LCD tv's with 1:1 pixel mapping?

WraithETC

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I'm planning to buy a new tv sooner or later and would also like to use it for some computing. I heard you need 1:1 pixel mapping in order to avoid overscan issues on the desktop.

So if anyone has a list of some of the popular lcd tvs in the 30" to 40" range that have this feature I would appreciate seeing it.

I've looked myself but the feature is usually not listed even if the tv has it.
 

pontypool

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I'm planning to buy a new tv sooner or later and would also like to use it for some computing. I heard you need 1:1 pixel mapping in order to avoid overscan issues on the desktop.

So if anyone has a list of some of the popular lcd tvs in the 30" to 40" range that have this feature I would appreciate seeing it.

I've looked myself but the feature is usually not listed even if the tv has it.
i have also been trying hard for the same thing. overscan on monitors , especially on pcs causes at best a slight picture distortion. in brand new models it is being incorporated... but business that sell them are still slow to advertise the fact that its amongst the features. i am very eager to find out a soon as possible some 20-40 inch lcd screens with full or at least hd ready with pixel mapping as a must. any brrand
 

bystander36

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The overscan issue is something settings can correct. You can adjust it on the TV itself sometimes, but even if not, you can adjust it in the video card software.
 

futurefields

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If it has a pc input like DVI or VGA those are usually 1:1 by standard. With HDMI things get tricky. My Panasonic always overscans with HDMI connection and there is no menu setting to switch this.
 

Deaks2

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My circa 2007 Sony KDL40V2500 supported 1:1 pixel mapping, as does my 2012 LG 55LW5600. It is not a rare feature from my experience.
 

dagamer34

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For 1:1 pixel mapping, avoid 720p, 1080p is always 1920x1080, you don't have to start dealing with 1366x768 vs. 1280x720 (why there's that different I have clue). Avoid messing with overscan settings on your computer until you are certain there aren't any settings on your TV model. Problem is that they name it different things on different models.
 

pontypool

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My circa 2007 Sony KDL40V2500 supported 1:1 pixel mapping, as does my 2012 LG 55LW5600. It is not a rare feature from my experience.
of course... on sony models its more common. but i challenge you to find proof that pixel mapping is common on all the models (not just your word but documentation)
its a rare feature, and even when it is present, you have to directly ask the manufacturer..
i have googled and its very hard to find tvs that support pixel mapping.
 

futurefields

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you don't have to start dealing with 1366x768 vs. 1280x720 (why there's that different I have clue).

They use/used 1366x768 panels by design on 720p tv's. the whole point was to have the panel be non-native. That way the image is always scaled, and looks worse than a 1080p panel.

Because from 6-8 feet away few people would be able to tell the difference between a true native 720p and 1080p. the difference just isnt that big, and almost invisible to the average adult.

but when you suddenly force all the 720p tv's to scale to a non-native panel resolution, suddenly that native 1080p looks actually much, much better. because there arent any of the scaling artifacts.

what 768p panels do to 720p tv's is really a terrible thing. you end up losing all single-pixel details.

for example, things like telephone lines, or trees in video games. When you back away from them they should eventually resolve into a single pixel detail before eventually fading completely out of view, but on 1366x768 tv's that doesn't work because what happens when you scale 1 pixel from 1280x720 to 1366x768?

it becomes 2 or more pixels. because thats all the scalar knows how to do.

so now imagine details like cloth, fabrics, bricks, rocks, any kind of texture that is supposed to have details in it that pop out end up getting smudged by the 720p - 768p scaling process. i know because I own one of these TV's, it doesn't look terrible, but it doesnt look great.

the fact is most 720p tv's can never display a native image and that is why 1080p tv's actually look better. it doesnt actually have all that much to do with raw pixel count, but how the image itself is mapped by the tv to the display.
 

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of course... on sony models its more common. but i challenge you to find proof that pixel mapping is common on all the models (not just your word but documentation)
its a rare feature, and even when it is present, you have to directly ask the manufacturer..
i have googled and its very hard to find tvs that support pixel mapping.
I said in my experience. Also, the V2500 series was the cheapest 1080p TV Sony sold back in 2007, so it was hardly a high-end feature.

OP, go to a big box store and play with the TV menus. That will get you the exact info you want.
 

psolord

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I'm planning to buy a new tv sooner or later and would also like to use it for some computing. I heard you need 1:1 pixel mapping in order to avoid overscan issues on the desktop.

So if anyone has a list of some of the popular lcd tvs in the 30" to 40" range that have this feature I would appreciate seeing it.

I've looked myself but the feature is usually not listed even if the tv has it.

I use a Philips 32PFL9603D/10 FULLHD TV for 5 years now and it supports 1:1 pixel mapping. There's a setting at picture control menu that says "unscaled" and this is the correct setting for PC use.

I would imagine that 1:1 pixel mapping is a default feature for all current 1080P HDTVs though. I know for a fact that the Sony HX 720 series that a friend got last year, also supports 1:1 pixel mapping.

By the way, since you are using AMD cards, when you switch to unscaled or however it will be called on the HDTV you choose, you will see borders around the screen. This is normal. You just have to slide the overscan slider in CCC. From what I've seen, AMD defaults to safe overscan settings while Nvidia instantly uses the whole screen. Don't know why AMD chooses this path even nowadays though. I believe Nvidia's approach is better, but the end result is the same anyway, it just requires a minimal input from the user.
 

pontypool

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I use a Philips 32PFL9603D/10 FULLHD TV for 5 years now and it supports 1:1 pixel mapping. There's a setting at picture control menu that says "unscaled" and this is the correct setting for PC use.

I would imagine that 1:1 pixel mapping is a default feature for all current 1080P HDTVs though. I know for a fact that the Sony HX 720 series that a friend got last year, also supports 1:1 pixel mapping.

By the way, since you are using AMD cards, when you switch to unscaled or however it will be called on the HDTV you choose, you will see borders around the screen. This is normal. You just have to slide the overscan slider in CCC. From what I've seen, AMD defaults to safe overscan settings while Nvidia instantly uses the whole screen. Don't know why AMD chooses this path even nowadays though. I believe Nvidia's approach is better, but the end result is the same anyway, it just requires a minimal input from the user.
very nice.. but seems to be discontinued
http://www.reevoo.com/p/philips-32pfl9603d
if anyone else can confirm pixel mapping for a 32 inch screen with a reasonable price. let me know.
 

StrangerGuy

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It is a complete travesty we have these problems to start with, even back in 2007. You think somebody who could bothers to build HDTVs with good ADCs would ensure something as trivial as PC->TV HDMI would do 1:1 720p flawlessly at 60Hz or lower but noooooo, it just has to suck.
 

psolord

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very nice.. but seems to be discontinued
http://www.reevoo.com/p/philips-32pfl9603d
if anyone else can confirm pixel mapping for a 32 inch screen with a reasonable price. let me know.

I quoted a post from 2007 didn't I xD? Sorry didn't see you bumped it and you are the new person that is interested about it.

I mentioned my old Philips as a means to show the timeline where 1:1 pixel mapping was already available on 1080P models. I was not actually suggesting it. It's quite old by now.

You could have a look at the HX 720 I mentioned earlier, which is a damn fine TV set. Much better than my old Philips.

Actually I was looking at the HX 850 for myself, as a replacement for my old Philips. It's gotten some great reviews. As a newer model than the 720 I would be fairly sure it also supports 1:1 pixel mapping but you can always google it.

Personally I will wait until the new consoles come out, in the hopes of some 120Hz native input 3D HDTVs with support of 1080P/60hz per eye come out.