Laura Bush Heckled during speech

[GoodToGo]

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger

Originally posted by: GoodToGo
I dont think we know the whole story over here. Why did her son join the army? Did he specifically do it to go and fight in Iraq? If that is the case, then he believed that the cause in Iraq was "just" and that the US was taking out a dangerous dictator. At the time when the Iraq war started, Bush had sold the Iraq war as being necessary to US national security becuase of terrorists, WMD's blah blah. Of course, all those connections have been debunked now (and by the government appointed panels nonetheless) and so there may be a sense of betrayal among some of the people serving among the army. This woman may feel that her son was tricked into going into war and that he would have not gone if he was presented with the facts initially. Of course as I said, we dont know the whole story.

The whole story is this: her son enlisted/volunteer in the armed forces.

Enough say

I appreciate what you have done in the army but dont you think that the soldiers should have a mind of their own? Following orders is fine but I would expect the soldiers to be able to think about the conflict with an open mind. Following our leaders like sheep is not a good idea!

 

[jyates]

Originally posted by: GoodToGo

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger

Originally posted by: GoodToGo
I dont think we know the whole story over here. Why did her son join the army? Did he specifically do it to go and fight in Iraq? If that is the case, then he believed that the cause in Iraq was "just" and that the US was taking out a dangerous dictator. At the time when the Iraq war started, Bush had sold the Iraq war as being necessary to US national security becuase of terrorists, WMD's blah blah. Of course, all those connections have been debunked now (and by the government appointed panels nonetheless) and so there may be a sense of betrayal among some of the people serving among the army. This woman may feel that her son was tricked into going into war and that he would have not gone if he was presented with the facts initially. Of course as I said, we dont know the whole story.

The whole story is this: her son enlisted/volunteer in the armed forces.

Enough say

I appreciate what you have done in the army but dont you think that the soldiers should have a mind of their own? Following orders is fine but I would expect the soldiers to be able to think about the conflict with an open mind. Following our leaders like sheep is not a good idea!

That's going to make for a pretty interesting group of armed forces.

We have "don't ask - don't tell" and then we'll have "I don't agree
with the policies and objectives of the commander so I'm staying at home".

Next thing you know we'll be taken over by some small island in the south
pacific. 🙂

 

[GreasyBurger]

Originally posted by: GoodToGo

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger

Originally posted by: GoodToGo
I dont think we know the whole story over here. Why did her son join the army? Did he specifically do it to go and fight in Iraq? If that is the case, then he believed that the cause in Iraq was "just" and that the US was taking out a dangerous dictator. At the time when the Iraq war started, Bush had sold the Iraq war as being necessary to US national security becuase of terrorists, WMD's blah blah. Of course, all those connections have been debunked now (and by the government appointed panels nonetheless) and so there may be a sense of betrayal among some of the people serving among the army. This woman may feel that her son was tricked into going into war and that he would have not gone if he was presented with the facts initially. Of course as I said, we dont know the whole story.

The whole story is this: her son enlisted/volunteer in the armed forces.

Enough say

I appreciate what you have done in the army but dont you think that the soldiers should have a mind of their own? Following orders is fine but I would expect the soldiers to be able to think about the conflict with an open mind. Following our leaders like sheep is not a good idea!

My enlistment oath. Read it, love it, memorize it and STFU. Servicemen is not for expressing our political views, but we help to protect it.


OATH

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger

Originally posted by: GoodToGo

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger

Originally posted by: GoodToGo
I dont think we know the whole story over here. Why did her son join the army? Did he specifically do it to go and fight in Iraq? If that is the case, then he believed that the cause in Iraq was "just" and that the US was taking out a dangerous dictator. At the time when the Iraq war started, Bush had sold the Iraq war as being necessary to US national security becuase of terrorists, WMD's blah blah. Of course, all those connections have been debunked now (and by the government appointed panels nonetheless) and so there may be a sense of betrayal among some of the people serving among the army. This woman may feel that her son was tricked into going into war and that he would have not gone if he was presented with the facts initially. Of course as I said, we dont know the whole story.

The whole story is this: her son enlisted/volunteer in the armed forces.

Enough say

I appreciate what you have done in the army but dont you think that the soldiers should have a mind of their own? Following orders is fine but I would expect the soldiers to be able to think about the conflict with an open mind. Following our leaders like sheep is not a good idea!

My enlistment oath. Read it, love it, memorize it and STFU. Servicemen is not for expressing our political views, but we help to protect it.


OATH

pwned.

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: alm4rr

Originally posted by: Amused
Wait, so you guys think disrupting speeches is a right?

How many protesters has the other side had removed from their speeches? Just as many, I suspect.

Your freedom of speech does not give you the right to disrupt public OR private events.

