Lawsuit Accuses Virginia Republicans Of 'Racial Gerrymandering'

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RICHMOND, Va. (AP) -- Virginia is one of several states where Democrats have gone to court to challenge redistricting plans drawn by Republicans seeking to keep control of the U.S. House of Representatives.

Marc Elias, an attorney for the National Democratic Redistricting Trust, represents two Virginia voters in a lawsuit that accuses the General Assembly of "racial gerrymandering" by improperly packing African-Americans into the state's only black-majority congressional district to make adjacent districts safer for GOP incumbents. A trial is set for this month.

"We're trying to remedy what we believe is an unconstitutional map drawn by the legislature," Elias said.

Democrats have also challenged GOP-drawn redistricting plans in other states -- including Texas, Florida, Nevada and Missouri -- but they are not alone in employing the tactic. Republicans also have asked courts to invalidate Democrat-produced remapping in a few states.

"It's not unusual at all to see whichever party feels aggrieved to try to correct what they think is unfair damage through the courts," said Justin Levitt, a law professor and redistricting expert at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. "It's just that you're seeing more lawsuits by Democrats because Republicans were in control of more redistricting."

This isn't the first lawsuit challenging Virginia's reapportionment plan. State and federal courts previously dismissed lawsuits claiming the General Assembly violated a state constitutional provision by failing to complete redistricting until 2012, a year late.

Ethnic groups and others have also brought redistricting lawsuits in some states, Levitt said. So far in this redistricting cycle, he said, 208 lawsuits have been filed dealing with state legislative or congressional redistricting, or both. The National Conference of State Legislatures says 28 lawsuits remain active in nine states.

States redraw legislative and congressional districts after every decennial census to adjust for population shifts. The exercise creates the opportunity for gerrymandering -- the manipulation of district boundaries, usually to achieve a partisan advantage.

The complaint on U.S. District Judge Robert Payne's docket for May 20 alleges that lawmakers made race the main criteria in redistricting, reaching into heavily black neighborhoods to pull voters into the black-majority 3rd Congressional District even if it meant splitting precincts and ignoring "communities of interest." The plaintiffs want Payne to postpone the June primaries and impose a new redistricting plan if the General Assembly fails to do so within a couple of weeks.

Elias declined to say how the plaintiffs, 3rd district residents Gloria Person-Huballah and James Farkas, became involved. Person-Huballah said she was "made aware of the opportunity" to become a plaintiff but declined to elaborate, and Farkas refused to comment.

State Attorney General Mark Herring is representing the defendants, the Virginia State Board of Elections, even though he opposed the redistricting plan as a Democratic member of the state Senate.

"In 2012, he voted against this redistricting plan, but this case is about what the law allows, not Attorney General Herring's policy preference, and these districts were lawfully drawn," Herring spokesman Michael Kelly said in an email.

The lawsuit claims that by increasing the 3rd district's black voting-age population from 53.1 percent to 56.3 percent, lawmakers improperly diluted minority influence in surrounding districts.

"Race was the predominant consideration in the creation of Congressional District 3," the lawsuit says. "No other factor explains the tortured shape of this district, its failure to comply with traditional districting principles or the high concentration of African-American voters in the district."

The elections board says in court papers that the plaintiffs cannot prove that race rather than politics was the main consideration. The board notes that the redistricting plan benefited GOP incumbents in the four districts surrounding Democratic U.S. Rep. Bobby Scott's 3rd district. There is no federal law that prohibits drawing maps that favor one party over another.

The district also received the required U.S. Justice Department approval under the Voting Rights Act, which the board says is a defense against the lawsuit.

An alternative redistricting plan filed by the plaintiffs would reduce black voting strength in the 3rd district to 50.2 percent. The board says in its pretrial brief that the alternative plan would shift a large number of black voters to a swing district currently represented by Republican U.S. Rep. Scott Rigell, making it a heavily Democratic district "in direct violation of the General Assembly's legitimate political, incumbency-protection and core-preservation goals."

The 3rd district stretches from Norfolk northwesterly into Richmond, with an arm jutting into heavily black Petersburg. The Newport News portion of the district is horseshoe-shaped. The plaintiffs describe the district's appearance as "a series of islands connected over land by other districts and over water by the broad James River."

A member of the steering committee of a Virginia redistricting reform organization agreed that the district looks peculiar.

"It is clear that you could design a district that complies with the Voting Rights Act that is not so horribly gerrymandered," said Terry Cooper of OneVirginia2021, which wants Virginia to turn redistricting over to a nonpartisan commission but takes no position on the lawsuit.

The 3rd has been a black-majority district since 1991. Scott, the state's only black congressman, was elected in 1992 and has easily won his nine re-election bids.

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cubby1223

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Republican controlled states have Democrats suing them for gerrymandering. Democrat controlled states have Republicans suing them for gerrymandering.
 

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Yea file this under DUHHHHHH...

Both parties do this but republicans have really gone full tilt in the last Gerrymandering re-draws.
 

