is still slow until you've build PD or two zeals. His ult is great fun, but considering how easy it is to kite/CC him he's just not a serious champ. He's one of the few champs I've taken into a 1v1 fight with Riven and had to run away. Get fed or go late game and the PD + Atma's + ult is awesome but if you really want an AD jungle Plank, Lee Sin, Nocturne and even Tiger Udyr are better.

Yea, I've always really wanted to like ad sion, but he just doesn't stack up to other champs : (
 

Malak

Lifer
Dec 4, 2004
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I got my best stun in before I was playing with you guys. I was in a team with Gragas and he ulted a second before I did, so he knocked their team into my ult and I hit like 3 of them. We wiped them out and it was awesome.
 

zebano

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Jun 15, 2005
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The game we won where I was playing Yi and the other team had a Sion I couldn't 1v1 him straight up slugging it out.

First off he had exhaust and I didn't. His ult + items game him massive life steal. While I was doing way more damage per hit and hitting just as fast, the exhaust for 4 seconds dropped my damage on him quite a bit and allowed him to heal up. At least he couldn't kill me either. Nor did he have my mobility. Which means rush in, let him waste his ult and exhaust, then rush out. Wait for the durations to expire then rush in again. He wasn't going to get away without help from his team. Which means at THAT point I could slug it out when his ult and exhaust were gone. Then he was dead meat.


But yah he's an early game domination champ with good sustain. Late game he tapers off quite a bit.


Actually I think that applies to AP Sion while late game a properly built and fed AD Sion is actually viable while early game he is very very weak (unless your team actively takes advantage of his stun ... something Taric does better). However being built means Atma's + Negatron item + 1-2x Phantom Dancer + Merc Treads and maybe even an I.E. That's a crapton of farm and the reason I've been taking him into jungle (the stun makes for pretty decent ganks potentially allowing even more gold to get going).
 

Malak

Lifer
Dec 4, 2004
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I thought Yi was doing good late game. Sure you couldn't take Sion 1v1 with his ult, but you fought 3v1 and killed 2 before you died. And with your team, Sion wasn't an issue anyway.
 

Malak

Lifer
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Normal draft is up until they schedule maintenance again ;).

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