LCD Pros vs CRT Pros

[VIAN]

LCDs Pros:
Perfect Geometry
More Accurate Color Placement
Lower Space Consumption
Lower Power Consumption
Lower Heat Output
Lower Noticeable Tearing
Higher Brightness

CRTs(AG) Pros:
More Accurate Color Reproduction
Quicker Response Time
Cheaper
Higher Contrast
Higher Viewing Angle
No Dead Pixels
Scale Resolutions Accurately
Returnable


People are always talking about flickering messing up eyes, but could another thing also contribute to exhausted eyes. Blurry picture. CRTs don't have uniform picture across the screen like LCDs do. The colors just don't hit the screen properly, so what happens is that the center of the screen looks really good and as you move outward, the picture gets blurrier. It's may be more noticeable when you first start up your monitor. The corners were always the weak spots of CRTs. Might this also contribute?

 

[clicknext]

Blurrier the image, the more your eyes strain. A very good quality CRT will have very little of that distortion on the sides, though.

Personally I find that my eyes strain more looking at LCDs than CRTs, provided the resolution isn't set too high on a small screen, and the refresh rate is at least 85Hz. The screen of an LCD is far too bright for me. Sometimes it seems as if I'm staring into one of those old overhead projectors that schools still use. Also, because most LCDs don't have a good viewing angle vertically, you deal with an uneven distribution of colors and brightness.

 

[DefRef]

You're forgetting the biggest problem of LCDs: They only look good at ONE resolution - it's native one.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: DefRef
You're forgetting the biggest problem of LCDs: They only look good at ONE resolution - it's native one.

You are flat out not supposed to run LCD's at non-native resolutions in Windows. The scaling f*cks up any advantage they have and it's an ugly mess.

If text is too small, there's an easy enough solution though; just increase the DPI size in Advanced properties.

I don't see how someone could claim their eyes strain more using LCD's than CRT's though; at least not on an LCD running native res with increased font size if necessary.

It's like night and day for me now, personally. LCD's dont flicker, don't have any blurriness whatsoever and are so much brighter and easier to look at IMO. Often I find people who complain about LCD's haven't used them for very long.

If you use an LCD for a month and still find it significantly worse than CRT than you're in the minority from what I've seen.


VIAN - don't forget the reduced radiation, heat and weight of LCD's.

 

[Avalon]

I dunno, I've been on systems in my college lab that have Dell 1701FP LCDs, and my eyes start to get a little irritated after a while. Maybe it's the brightness, I dunno. I find that as long as I'm on a good CRT with at least an 85hz refresh rate, it's alright. I could never afford an LCD, regardless.

<--- Poor

 

[Elcs]

LCD Vs. CRT....

Although I cannot claim to have owned a quality CRT, Ive never been let down by one. Moving even a 17" CRT is a pain, the heat produced is substantial and I had to sit further back due to the size of the monitor on my desk.

MT CRT's have never ghosted, always been cheap and have always done a good enough job for me.

Moving to an LCD was a great move despite being scared at every forseeable problem. My LG L1710B came without any dead pixels, it hasnt ghosted on me and with the help of some MS Program, the fonts are very easily readable at its native resolution... even with my 9800P and 2.3ghz Barton, every game I play and throw at it can handle its native res to an acceptable degree for me.

I sat in front of my LCD for 2 hours for the first time and my eyes were hurting. Id heard all about LCD's being easier on the eyes then CRT's and wondered what was up. I personally thought then, did I waste my money? I persevered and now Im convinced that LCD's strain my eyes less. I think there is a major difference between LCD's and CRT's and that it just takes time to adjust. If you've been using CRT's for over 10 years like me, then move over to LCD's... Im guessing that you'd probably have to adjust too.

Despite my LCD being picture perfect for me, it does have one nasty problem that my CRT's have never had. The LCD and stand feel really really flimsy, like if you looked at it the wrong way it could collapse and die. It doesnt inspire me with much confidence if I travel with it but I dont intend to, at least for the forseeable future.