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This is why we need a system of non-partisan (or more accurately, mixed partisan) voters / a commission deciding this, rather than lawmakers. California's done it, lots of other countries have done it, it's ridiculous to let this kind of manipulation happen.
 

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If given a free hand at this gerrymandering scheme by both sides, it seems the Repubs would come out way ahead of this game, in the sense that when looking to the future, the "Party of Inclusion" will continually grow while the "Party of Exclusion" will continually shrink.

Thus, by gerrymandering districts whereby the "Party of Exclusion" can keep control of State legislatures and Administrations while being solidly in the minority, they would give themselves a much longer period of time to keep their agenda and ideology in play before they eventually get overwhelmed or morph themselves into a wholly different creature that can level the playing field demographics-wise.
 

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If given a free hand at this gerrymandering scheme by both sides, it seems the Repubs would come out way ahead of this game, in the sense that when looking to the future, the "Party of Inclusion" will continually grow while the "Party of Exclusion" will continually shrink.

Thus, by gerrymandering districts whereby the "Party of Exclusion" can keep control of State legislatures and Administrations while being solidly in the minority, they would give themselves a much longer period of time to keep their agenda and ideology in play before they eventually get overwhelmed or morph themselves into a wholly different creature that can level the playing field demographics-wise.


They have. In the last couple of elections Dem's got more votes for house rep's but republicans still have control due to gerrymandering.

I think it was AZ that went to a non-partisan panel to draw the lines and the Republican governor fired them, court made them hire them back, and then sued after they saw the way it was re-drawn.

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Yep it was AZ
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...t-head-of-state-redistricting-commission.html

The current republican party is already in trouble and gerrymandering is their last hope before the party really has to change.
 

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"Race was the predominant consideration in the creation of Congressional District 3," the lawsuit says. "No other factor explains the tortured shape of this district, its failure to comply with traditional districting principles or the high concentration of African-American voters in the district."

The elections board says in court papers that the plaintiffs cannot prove that race rather than politics was the main consideration. The board notes that the redistricting plan benefited GOP incumbents in the four districts surrounding Democratic U.S. Rep. Bobby Scott's 3rd district. There is no federal law that prohibits drawing maps that favor one party over another.

Considering that blacks vote 90%+ Democrat this would seem to be true.
 

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When they can't win based on the merits, cheat. LOL Good ole Republican logic... oh well.
 

fskimospy

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When they can't win based on the merits, cheat. LOL Good ole Republican logic... oh well.

It is interesting that when faced with declining popularity of their party platform that Republicans have resorted to attempting to change the electorate as opposed to changing themselves. I wonder how long they can keep this up?
 

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What would be more fair? All square-shaped districts? Districts are going to have weird shapes by their very nature.
 

cubby1223

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It is interesting that when faced with declining popularity of their party platform that Republicans have resorted to attempting to change the electorate as opposed to changing themselves. I wonder how long they can keep this up?

I live in Illinois where the Democrats have gerrymandered themselves supermajority control of the state government, it was easy to do, they take incumbent Republican representatives who live near each other, and redraw the maps to place them in the same district. So where there would have otherwise been two races each having an incumbent Republican running, now there is one race where one of the two incumbents is knocked out, and a second race for an open seat (easier to win).

Gerrymandering is a tactic used by both sides to their own personal benefit.

By your logic the Democrats don't ever need to gerrymander. So then why do they? Because it works, and because Democrats want to win.
 

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Redistricting is something that politicians shouldn't be in control of. Handle it like jury duty if you have to.
 

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I can fix this, require districts to be formed with a 45/45 party vote split. Let the independents pick the winner.
 

fskimospy

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I live in Illinois where the Democrats have gerrymandered themselves supermajority control of the state government, it was easy to do, they take incumbent Republican representatives who live near each other, and redraw the maps to place them in the same district. So where there would have otherwise been two races each having an incumbent Republican running, now there is one race where one of the two incumbents is knocked out, and a second race for an open seat (easier to win).

Gerrymandering is a tactic used by both sides to their own personal benefit.

By your logic the Democrats don't ever need to gerrymander. So then why do they? Because it works, and because Democrats want to win.

Gerrymandering is something used by both sides, yes. In recent years it has been used far more by Republicans than Democrats, however. Interestingly, this has coincided with a general move away from the Republican Party platform and a steep decline in partisan ID. Generally this would be viewed as a reason to moderate, but they haven't done so. Instead things like voter ID and more extensive gerrymandering have happened. I just think that's interesting.
 

fskimospy

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I can fix this, require districts to be formed with a 45/45 party vote split. Let the independents pick the winner.

Not really possible in many cases. Also, independents are frequently not actually independents, they are simply partisans that don't like to broadcast it.
 

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I think we should get rid of gerrymandering altogether, and go back to popular vote.
 

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Gerrymandering is something used by both sides, yes. In recent years it has been used far more by Republicans than Democrats, however. Interestingly, this has coincided with a general move away from the Republican Party platform and a steep decline in partisan ID. Generally this would be viewed as a reason to moderate, but they haven't done so. Instead things like voter ID and more extensive gerrymandering have happened. I just think that's interesting.

