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LCD's: is 25ms response not adquate for gaming?

AnyMal

AnyMal

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I found this LCD at what looks like a great price and nice specs. The only thing that bothers me is 25ms response time. I'd appreciate some feedback from the owners of LCD's with similar specs.

Thanks

Edit: forgot to add: I play mostly FPS games.
 
it depends on hte panel. good 25ms panels such as the samsung 243T perform better hten some 16ms panels. i have a dell 25ms panel at home and i game iwth it and it doesnt bug me at all. it's also true that a LOT of people underestimate the performance of lcd monitors, especially when they've only used generic ones. though 25ms doesnt bother me, i'd still have to recommend you at least a 16ms monitor for fps games.
 
I always thought that a 16ms response time was optimal for FPS games 😕
 
Originally posted by: EmperorIQ
my roommate has that, its freaking awesome, all he uses his comp for is gaming btw
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Do you mean he has exact same LCD?

BTW, thanks for all the responses so far.
 
Ive used some 16ms panels, and while theyre *good enough* for games, they are still far off from CRT quality. If saving a little space on your desk is worth it, then by all means go for it, but every time I try an LCD, no matter how fast and newfangled it is, it still doesnt even close to how good my average CRT looks for games.
 
Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
I always thought that a 16ms response time was optimal for FPS games 😕
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that was what i read too...i played on lcds with both specs and neither me nor my friends could tell a difference...but our 25ms lcds were all new generation units. Maybe with lower tier, older models, older units, 25ms will not be good.
 
I have the Samsung 172x which one of the few 12ms LCD panels out there.

Haven't had one problem with it.

Anandtech did a review on it... it scored high if I remember correctly.
 
Yes, CRTs don't have ghosting .. but I really barely get annoyed or really even pay attention to it on my LCD, I really don't understand how some people claim it makes a huge difference.
 
I got this sony SDM-HS93 19' LCD monitor and I paid $240 including tax at staples... Is that a good monitor??
 
Originally posted by: BD2003
Ive used some 16ms panels, and while theyre *good enough* for games, they are still far off from CRT quality. If saving a little space on your desk is worth it, then by all means go for it, but every time I try an LCD, no matter how fast and newfangled it is, it still doesnt even close to how good my average CRT looks for games.
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I spend 10hrs a day on average in front of CRT's, so here's another reason I'm looking to switch.
 
Originally posted by: BD2003
Ive used some 16ms panels, and while theyre *good enough* for games, they are still far off from CRT quality. If saving a little space on your desk is worth it, then by all means go for it, but every time I try an LCD, no matter how fast and newfangled it is, it still doesnt even close to how good my average CRT looks for games.
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I'm basically of the same opinion, but I've actually just ordered an LCD for myself...I'd tried a $600 CRT before (this past week), but in addition to it weighing 65lbs and my living on the fourth floor of a dorm, it just wasn't as clear/crisp as an LCD at the higher resolutions that I wanted to use it at (not to mention some geometry/convergence problems). It seems that neither my video card nor a friend's 6800 could really drive it like it was meant to over analog, so what's the point? While I still think that even everyone's favorite 2001FP (16ms) exhibits ghosting problems, it just isn't practical for me to be moving around a huge CRT often (I go to LAN parties), especially if the picture quality does not make it worth the hassle.

Edit: The LCD I just ordered is the Dell 2005FPW...seems to basically be the best thing out there right now, so I'll have to settle for it. At least I won't pull a dozen muscles trying to move it. 🙂

(And I'll probably end up buying another monitor in a year anyway when something new and better comes around, that can match the refresh/frame rates of CRT's....)
 
I use a 25 ms response Samsung 191Tplus... it does look a little different than a CRT. Not ghosting or blurry, just something of a "fluid" transition between frames. After I got used to it, I could game as well as I could with a CRT, maybe even a little better from how much easier it was on my eyes. Of course, YMMV... everyone has their own preferences. See if you can find a friend with one and play around on it for awhile; the best advice with choosing monitors is to actually go look at one, use it with the daily tasks you preform with it, in the lighting you typically like to have.

Edit: LCDs also like to stick in their optimal resolutions, as has already been pointed out... most 19" LCDs will want to be at 1280x1024. If you fall out of it, the picture won't be as crisp as a CRT. Make sure your video hardware is up to the task of keeping you at that resolution.
 
i'm pretty sure the screen on my laptop is 25ms. anyway, it is perfectly fine for games. when you're swinging in circles really fast in a first-person shooter, it's maybe a little more blurry, but it's not anything that gets in the way of the game. the real problem is mine is 1600x1200 so games like HL2 run a little slow at native resolution and high quality, although they are still playable.
 
It really depends on the quality of the monitor and the games you're playing.

On a high quality monitor, you'll probably experience no ghosting on most rpgs, rts, and movies. However, when it comes to fps's, it becomes a little more apparent. If you're playing single player games or you really suck at online multiplayer games, then you'll probably see little to no ghosting. But if you're some CPL prostar who "kicks" with the awp and makes 180 degree turns with their mouse in milliseconds, then yes, you'll probably experience some ghosting.

I pug in CAL and I do experience ghosting on my dell 1704fpv. But it's very easy to get used to (only lasts for a fraction of a second, doesn't really affect game play) and I heard using DVI gets rid of the problem entirely.
 
Originally posted by: FleshLight
It really depends on the quality of the monitor and the games you're playing.

On a high quality monitor, you'll probably experience no ghosting on most rpgs, rts, and movies. However, when it comes to fps's, it becomes a little more apparent. If you're playing single player games or you really suck at online multiplayer games, then you'll probably see little to no ghosting. But if you're some CPL prostar who "kicks" with the awp and makes 180 degree turns with their mouse in milliseconds, then yes, you'll probably experience some ghosting.

I pug in CAL and I do experience ghosting on my dell 1704fpv. But it's very easy to get used to (only lasts for a fraction of a second, doesn't really affect game play) and I heard using DVI gets rid of the problem entirely.
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Maybe that's it. I've used nothing but DVI with my LCD since I got it. I just looked up the response time for my LCD and its reported at 30ms. Now I played CS:S and do very well, hardly ever not in the top 3 at the end of a match. Given I play mostly on pub servers for pick up game purposes, dont' have time to play in the leagues/clans. Then again, I haven't used a CRT in a few years now and maybe I just don't notice what I didn't have when I had a CRT (ghosting that is).
 
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