LBJ Destroyed African-American Families

[Texashiker]

How about asking more from businesses, you know, those institutions that actually can help people get out of poverty and it has the added benefit of helping only those who actually work.

What businesses are you referring to?

Manufacturing is shifted to overseas.

Most of our steel mills have closed.

The majority of our shipyards are closed.

Its not like a young adult could finish high school, get a job at a local factory, buy a home, buy a car and raise a family like they could in the 1950s.

 

[nehalem256]

For political reasons I suspect Asians are rarely included in race based statistics. Its hard to fit an agenda in a group that has 1/4 the crime rate of whites and lower problem indices across th board.

Generally when you ideology starts with "everything bad is caused by white racism" its very hard to explain a group that was for decades banned from immigrating to the country and had to pay special taxes that didn't applied to whites, and the government considers "more white privilege than whites" when it comes to affirmative action tiers. You know if you have an asian parent and a white parent you are better off claiming you are white because Asians have too much privilege.

Even Hitler counted Asians as white:

Pride in one's own race – and that does not imply contempt for other races – is also a normal and healthy sentiment. I have never regarded the Chinese or the Japanese as being inferior to ourselves. They belong to ancient civilizations, and I admit freely that their past history is superior to our own. They have the right to be proud of their past, just as we have the right to be proud of the civilization to which we belong. Indeed, I believe the more steadfast the Chinese and the Japanese remain in their pride of race, the easier I shall find it to get on with them

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorary_Aryan#To_the_Japanese

 

[alcoholbob]

Even Hitler counted Asians as white:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorary_Aryan#To_the_Japanese

The ideology behind the Nazi Party was Aryan/Nordic Supremacy Theory, Hitler wasn't strictly speaking a white supremacist. He thought the vast majority of Central and Eastern Europeans to be subhuman and killed tens of millions of then, yet he allied himself with Arabs, Persians, and Asians.

Remember it wasnt just Asians but he also gave "honorary Aryan" title to Muslim Iranians. Really i think he conveniently changed his ideology to fit anybody who would side with him.

 

[CitizenKain]

What were the people of the 1940s and 1950s doing right?

Oh, I forgot, that was before liberals destroyed family values.

Having sex with whoever, abortions, welfare, easy access to divorces, no responsibility,,,, everything else that works against core family values.

Which core values were you practicing when you got a divorce and had to be forced to make child support payments?

 

[Texashiker]

Which core values were you practicing when you got a divorce and had to be forced to make child support payments?

The way I see it child support is a type of welfare.

The wife can walk away, get half of everything, take the kids, get child support from the husband and welfare from the state.

The state has made it too easy for parents to separate.

 

[sandorski]

LBJ may have started social programs that contributed to dependency. But I think Nixons war on drugs put the nail in the coffin. Blacks were disproportionately incarcerated due to our drug policies in this country.

Indeed.

 

[Victorian Gray]

The way I see it child support is a type of welfare.

The wife can walk away, get half of everything, take the kids, get child support from the husband and welfare from the state.

The state has made it too easy for parents to separate.

Because it's so much better for 'the family' when the adults can't stand one another. Makes for a great, healthy family atmosphere to raise kids in.

 

[Texashiker]

Because it's so much better for 'the family' when the adults can't stand one another. Makes for a great, healthy family atmosphere to raise kids in.

Ideally parents should work for the betterment of the family.

The government has created a financial incentive for women to have children from multiple fathers. Not only do the mothers get child support, 20% from each father, but they also get welfare and income tax deductions for each child.

A single woman with 3 children from 3 different fathers is looking at getting a lot of money. Not only from the fathers but also from the government.

What is the earned income tax on each child? With 3 kids the mom is looking at getting at something like $7,000+ on the tax return.

When filing a tax return child support is not even supposed to be listed as income

http://www.irs.gov/Help-&-Resources...imony,-Child-Support,-Court-Awards,-Damages-1

When you calculate your gross income to see if you are required to file a tax return, do not include child support payments received.

 

[squarecut1]

On the face of it, the argument has at least some merit. But bear in mind that there has been a significant change in social attitudes since the 60s. The social norms have changed, individualism has increased a lot. That is not due to any government policy

 

[alzan]

Finally, someone gets it.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...r-nfl-player-reveals-what-led-him-to-the-gop/

As a conservative Republican / Libertarian, I am not opposed to welfare or giving someone a helping hand.

The problem starts when families are told if there is someone in the house working, then the benefits will be reduced. If the mother is single, she gets even more benefits.

We need welfare reform.

We need incentives for families to stay together, we need dads working, we need to provide low income families with a clear path out of poverty.

You needed that incentive with your first marriage.

<obligatory> posting in yet another Trollhiker fail thread.

Ya, Affirmative Action is another winner. Needed back then, a crutch now. Let that one go away but then the Al Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons of the world make a living off of race baiting.