Republicans control more state governments (I think) than Democrats, so that is natural.

It's a topic that must be applied to both parties.

In Illinois pension funding has been a big topic for so long, it's a massive drain on the state's economy, and the Dems haven't shown much interest in solving it because their control is pretty much secured thanks in part to gerrymandering. The pension problem is so bad that our Democrat governor even used his line item veto power last year to cut legislature salaries out of the budget until they correct the pension problems... lasted as long as the court case to declare that veto unconstitutional... the point is shit happens in both parties. This should be a clear-cut example for the party in control to finally get done what needs to get done for the state in the worst economic condition of all the nation, but they refuse to do what's needed for the majority of the citizens, in order to consolidate power for themselves.

There is finally a push in Illinois gaining momentum to take redistricting powers away from the legislature that I believe is going to be placed on the next ballot.

But at the core of the issue, gerrymandering is just one tool for a political party to stay in power, and is done independently of their desires to conform to public wishes or not.

Personally I don't believe Republicans will fix the problems in Illinois either - they are just all completely separate issues.
 
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fskimospy

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Republicans control more state governments (I think) than Democrats, so that is natural.

It's a topic that must be applied to both parties.

In Illinois pension funding has been a big topic for so long, it's a massive drain on the state's economy, and the Dems haven't shown much interest in solving it because their control is pretty much secured thanks in part to gerrymandering. The pension problem is so bad that our Democrat governor even used his line item veto power last year to cut legislature salaries out of the budget until they correct the pension problems... lasted as long as the court case to declare that veto unconstitutional... the point is shit happens in both parties. This should be a clear-cut example for the party in control to finally get done what needs to get done for the state in the worst economic condition of all the nation, but they refuse to do what's needed for the majority of the citizens, in order to consolidate power for themselves.

While Illinois is not doing particularly well economically, it's definitely not the state in the worst economic condition in the country.

There is finally a push in Illinois gaining momentum to take redistricting powers away from the legislature that I believe is going to be placed on the next ballot.

I think this should be done in every state.

But at the core of the issue, gerrymandering is just one tool for a political party to stay in power, and is done independently of their desires to conform to public wishes or not.

Personally I don't believe Republicans will fix the problems in Illinois either - they are just all completely separate issues.

While this is true, in practice gerrymandering is simply not done equally by both parties. It is done far more by Republicans. Perhaps Democrats would do the same if given the opportunity (although places like California show that's not necessarily the case).
 
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What would be more fair? All square-shaped districts? Districts are going to have weird shapes by their very nature.

Have a look at Illinois 4th district. Miles of a highway median were included in that district just to ensure that completely unattached regions were part of the same district. It's absurd and not alone. Just one of the more ridiculous ones.
 
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This is why we need a system of non-partisan (or more accurately, mixed partisan) voters / a commission deciding this, rather than lawmakers. California's done it, lots of other countries have done it, it's ridiculous to let this kind of manipulation happen.

^^This although I would be interested to see how this works, do you elect people who set the maps? How does a person keep money out of that election?
 

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Republican controlled states have Democrats suing them for gerrymandering. Democrat controlled states have Republicans suing them for gerrymandering.

Ding, winnar.

Whichever side is in power tries to get the districts drawn up to maximize their benefit. The other side howls in protest. News at 11.
 

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When can we expect Democrats to start suing Illinois for racial gerrymandering?

The 4th Congressional District of Illinois includes part of Cook County, and has been represented by Democrat Luis Gutiérrez since January 1993.

It was featured by The Economist as one of the most strangely drawn and gerrymandered congressional districts in the country[3] and has been nicknamed "earmuffs" due to its shape.[4] It was created to contain two majority Hispanic parts of Chicago.

This district covers two strips running east-west across the city of Chicago, Illinois on the west side continuing into smaller portions of some suburban areas in Cook County, surrounding Illinois' 7th congressional district. The northern portion is largely Puerto Rican, while the southern portion is heavily Mexican. The two sections are on opposite sides of the city and are only connected by a piece of Interstate 294 to the west; the highway is in the district while the surrounding areas are not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois's_4th_congressional_district

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Republican controlled states have Democrats suing them for gerrymandering. Democrat controlled states have Republicans suing them for gerrymandering.
that's easy to say...you have links to support your bloviations?
 

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I live in Illinois where the Democrats have gerrymandered themselves supermajority control of the state government, it was easy to do, they take incumbent Republican representatives who live near each other, and redraw the maps to place them in the same district. So where there would have otherwise been two races each having an incumbent Republican running, now there is one race where one of the two incumbents is knocked out, and a second race for an open seat (easier to win).

Gerrymandering is a tactic used by both sides to their own personal benefit.

By your logic the Democrats don't ever need to gerrymander. So then why do they? Because it works, and because Democrats want to win.
You have no proof that is what happened! It sounds like you are a republican who is crying because there are not a lot of republicans in your state! Learn what the word "gerrymander" means...
 
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