Latest tripe from Republicans for their idiot base. Socialists are Nazis

HomerJS

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That's the only explination for these Republican politicians to keep putting out this nonsense. They know their base are stupid and will believe anything they are told.

“For more than two years, Socialist Democrats and their fake news media allies, CNN, MSNBC, the New York Times, Washington Post, and countless others … have perpetrated the biggest political lie, con, scam and fraud in American history," Brooks declared. Brooks also said — incorrectly — that Hitler was a socialist. “The author was Socialist Adolph Hitler in his book, 'Mein Kampf,'” the Alabama Republican claimed.

During a Judiciary Committee hearing on a GOP resolution seeking information from the Justice Department on whether Trump obstructed justice during the Mueller probe — the special counsel didn’t determine one way or the other — Gohmert raised the issue again.

Gohmert said he feared that a runaway Justice Department could enable a future president — not Trump, he emphasized — from becoming an authoritarian. Gohmert worried that all it would take is "another socialist like Hitler to come along."

I guess this means the Democratic People's Republic of Korea has a "Democratic" system of government

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/26/congress-socialist-nazi-debate-1237472
 

soundforbjt

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That's their big running point for 2020, socialists are ebil and all Dems are socialists.
You don't want America to turn into Venezuela do you?
 

whm1974

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Well Hitler and the Nazis were fascists and fascism is a form of Socialism that is well to the Right.
 

Franz316

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The realities of the 21st century require a more progressive government. You can't cling to 1850's ideals in the coming decades. Luckily the younger generations know this and what we're seeing now is the last dying gasps of the right. They will try every erronious, missleading, and scare tactic in the book. Give it a decade or so, but the overarching trend will be a more socialist US. Demographics will soundly make that decision.
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(https://www.people-press.org/2018/03/20/1-trends-in-party-affiliation-among-demographic-groups/)
 

woolfe9998

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Except that's not really what happened. Hitler was quiet friendly to capitalists, especially if he was getting a cut, which he did. Basically a kleptocracy.

He was friendly to industrialists because he depended on them for military production. Which is why he executed any party leadership who were or resembled socialists in 1934. Also replaced the labor unions with Nazi front organizations whose purpose was to get workers in line with Nazism.

The appendage of "socialism" to the name of the party was a populist pitch to gain support of German workers. There is no essential connection between fascism and socialism. You could be fascist and pursue some socialist policies, or not.
 

sportage

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Republicans will TRY to make this the issue. Socialism.
But they will fail.
This is kindergarten behavior at best and it may have worked in the past, but not any more.
Too many people are hurting regardless of how great Trump pretends things are, or how great the CEO's are doing.
The general population doesn't care about Fox News and their name calling or the Hannity BS.
The general population are not afraid of labeling from the right wing.
The general population WANTS healthcare for all, regardless what republicans want to call it.
The general population WANTS affordable college where the student is not strapped FOR LIFE with huge college debt.
The general population WANTS safe abortion. Yes, even a lot of republicans want this, frankly.
The general population WANTS a decent living wage. And take note how that discussion has all but ceased under Trump.
And to add to the list and the future shocker for republicans....
The general population WANTS someone other than Donald Trump in 2020. They want a woman.
And be assured, while it is early in the process and hard to tell at this point, be assured that one woman will rise above all the other candidates running in 2020.
And the media as well as the population will discover their torch bearer.
And.... she will win.
No doubt, this will be fun to watch.
 

Moonbeam

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Two things I would try to keep in mind. Whatever conservatives wish for in their unconscious darkness, namely authoritarian rule, they will project out onto the world, say on liberal Democrats. This unconscious hate they harbor for the Stockholm Syndrome effects that scarred them and produced submission in preference to endless terror, will leak out in a way that will cause normal people to see them as profoundly dangerous, creating an opposing opposite terror of them. In this way they will create what they fear.

