Lawn experts - what is a decent price for dethatch/seed?

spidey07

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My yard is looking like a mess. The sod never really took well and now the yard is 6+ years old. Tons of weeds, tons of thatch and the extreme drought in the area hasn't been kind.

I called a lawn restoration service, they recommended a "total kill" for the yard, dethatch and powerseed. Didn't like the idea of killing everything, but their the "experts", right?

Measely 10000 sqft yard
Total kill, dethatch, powerseed = $2,800!!!!
OR
Just dethatch, powerseed = $1,400!!!!

That seems way off given that it's probably only a day or two of work at the most. Or is this stuff really that expensive?
 

Mo0o

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I have no idea on the pricing but would that include equipment + man hours etc?
 

KK

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crazy price. 1400 to kill, that must be some decent round up.
 

Vette73

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What me and the wife did was posion the yard and kill EVERYTHING. Then used a tiller (large rear tiller Craftsman) and tilled the whole front yard. Went through it and removed any large clumps of dead groth and all the major rocks. Then put some seed down and raked the yard by hand to get the seed in the soil. Watered and as soon as there was some groth we put down a little starter fert. and that came out real good. Very hard work even with the tiller, but it looks great now.
 

slsmnaz

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
What me and the wife did was posion the yard and kill EVERYTHING. Then used a tiller (large rear tiller Craftsman) and tilled the whole front yard. Went through it and removed any large clumps of dead groth and all the major rocks. Then put some seed down and raked the yard by hand to get the seed in the soil. Watered and as soon as there was some groth we put down a little starter fert. and that came out real good. Very hard work even with the tiller, but it looks great now.

I just got done with the same project a few weeks ago. I think it will cost $300-400 (and 2 weekends) when we get done but should be well worth it. The yard was a mess and had no choice.
 

Sluggo

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I think if you start this fall with proper fertilization, and de-thatch yourself next spring, followed my a good weedkiller, then some overseeding you can save yourself about $1200, and still have a nice yard.
 

akshatp

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We just got our 13,000 sq ft completely redone. The landscapers removed about 2-3inches off the top of existing turf/weed/clay/etc, then leveled what remained. They then brought in about 60 cu yds of fresh screened topsoil and graded the property with it.

Next day, seeded (not power), put down fert and then hay to cover. They also put a 2 ft section of mulch around the house and also along the property lines on the perimeter. Total cost = $2900

They did a great job. We water every day for 15 minutes at 5 am (sprinkler system) and in 2.5 wks we already have a thick beautiful lawn. Best on our street, which is 2 years old. There are some rogue weeds but they are hard to find and the landscaper told us we will see some now and then, but next year when we spray it will take care of them.

They are also coming back next week to "overseed" the property and re-fertilize prior to the cold weather.

All in all, I was skeptical of them at first, but they did a tremendous job. And at a price which was half of what others were charging.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: akshatp
We just got our 13,000 sq ft completely redone. The landscapers removed about 2-3inches off the top of existing turf/weed/clay/etc, then leveled what remained. They then brought in about 60 cu yds of fresh screened topsoil and graded the property with it.

Next day, seeded (not power), put down fert and then hay to cover. They also put a 2 ft section of mulch around the house and also along the property lines on the perimeter. Total cost = $2900

They did a great job. We water every day for 15 minutes at 5 am (sprinkler system) and in 2.5 wks we already have a thick beautiful lawn. Best on our street, which is 2 years old. There are some rogue weeds but they are hard to find and the landscaper told us we will see some now and then, but next year when we spray it will take care of them.

They are also coming back next week to "overseed" the property and re-fertilize prior to the cold weather.

All in all, I was skeptical of them at first, but they did a tremendous job. And at a price which was half of what others were charging.

Wow!

Now THAT'S how you get a new lawn, properly. Especially the topsoil. I'd gladly pay that for a truely new lawn. That's an incrediblely awesome price for that kind of work.