Clicknext - I found that my LCD was FAR too bright at first. I dulled it down to look like my CRT then gradually upped it. Now Im running at LG's default brightness settings, switching between all the different settings and it feels normal now.

I think that people really need to spend a while getting used to LCD's. Its quite a change and it was stressful on my eyes for the first week or so but now, I feel even more comfortable with my LCD than my CRT.

 

[yhelothar]

It's not really the outside, it depends on the CRT. Usually shadowmasks will be blurry on the outside. My Sony FD Trinitron tube is blurry on the right side, and razor sharp on the left side.
Although the blurryness could be fixed if I use lower brightness/contrast levels.

Biggest issue on LCDs, IMO, is the contrast.
I seldomly ever see an LCD that can produce a true black.
Those flat glass LCDs seem to never have the issue.

 

[Keysplayr]

CRT's are superior to LCD's in more ways that LCD's are superior to CRT's. Judging from all the comments above, I don't have to specify.

 

[VIAN]

VIAN - don't forget the reduced radiation, heat and weight of LCD's.

I wouldn't take reduced radiation into consideration because that really means little as CRTs are still considered safe. When was the last time someone worried that they were gonna turn into an IMP.

Less heat is part of consuming less power and less weight is part of the lower space consumption.

The heat also another of little concern, If I put my hand on my 21", I'll feel it, but what does that really mean, I can still pick it up and it's not affecting things inside my computer where heat is an issue.

The LCD and stand feel really really flimsy, like if you looked at it the wrong way it could collapse and die.

LOL

Biggest issue on LCDs, IMO, is the contrast.
I seldomly ever see an LCD that can produce a true black.
Those flat glass LCDs seem to never have the issue.

I love those flat glass LCDs. Those are a dream with the clearest picture. But I think that those don't provide glare protection which sucks, but their picture is the best.

Many people also talk about true black, but it doesn't bother me anymore. Why? Because sRGB sets the brightness to where my black isn't really black on my CRT anyway, so I've gotten used to that. sRGB provides accurate color.

 

[Zebo]

I think the main problem in these LCD vs. CRT debates is the quality levels of each. In CRT's there is wide variation in quality while LCD's is much smaller. I mean even the cheapest LCD is superior to a low to mid range CRTs which 99% of the users had or still have.. Natually LCD's are superior to those users, because they are better in every which way except maybe color reproduction and reponse time. It's when you start spending as much on a CRT as LCD's costs you'll find less users who have satisfactorly switched. The voting is flawed because of this. When people using cheap CRTs see a LCD they fall in love, tout it's superiority, but since 99% of population has never used a decent CRT they are evaluating from a position of ignorance and skewing the results.

Go get yourself a 22" diamondpro and a dell FP2001 for a week. then I think the results will be 50/50 for non-gamers and 90/10 in gamers favor who will keep CRT.

Course there is always the "size" and "techophile" factors which I have no idea how much it plays in peoples mind/choices... subconsiously or real which may throw my prediction out the window.

 

[imported_obsidian]

I'm going to have to agree. A high quality CRT is better than a high quality LCD where as a low quality LCD is better than a low quality CRT.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024VIAN - don't forget the reduced radiation, heat and weight of LCD's.

Heat was a major factor in my switch over. I live in Central Florida and my thermidstat isn't in the computer room. It would get uncomfortable in here with a big CRT on for hours, but with LCDs it never varies more than a couple degrees F. Can't say I don't feel better about my son sitting in front of one compared to CRT as well.

 

[VIAN]

Nice exception.

 

[jrphoenix]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024VIAN - don't forget the reduced radiation, heat and weight of LCD's.

Heat was a major factor in my switch over. I live in Central Florida and my thermidstat isn't in the computer room. It would get uncomfortable in here with a big CRT on for hours, but with LCDs it never varies more than a couple degrees F. Can't say I don't feel better about my son sitting in front of one compared to CRT as well.

