Latest IDC worldwide smartphone marketshare numbers

[Deeko]

I'm sensing you want me to post up a list so you can knock each down with that marketing inspired spec sheet from the 6700 one by one. I'm not going to do that, I'll let the summary of the review do the talking:



As far as I can tell the 6700 doesn't have any apps of note. It has OVI maps, which appears to be very basic and graphically weak, but other than that relies on mobile sites for everything else. It does appear to have a comparable feature set, but not all cars with reciprocating combustion engines are supercars, just as not all phones are smartphones.

I already listed the specs it has in line with other smartphones - what it seems to lack is a modern/robust UI and apps. You've dismissed UI, so seemingly all you have left is apps. You also ignore the question about which phones are included that you don't think should be. Is the 6700 included in their list of smartphones sold? Its not an S60 phone, I do hear people complain about S60 phones that don't "deserve".

Nokia sells a lot of phones - a total that puts everyone else to shame. They sell a lot of phones with smartphone capabilities, too - and regardless of classification, they still sold those phones. Is it really a big deal if, say, 20% of the phones some analyst thinks is a smartphone, you don't?

I've already made my point several times, and pm alluded to it as well. There are a lot of features that people associate with a smartphone. Few phones have ALL of them. These Nokias, like it or not, do have many/most of them.

 

[DivideBYZero]

I already listed the specs it has in line with other smartphones - what it seems to lack is a modern/robust UI and apps. You've dismissed UI, so seemingly all you have left is apps. You also ignore the question about which phones are included that you don't think should be. Is the 6700 included in their list of smartphones sold? Its not an S60 phone, I do hear people complain about S60 phones that don't "deserve".

Nokia sells a lot of phones - a total that puts everyone else to shame. They sell a lot of phones with smartphone capabilities, too - and regardless of classification, they still sold those phones. Is it really a big deal if, say, 20% of the phones some analyst thinks is a smartphone, you don't?

I've already made my point several times, and pm alluded to it as well. There are a lot of features that people associate with a smartphone. Few phones have ALL of them. These Nokias, like it or not, do have many/most of them.

OK, thanks for revealing your true colours. 'All you have left is apps'? There's no reason to turn every discussion about mobile phones into a one upmanship contest, but well done. Here we are again. :hmm:

The 6700 is about as smart today as my t610 was back in 2003. It's a feature phone. No one will tell you otherwise.

As for a list of phones that shouldn't be in the list...Do I look like I have NPD tattooed on my forehead? I don't have a list of what they use, but I simply suggested they are counting many Nokia devices that are not true smartphones.

It's hardly worth discussing anything in this fucking forum any more. :thumbsdown:

 

[Deeko]

Haha my true colors? What are you talking about? I'm asking questions that you aren't answering. The only one not showing their "true colors" here is you. You made a somewhat pissy statement about Nokia not really selling that many smartphones, I asked you to clarify your stance, and you aren't, you are just getting more pissy about the issue. Every one of my posts I gave you a chance to defend your point, rather than ridicule you like most of these threads turn into, and you still have not taken that opportunity.

I'm assuming you consder the Blackberry Pearl Flip to be a smartphone (and it is still for sale by Verizon), and I bet there's a lot of people out there that don't consider it to be a smartphone. Depending on your definition, the first iPhone wasn't a smartphone (the 6700 you bring up has a stronger feature set in some ways). My old T-Mobile SDA (which ran WinMo 5.0) probably lacked things others require in their "smartphone" definition too.

As pm said, there is no true definition of what is a smartphone. What you, I, Nokia, or NPD think could all be different things. So why get so testy about it? And why can you seemingly not have a rational discussion on the matter?