I'm still in awe that you got all that work for that price. How many man hours you think? The removal of the soil and material cost for topsoil/equipment would be 2900 alone I'd think. Not to mention everything else.

I think this guy just doesn't want my business, because I've still got sticker shock. I'm going to offer him 500 for the dethatch/powerseed because that's what I feel it's worth for one day. Problem is the clock is ticking with each day for me being so late in the year.
 

akshatp

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: akshatp
We just got our 13,000 sq ft completely redone. The landscapers removed about 2-3inches off the top of existing turf/weed/clay/etc, then leveled what remained. They then brought in about 60 cu yds of fresh screened topsoil and graded the property with it.

Next day, seeded (not power), put down fert and then hay to cover. They also put a 2 ft section of mulch around the house and also along the property lines on the perimeter. Total cost = $2900

They did a great job. We water every day for 15 minutes at 5 am (sprinkler system) and in 2.5 wks we already have a thick beautiful lawn. Best on our street, which is 2 years old. There are some rogue weeds but they are hard to find and the landscaper told us we will see some now and then, but next year when we spray it will take care of them.

They are also coming back next week to "overseed" the property and re-fertilize prior to the cold weather.

All in all, I was skeptical of them at first, but they did a tremendous job. And at a price which was half of what others were charging.

Wow!

Now THAT'S how you get a new lawn, properly. Especially the topsoil. I'd gladly pay that for a truely new lawn. That's an incrediblely awesome price for that kind of work.

I'm still in awe that you got all that work for that price. How many man hours you think? The removal of the soil and material cost for topsoil/equipment would be 2900 alone I'd think. Not to mention everything else.

I think this guy just doesn't want my business, because I've still got sticker shock. I'm going to offer him 500 for the dethatch/powerseed because that's what I feel it's worth for one day. Problem is the clock is ticking with each day for me being so late in the year.

Yea, best time would have been mid September, and now that I think about it, its been close to a month already since we had this done! Damn!!

Like you, I was amazed and in awe at the price, which is why I was skeptical at first. As for man hours, I didnt keep track to closely, but here is what I would guesstimate at:

Day 1: Breakup of turf with digger/claw - 1 guy 4 hours
Day 2: Removal of existing crap - 5 guys 8 hours
Day 3: Grade with new topsoil and prepare yard for seed - 5 or 6 guys 8 hours
Day 4: Final grading and Seed, fertilize and hay - 3 guys 6 hours
Day 5: Laydown mulch - 2 guys 3 hours

So figure about 100 hours give or take. Add to that the cost of topsoil, seed, fert, hay, mulch I dont know how this guy made any money.

Each day, the owner came by throughout the day and kept checking on his guys and even helped out sometimes. He was extremely friendly and we even gave him another job at our old house that we are trying to sell. He removed 8 huge tree stumps for $700!!!

We have been recommending him HARD to our neighbors and family/friends, so maybe that is what he wanted. Or maybe he underestimated the work and couldnt go back on his word. On the contract, he actully had put down $2700, but verbally we had agreed to $2900 so when it came time to pay I gladly paid him the full $2900.

Each day we repeatedly offered the workers soda/water/snacks/etc and I think they really appreciated it because at the end of each work day, they completely tidied up everything, even sprayed the driveway/sidewalk/walkway clear of any kicked up dirt/grass/etc. They didnt speak English very well, but they did a great job.

I really hope some of our neighbors give him work, because our builder didnt do a good job with grading/seeding and everyones lawn is either dead, or non-existent and yards are full of weeds.

Ill try and take pics tomorrow; I wish I was taking them daily to show and track progression.


PS The cheapest quote I got from bigger, more established landscaping companies was $6100, and my highest quote came in at $9,700 from the guys who installed our sprinkler system. So while I wouldnt expect to pay 2900 for all that, you can certainly negotiate it down or find a cheaper option.

