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Looks like the 4TB Seagate is having some serious issues:
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-failure-rates-q1-2017/
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-failure-rates-q1-2017/
Ummm... if you're replacing working drives because new drives are more reliable, instead of because you need more disk space, you're doing it wrong.After the fiasco of the 3TB drives, Backblaze reports said the 4TB were worlds better. I bought the hype and I upgraded all of mine to 4TBs. Got about 6 of them (they could be 5900's, though, I'll have to check when I get home). And now of course their reports indicate the 8TB models are significantly better. Starting to think Backblaze's testing methods are flawed. Undue stress on the drives causing premature failure rates or something; or someone is in their back pocket, convincing people to upgrade.
"Not statistically significant."
But, you know, drama away.
I exaggerate. I had three 3TB's when the old report about them came out. My immediate response was that I realized one was still withing return period, so I returned it and bought a 4TB to replace it. Since then I've added several more 4TBs over the next few years as I needed space. The two 3TB's I still have just house some offline backups. The reports affect me because it makes me leary to trust them in production.Ummm... if you're replacing working drives because new drives are more reliable, instead of because you need more disk space, you're doing it wrong.
You should never trust a hard drive. Backup, backup, backup!I exaggerate. I had three 3TB's when the old report about them came out. My immediate response was that I realized one was still withing return period, so I returned it and bought a 4TB to replace it. Since then I've added several more 4TBs over the next few years as I needed space. The two 3TB's I still have just house some offline backups. The reports affect me because it makes me leary to trust them in production.
AFAIK, Backblaze's drives NEVER spin down.
That is the main killer for consumer drives, all the spin up's / spin down's they do.
This is also why I really hate aggressive settings they do for consumer units to "save power". All that does is stress the parts more.
Hi, this is the official Seagate forums team! We are currently establishing and expanding the team to be closer to customers and deliver an even better customer experience.
In regards to what has been posted in this thread we would like to mention that we are aware of what is being published and how things are spreading all over the internet. However -without understating possible issues- there are always two sides of the story. In case you are interested to get a better idea of what was going on, we would like to refer to the following articles / comments:
● https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/02/17/backblaze_how_not_to_evaluate_disk_reliability
● http://insidehpc.com/2015/02/henry-newman-on-why-backblaze-is-still-wrong-about-disk-reliability/
● http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/6...-story-covered/index.html#UX5OD0IAgPphmv71.99
As stated, we are trying to be as close as possible to the end consumer and trying to help and solve issues wherever we can. So in case you have any problems, please do not hesitate to contact Seagate Support here .
Seagate Technology | Official Forums Team
Nice.Hi, this is the official Seagate forums team! We are currently establishing and expanding the team to be closer to customers and deliver an even better customer experience.
Care to share Seagate's side of this? Why are other maker's HDs performing better than Seagate's models? What specifically is BackBlaze doing "wrong" that Seagate's hardware doesn't like?In regards to what has been posted in this thread we would like to mention that we are aware of what is being published and how things are spreading all over the internet. However -without understating possible issues- there are always two sides of the story.
So, this was a hit & run post, stating what you want, then, any followups should be done on Segate's support site?As stated, we are trying to be as close as possible to the end consumer and trying to help and solve issues wherever we can. So in case you have any problems, please do not hesitate to contact Seagate Support here .
Seagate Technology | Official Forums Team
With Seagate butchering their own warranty start date, that tells consumers that even Seagate isn't standing behind their products anymore. Warranties used to be 5 years across the board, then down to 3, and now, two or one year is common, but of course, that 1 year is when Seagate made the drive, not when the consumer bought it, so, it could be possible to have a 30 day warranty or less depending on if it is "old stock" or not.Thank you for giving this feedback! The reason we're out in forums is because this type of feedback is super important to us and we want to make sure we're not missing anything.
rings hollow.I can say with certainty that our engineering team is working diligently to make sure that the drives that we put out are of the highest quality found in any market
The situation seems very simple to me. Backblaze uses a large amount of drives under extreme conditions. One vendor does consistently well (Hitachi), one vendor does almost as well (WDC), and one vendor produces repeated examples of lemons (Seagate).In regards to what has been posted in this thread we would like to mention that we are aware of what is being published and how things are spreading all over the internet. However -without understating possible issues- there are always two sides of the story. In case you are interested to get a better idea of what was going on, we would like to refer to the following articles / comments:
The situation seems clear to me.The situation seems very simple to me. Backblaze uses a large amount of drives under extreme conditions. One vendor does consistently well (Hitachi), one vendor does almost as well (WDC), and one vendor produces repeated examples of lemons (Seagate).
So a consumer can pick a vendor that is known to do well under extreme conditions, or they can pick a vendor that doesn’t do well and hope they get a better result under normal conditions.
Most of my drives never spin down, and I've got the utility bills to prove itAFAIK, Backblaze's drives NEVER spin down.
That is the main killer for consumer drives, all the spin up's / spin down's they do.
Most of my drives never spin down, and I've got the utility bills to prove it![]()
Probably not so much the drives themselves (though they certainly don't help), but more the stuff surrounding them (CPU, etc.)Is your electrical bill really that much? I know you have an abnormal amount of drives. However, I keep 12 drives running 24/7. My power bill is usually under $100 until deep summer. How much does your server really affect your electrical usage?