So with Affirmative Action gone, businesses would no longer discriminate based on race or ethnicity (nor age, gender, etc.).

Fascinating, do tell us more.

What were the people of the 1940s and 1950s doing right?

Oh, I forgot, that was before liberals destroyed family values.

Having sex with whoever, abortions, welfare, easy access to divorces, no responsibility,,,, everything else that works against core family values.

Yawn!! Old shtick, you need new material.

Let's see, you're a conservative libertarian who helped destroy his family and family values; who knows all about easy access to divorce, aren't you Trollhiker?

 

[squarecut1]

Both the left and right cast blame on different entities.

While there is some merit to it, the fact is that society's own actions and attitudes play a huge part as well. Blame is easy, and politically beneficial. But no one tells people that they need to change as well, as that does not get you any votes or win you popularity contests

 

[Thebobo]

This thread has the makings of a gem.

Also, love the Anarchist420-style naming.

Yes because its from the wacky world of Glenn Beck. Hardly an unbiased site.

 

[ivwshane]

Doesn't look that way to me. Looks like poverty was declining until LBJ initiated his Great Society programs. And has basically flat lined since.

http://www.irp.wisc.edu/faqs/faq3.htm

 

[IGBT]

big gov.santa claus is addictive.

 

[Texashiker]

You needed that incentive with your first marriage.

<obligatory> posting in yet another Trollhiker fail thread.

Do you have anything to contribute besides insults?

Did you at least read the linked article in the opening post?

 

[1prophet]

Because it's so much better for 'the family' when the adults can't stand one another. Makes for a great, healthy family atmosphere to raise kids in.

Except for physical/mental abuse, adultery, and outright negligence, there is this word called compromise were you give a little and try to work together in-spite of ones self and personal desires for the sake of the family,

the children see this and it becomes part of their nature so when they in turn become our present democrat & republican leaders they know to try to work together and compromise for the sake of the country.

 

[nehalem256]

The ideology behind the Nazi Party was Aryan/Nordic Supremacy Theory, Hitler wasn't strictly speaking a white supremacist. He thought the vast majority of Central and Eastern Europeans to be subhuman and killed tens of millions of then, yet he allied himself with Arabs, Persians, and Asians.

Remember it wasnt just Asians but he also gave "honorary Aryan" title to Muslim Iranians. Really i think he conveniently changed his ideology to fit anybody who would side with him.

So kinda like how liberals change the definition of minority to fit their ideology :twisted:

Because it's so much better for 'the family' when the adults can't stand one another. Makes for a great, healthy family atmosphere to raise kids in.

Maybe don't have kids with people you can't stand?:whiste:

Hey you know what also doesn't lead to health atmosphere to raise kids in? Poverty!

You know what drastically increases the chances of a kid living in poverty? Single-motherhood!

 

[nehalem256]

http://www.irp.wisc.edu/faqs/faq3.htm

What point are you trying to make?

 

[HomerJS]

You mean like the Civil Rights Act of 1964 which was filibustered by prominent Democrat Robert Byrd? :hmm:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#Filibuster_of_the_Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

That's all you got one dead guy?

Riddle me this Batman, where did all those racist Dixiecrats go running after those acts passed and have been living in comfort ever since?

 

[ivwshane]

What point are you trying to make?

The link was supposed to be in my previous post. No matter, it's purpose was to show a more complete picture than the chart the poster I responded to posted.

 

[brycejones]

That's all you got one dead guy?

Riddle me this Batman, where did all those racist Dixiecrats go running after those acts passed and have been living in comfort ever since?

That's all Nehalm can come up with. He doesn't always unplug the toaster before making sweet love to it so he is electrocuted on a regular basis.

 

[ivwshane]

That's all you got one dead guy?

Riddle me this Batman, where did all those racist Dixiecrats go running after those acts passed and have been living in comfort ever since?

Don't even bother, he's been told and explained to multiple times in the past about how the parties essentially switched places and he has yet to either acknowledge it or understand it, the same with his cohorts.

 

[feralkid]

Exactly has liberals wanted.

Replace the family with the state.

Toasters don't need a man if they have the man

We knew what you meant.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Never knew so many people were jealous of a toaster.

 

[feralkid]

The ideology behind the Nazi Party was Aryan/Nordic Supremacy Theory, Hitler wasn't strictly speaking a white supremacist. He thought the vast majority of Central and Eastern Europeans to be subhuman and killed tens of millions of then, yet he allied himself with Arabs, Persians, and Asians.

Remember it wasnt just Asians but he also gave "honorary Aryan" title to Muslim Iranians. Really i think he conveniently changed his ideology to fit anybody who would side with him.

Actually, the word Iran is the Persian word for land/place of the Aryans. Persians are the true aryans, regardless of Hitler's crack-pot "honorary" ethnic labels.