This company has no website, no phone listing in Google, and uses a personal GMAIL account as their company email. When I asked where I could see his work, he told me to drive 65 miles to see his last job. For some reason, my father said he had a gut feeling that this man was the one to go with, and I was against it from the start; but trust me, I am hearing the I told you so's, and rightly so.
 

akshatp

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Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
but their the "experts", right?

they're

Jeez. You really think you had to post that grammatical correction??? I mean, did it really give you some sort of fulfillment of joy? Make your life complete, did it?

Is that how you got all of you're 25,000 posts?
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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Originally posted by: akshatp
Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
but their the "experts", right?

they're

Jeez. You really think you had to post that grammatical correction??? I mean, did it really give you some sort of fulfillment of joy? Make your life complete, did it?

Is that how you got all of you're 25,000 posts?
Hehe, it does feel satisfying, after all, this is spidey07 ;)
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Originally posted by: akshatp
Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
but their the "experts", right?

they're

Jeez. You really think you had to post that grammatical correction??? I mean, did it really give you some sort of fulfillment of joy? Make your life complete, did it?

Is that how you got all of you're 25,000 posts?
Hehe, it does feel satisfying, after all, this is spidey07 ;)

<Chandler>
Could you USE any more commas????!!!! Do you just sprinkle them around like pixie dust?

akshatp,

What you saw was a guy trying to break into the neighborhood or somebody starting out (more likely the former). He's trying to get customers and undercutting (tremendously) the competition. He probably knows the guys that put down your lawn and he's following around to fix their crap.

For what he/they did, keep spreading the word and help him out.

There are two reasons why somebody severely underbids:

1) Low quality, but there is a reason
2) High quality and trying to get in. Willing to do what it takes for future business.
 

KK

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Originally posted by: akshatp
Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
but their the "experts", right?

they're

Jeez. You really think you had to post that grammatical correction??? I mean, did it really give you some sort of fulfillment of joy? Make your life complete, did it?

Is that how you got all of you're 25,000 posts?
Hehe, it does feel satisfying, after all, this is spidey07 ;)

<Chandler>
Could you USE any more commas????!!!! Do you just sprinkle them around like pixie dust?

Yet he doesn't use a "." to end his sentence. :p
 

akshatp

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Lets get back to the original subject of this thread... Spidey in case you missed my reply, scroll up...
 

RKS

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We rented an aerator as well as a seed-slitter. For a whole day I believe it was about $100.
 

NoShangriLa

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whole sale price for that much of seeds going to cost more than $500, and then they have to soak/germinate the seeds, and hydroseeding it with mulch after the lawn has been sprayed & thatched.

You can cut the the cost a bit by going with dry seeding, but the seed will take longer to germinate during that time your lawn is more susceptible to weeds because it give the weeds more time to make a comeback.

The owner of the company isn't going to make much more than $500 after paying for everything. And, the choice is your to have dead lawn or a nice lawn.

Personally I would add more top soil (at least 2", but preferably 4" or more) then cough up the $$$ for a professional design under ground sprinkler system, then have it seeded or resod.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: akshatp
Lets get back to the original subject of this thread... Spidey in case you missed my reply, scroll up...

I did. You got a heck of a deal. Good work at a good price.

Removing 8 stumps for 700 bucks???!!!

You better hold on to his number.
 

NoShangriLa

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: akshatp
Lets get back to the original subject of this thread... Spidey in case you missed my reply, scroll up...

I did. You got a heck of a deal. Good work at a good price.

Removing 8 stumps for 700 bucks???!!!

You better hold on to his number.
How big was the stumps?

was any of the trees bigger than 12" diameter?

 

akshatp

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Originally posted by: NoShangriLa
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: akshatp
Lets get back to the original subject of this thread... Spidey in case you missed my reply, scroll up...

I did. You got a heck of a deal. Good work at a good price.

Removing 8 stumps for 700 bucks???!!!

You better hold on to his number.
How big was the stumps?

was any of the trees bigger than 12" diameter?

LOL all of them were... The biggest one was easily 20" around. Probably bigger.