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KenAF

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By now, you've probably all seen this news over on Xbit, but for those that haven't...

Desktop Thoroughbred to Come in June

As we have already pointed out to you, March is over already and AMD hasn?t yet launched its new 0.13micron Thoroughbred processors. Nevertheless, it didn?t prevent AMD from providing the leading mainboard manufacturers with the info about the CPUs based on this new core.

Let?s take a look at some new details about AMD Thoroughbred.

So, the CPUs based on the new 0.13micron core will be fully compatible with the current Socket A mainboards. The only thing they may require to be fully compatible with the old mainboards is a BIOS update so that the processors could be properly recognized. The processors themselves however, will be not any different in architecture from Palomino based ones. AMD has once again proven that the L2 cache of Thoroughbred will remain equal to 256KB and the processor bus frequency will stay by 266MHz. This way, migration to a new core will ensure higher working frequencies and lower production costs of Athlon XP processors.

As the performances of Palomino and Thoroughbred working at the same clock frequencies are equal, AMD decided to keep calling the new 0.13micron processors Athlon XP and to continue marking them with the rating calculated using the same formula.

And now comes the most interesting bit of news. According to our sources, the official launch of Athlon XP (Thoroughbred) will take place only in the second half of June. The first Athlon XP on the new core will be marked as 2400+ and will have the actual clock frequency of 1.933GHz. Besides, there will also be slower Thoroughbred CPUs coming rated as 2000+ and 2200+, which will replace the existing Palomino models.

Moreover, to fill the gap remaining until Thoroughbred launch, AMD will release one more Athlon XP on the 0.18micron Palomino core in Q2?02. it will be Athlon XP 2200+ working at the actual frequency of 1.8GHz.
 

SexyK

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Hmm, Intel will probably have it's 2.53/533MHz chip out by then. AMD better get moving or it's going to be in trouble.

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ST4RCUTTER

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That would just plain suck if it turns out to be true.


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....waiting for the updated roadmap.
 

ElFenix

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intel will have the crown for the highest performance uncontested for a while longer than expected. big deal. amd isn't going to go out of business because of it. the way people are talking amd is going to close its doors next month or something.
 

MrGrim

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Nothing unexpected. The whole point of the P4 architecture is to be able to bump up the clock speed faster than AMD. AMD was the best for a while now Intel is and will be the best for a while and then things will change again.
 

AGodspeed

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Intel's releasing a 2.53GHz (533MHz FSB) P4 this quarter? What roadmap are you guys looking at, all I've seen for this quarter is a 2.26GHz and 2.4GHz P4 using the 533MHz FSB in May. 2.53GHz?
 

AGodspeed

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Looking at the MHz difference between the AXP 2100+ and the 2.4GHz P4, and guessing that a 1.93GHz Tbred will be released around the same time a 2.53GHz (533MHz FSB) P4 is released, it looks as though the performance lead will be about the same as it is now with a 2.4GHz P4 and an AXP 2100+ processor.
 

Blackberry Junkie

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I am not surprised that P4 takes the crown back from AMD since there wont be any enhance features coming from thoroughbred except only shrinking the die size.

Here's the quote from Anand from his conculsion on his most recently review of P4 2.4 Ghz.



<< Intel has the potential to pull ahead even more in the performance game provided that AMD doesn't introduce Barton with any architectural enhancements. However, the rules of the game will change once Hammer hits. >>



Just wait until Hammer time!
 

AGodspeed

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ABETech, the only thing AMD can do is release Tbred as soon as possible. Judging from Tomshardware's latest 2.4GHz P4 review, Tbred may be cooler than expected, running at 1.5V. If that's true, it's relatively possible that AMD will drop Barton for sure (Barton = .13-micron SOI Athlon XP) for a high clocked Tbred (Tbred = .13-micron only Athlon XP).

If Tbred is in fact running at 1.5V, then what AMD will probably do is scale Tbred as quickly as possible (probably to around 2.2GHz) before they launch ClawHammer this fall/winter. AMD's Freb Weber said that ClawHammer would be selling in the 4th quarter, not just shipping, and other rumors around the web suggest an October release date; I'm guessing a November launch date, with full availability in December.
 

Akaz1976

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So essentially t'bred is the same kind of movement Intel made with its P3 going from .18 to .13? Does anyone know what kind of OCablility did P3 have with the die shrink? and should we expect similar performance change in t'bred?

AKaz
 

dullard

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KenAF: "Desktop Thoroughbred to Come in June...As we have already pointed out to you, March is over already and AMD hasn?t yet launched its new 0.13micron Thoroughbred processors."

AGodspeed: "AMD's Freb Weber said that ClawHammer would be selling in the 4th quarter, not just shipping, and other rumors around the web suggest an October release date; I'm guessing a November launch date, with full availability in December."

In a thread talking about a nearly 3 month delay in an AMD chip, Agodspeed's comment that Hammer will definately be selling this year made me laugh. Don't get me wrong, as I also think Hammer will be available in limited quantities this year. I just wanted to point out the irony in your comment.
 

dullard

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<< So essentially t'bred is the same kind of movement Intel made with its P3 going from .18 to .13? Does anyone know what kind of OCablility did P3 have with the die shrink? and should we expect similar performance change in t'bred? >>



Correct. The P3 had some room to overclock, but nothing dramatic. There was a major difference though. The P3 at .13 was expensive and even when overclocked it didn't beat the top P4 or Athlon available at the time (so few enthusiasts overclocked it). The T'bred will be the top Athlon at the time (so many enthusiasts will be overclocking it). I bet you will find some people with great OC successes. But a memory bandwidth bottleneck will be quickly reached in my opinion - yielding less performance as it overclocks more.
 

AGodspeed

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<< KenAF: "Desktop Thoroughbred to Come in June...As we have already pointed out to you, March is over already and AMD hasn?t yet launched its new 0.13micron Thoroughbred processors."

AGodspeed: "AMD's Freb Weber said that ClawHammer would be selling in the 4th quarter, not just shipping, and other rumors around the web suggest an October release date; I'm guessing a November launch date, with full availability in December."

In a thread talking about a nearly 3 month delay in an AMD chip, Agodspeed's comment that Hammer will definately be selling this year made me laugh. Don't get me wrong, as I also think Hammer will be available in limited quantities this year. I just wanted to point out the irony in your comment.
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There was no 3 month delay, AMD has always stated that Thoroughbred would ship in Q1 (which it apparently has according to AMD) and that Q2 would see Thoroughbred processors. The only difference is that AMD never stated whether they were talking about desktop or mobile parts. I guessed it would be desktop parts in April, but that looks like it won't happen.

Besides, if this XBitLabs news on Tbred holds true, AMD will have reached their goal of 2400+ Tbreds by Q2 (late June). This would mean AMD has in fact brought forward their 2400+ from Q3 to Q2. The 533MHz FSB P4's will be very tough for AMD to fight without a high clocked Tbred.
 

Wolfsraider

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<< The 533MHz FSB P4's will be very tough for AMD to fight without a high clocked Tbred. >>



personaly i hope there isn't any fighting .;)

i hope that they can eventually get along as it seems that if they are always fighting then so will we instead of using such great products:D

peace

wolfsraider
 

CedarTeeth135

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I haven't been really excited about the thourobred. I'm really interested in what the Hammers will bring.