The second thing I would try to keep in mind is that the only thing that can combat irrational terror is calmly arrived at rational knowledge, the awareness that what the frightened call socialism is the door to freedom. Conservative and liberal long to feel safe and only socialism, the simple love of others as oneself, can accomplish that. The job to be done, therefore, is to educate people as to what real socialism is, not the monster that sleeps under every conservatives bed. Fear can't survive light and only by self understanding can open one to a desire to see. The more we are willing to look at ourselves, the more benefits of that we will see and the effect can become contagious. The desire of every soul is to be free. We have met the enemy and he is within us.
 
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Well Hitler and the Nazis were fascists and fascism is a form of Socialism that is well to the Right.

Shhhh... don't go giving them facts on reality. They don't like that.

Keep letting them live blissfully into thinking that nazis were all about that EVIL CAPITALISM PATRIARCHY! They are all FAR RIGHT and definitely weren't in favor of government control....
 
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The realities of the 21st century require a more progressive government. You can't cling to 1850's ideals in the coming decades. Luckily the younger generations know this and what we're seeing now is the last dying gasps of the right. They will try every erronious, missleading, and scare tactic in the book. Give it a decade or so, but the overarching trend will be a more socialist US. Demographics will soundly make that decision.
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(https://www.people-press.org/2018/03/20/1-trends-in-party-affiliation-among-demographic-groups/)


It's a pretty well know fact that as people become older (Translation: More intelligent. Paying taxes. Etc.) that they turn more right as they age. That will happen with millennials just like any other generation.

Anyone with half a brain knows that government spending is basically tossing cash into a burning inferno.
 

Amused

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Shhhh... don't go giving them facts on reality. They don't like that.

Keep letting them live blissfully into thinking that nazis were all about that EVIL CAPITALISM PATRIARCHY! They are all FAR RIGHT and definitely weren't in favor of government control....

Wow, even after he was owned, you still ran with this.

Really? Fascism has nothing to do with socialism. It is 100% corrupt crony capitalism under authoritarian rule with nationalism as the rallying cry.

That is 100% what our current right-wing calls for here in the US... along with every alt-right and white nationalist group.
 

whm1974

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He was friendly to industrialists because he depended on them for military production. Which is why he executed any party leadership who were or resembled socialists in 1934. Also replaced the labor unions with Nazi front organizations whose purpose was to get workers in line with Nazism.

The appendage of "socialism" to the name of the party was a populist pitch to gain support of German workers. There is no essential connection between fascism and socialism. You could be fascist and pursue some socialist policies, or not.
Wouldn't he have executed any Industrialist that wouldn't have supported him? He wasn't exactly shy about sending people who didn't like to the Death Camps. And I can recall reading the Nazis, they did implement quite a fair number of Socialist policies that were well received by the German population.
 

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Wouldn't he have executed any Industrialist that wouldn't have supported him? He wasn't exactly shy about sending people who didn't like to the Death Camps. And I can recall reading the Nazis, they did implement quite a fair number of Socialist policies that were well received by the German population.

Having social programs doesn;t make a country or system socialist.

FFS don;t we have this debate every northern european country is discussed???

ALL means of production in Nazi Germany were private. Yes, it was CRONY capitalism, but still private.
 

whm1974

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Having social programs doesn;t make a country or system socialist.

FFS don;t we have this debate every northern european country is discussed???

ALL means of production in Nazi Germany were private. Yes, it was CRONY capitalism, but still private.
Yes but didn't the Nazis have a great deal of control of the means of production after they took over?
 

sandorski

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Left is Bad, Right is Good. The further Left you go, the Badder it gets. The further Right you go, the Gooder it gets.Come on guys, get with the Program.exe!
 
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Genx87

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Having social programs doesn;t make a country or system socialist.

FFS don;t we have this debate every northern european country is discussed???

ALL means of production in Nazi Germany were private. Yes, it was CRONY capitalism, but still private.

Volkswagen???? It was literally the peoples car and owned and run by the Nazi state until after the war. There are other examples of nazi state confiscation of private property and business. Often times racially based. Other times when it suited the Reichs financial or war interests. And if they didnt outright steal the business\private property. They controlled it via regulation, quotas, and state management.
 
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