When I saw Clinton speak during 96, there was a heckler there with a poster .... Clinton actually defended the guy. He then stopped yelling and Bill continuted with his speech... The crowd there didn't like the heckler, (everyone boo'd 😀 ) but everyone there respected this guy's right in speaking out

oh noes clinton was the debil tho!

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: GoodToGo

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger

Originally posted by: GoodToGo
I dont think we know the whole story over here. Why did her son join the army? Did he specifically do it to go and fight in Iraq? If that is the case, then he believed that the cause in Iraq was "just" and that the US was taking out a dangerous dictator. At the time when the Iraq war started, Bush had sold the Iraq war as being necessary to US national security becuase of terrorists, WMD's blah blah. Of course, all those connections have been debunked now (and by the government appointed panels nonetheless) and so there may be a sense of betrayal among some of the people serving among the army. This woman may feel that her son was tricked into going into war and that he would have not gone if he was presented with the facts initially. Of course as I said, we dont know the whole story.

The whole story is this: her son enlisted/volunteer in the armed forces.

Enough say

I appreciate what you have done in the army but dont you think that the soldiers should have a mind of their own? Following orders is fine but I would expect the soldiers to be able to think about the conflict with an open mind. Following our leaders like sheep is not a good idea!

Are you serious?
Yeah, let's make our military system one where we ask soldiers if they'd like to do certain tasks.
When you enlist, there is NO political disagreement clause. You can't change your mind just because you decide you don't agree with the reasons for the war. You agree to serve your country and do what you are asked to do by the president and your officers. There is no possible way you could run a military if people only had to follow the orders that they wanted to follow.

That said, I can only imagine how this woman must feel. Especially if she believes this war was unjustified and unneccessary. I truly feel sorrow for her loss and I don't fault her for her actions at the speech at all. I also don't fault the authorities for removing her. I hope they don't end up actually prosecuting her on any charges. She should have been removed, but not charged.

 

[rudder]

what the hell.... P&N got so full of crap it spilled into OT.

 

[rdgr8]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Pers
laura bush is a murderer.

just like you are a moron.

...definitely.

 

[FoBoT]

this sounds somehow related to politics

and the fact that you linked to a news story implies it is NEWS related

P&N

 

[virtueixi]

Maybe her son didn't agree with the war which made her upset? Bush didn't even serve in the military, which probably made her even more upset. Laura Bush is fvkin ugly, which makes me upset.

 

[NogginBoink]

Originally posted by: IHYLN

Originally posted by: fooshkee
what i don't understand is.... this lady's son... he willingly signed up to be in the army - he was not forced to do it... when you join the armed forces - there's a chance you could die... hello... it's not supposed to be easy... while it's sad he died, he's the one that joined the branch that put him in that position...

he was forced to go to an unjustified war. hello...

Right. We should let the soldiers choose which wars they go to. :roll:

When you sign up for the armed forces, you agree to defend the nation's interests. You have no say in wher you go or what you do... the government does that. And, golly gee! There's a chance you might get into armed combat and die as a result.

The situation in Iraq is unfortunate. But we have an armed forces made up of volunteers, who all knew when they enlisted that they might get into armed conflict one day. If this mom didn't want her kid in that situation, she shouldn't have allowed him to enlist.

Whether the current military campaign is right or wrong is immaterial. It could have been another war that you think is "justified" and her son would have been just as dead.

 

[azazyel]

- how is what she did any different than someone standing up during the middle of "Fahrenheit 9/11" and yelling at the screen? I would want them kicked the hell out too.

- why does loosing a loved one in Iraq all of a sudden mean that their opinions mean more than others?

 

[TitanDiddly]

:thumbsdown:

 

[GreasyBurger]

Some of you armchair-commandos-liberal-hippies crack me up. This is not Vietnam era anymore. This is a professional, all-volunteer armed forces where every servicemember are volunteer to serve their country or whatever the cause. Are you hippies having doubt that those men and women in uniform aren't intelligence enough to read the fine prints on their enlistment oath?

 

[jyates]

Originally posted by: virtueixi
Maybe her son didn't agree with the war which made her upset? Bush didn't even serve in the military, which probably made her even more upset. Laura Bush is fvkin ugly, which makes me upset.

1. He was a solider and I assume he understood what being a solider meant and since he joined of his own free will (no draft remember) he didn't have the option to "defer out".

2. As far as I know, serving in the military isn't a requirement for being President of the United States of America.

3. I've looked around this country pretty well and you must be upset ALL THE TIME. 🙂

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: azazyel
- how is what she did any different than someone standing up during the middle of "Fahrenheit 9/11" and yelling at the screen? I would want them kicked the hell out too.

Agreed.

- why does loosing a loved one in Iraq all of a sudden mean that their opinions mean more than others?

It doesn't. But it does make her actions more understandable considering the emotional trauma she has been through.

 

[alm4rr]

THREAD RIOT!!!!!!!

*picks up chair and throws into the crowd*