Ditto.. (central Floridian here), just moved her from Colorado Springs but, originally from Florida. What part are you from?

Everyone misses this one:

Wife Factor If you're married and your wife is the only one that cares about home decor, your only choice is an LCD. Save the marriage and go flat

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I'm just inland of Cocoa Beach J. You get over this way LMK and I'll buy you lunch/dinner@Port Canaveral :beer: You are only an hour so away from here too. Be cool to meet another AT member, only met one so far IRL.

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: VIAN
LCDs Pros:
Perfect Geometry
More Accurate Color Placement
Lower Space Consumption
Lower Power Consumption
Low Heat Output
Lower Noticeable Tearing
Higher Brightness

Um, the only reason they don't show tearing as badly is that the refresh rate is too slow to redraw it. This is not really a "Pro", IMO.

 

[jrphoenix]

Thus the surf board pic in your sig (cute kid) :thumbsup: Maybe a "ron jons" board? I'll let you know if I am heading over that way, it would be cool to meet up!

 

[tr1kstanc3]

i had used crt monitors for the past 12 years. i only recently purchased a samsung 712n monitor from bestbuy (thanks to hot deals!). at first i was very disappointed with the monitor. everything seemed worst than the samsung dynaflat i had just moved from. it seemed awfully bright at its default settings. i thought i was doing something good for my eyes by buying one (my main concern). however, after using the magictune software and lowering the brightness and contrast the image quality was very good. it took about a week to adjust to the new flickering but now i no longer get headaches or eye strain from staring at my monitor. after about 2 weeks i even brought the brightness back up to the default levels.

like a good pair of jeans, you just need to break it in.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: jrphoenix
Thus the surf board pic in your sig (cute kid) :thumbsup: Maybe a "ron jons" board? I'll let you know if I am heading over that way, it would be cool to meet up!

Ron Jons sux. World's Biggest Kook shop You obviously know that from the icon you chose.

 

[Noid]

You participated in this discussion ...

Why bring it up again ..?

If you monitor is blurry ... then it's got something wrong with it ...

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
I'm just inland of Cocoa Beach J. You get over this way LMK and I'll buy you lunch/dinner@Port Canaveral :beer: You are only an hour so away from here too. Be cool to meet another AT member, only met one so far IRL.

Not too far from me, either. I'm sitting dandily over here in Titusville.

 

[Tiamat]

CRTs can have dead pixels. Its a different type of dead pixel - may not even be called "dead pixel". However, my friend got a 21" viewsonic and in the near center was a black/darkgray dot that never went away, never lighted up. It was not a mark on the glass either.

Another friend had 3 "Dead pixels" on his Gateway (old 19") CRT as well. Anybody know how this happens? personally, i have never had this problem on a CRT...

 

[jrphoenix]

Originally posted by: Avalon

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
I'm just inland of Cocoa Beach J. You get over this way LMK and I'll buy you lunch/dinner@Port Canaveral :beer: You are only an hour so away from here too. Be cool to meet another AT member, only met one so far IRL.

Not too far from me, either. I'm sitting dandily over here in Titusville.

Me in little Haines City Big change moving from 5 years of Phoenix &amp; 2 years of Colorado Springs to this place... We should have a Central FL AT get together / lan party

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Avalon

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
I'm just inland of Cocoa Beach J. You get over this way LMK and I'll buy you lunch/dinner@Port Canaveral :beer: You are only an hour so away from here too. Be cool to meet another AT member, only met one so far IRL.

Not too far from me, either. I'm sitting dandily over here in Titusville.

I think we will have to do a CFL AT meet some day :beer:

 

[Sideswipe001]

Originally posted by: jrphoenix

Wife Factor If you're married and your wife is the only one that cares about home decor, your only choice is an LCD. Save the marriage and go flat

Dingdingding! Hit the nail on the head here. Even my mother, who hardly ever uses the computer harrassed my dad for months until he got her an LCD. From what I understand she still loves it and will sit down at the computer, reach up and stroke the side of the LCD saying "Good monitor!"