last day in vegas, black or red?

[Macamus Prime]

If you play with any regularity you will likely lose in the long run. Most losing gamblers think they are winners because they seem to forget all the times they lost. Do you think poor people spending all their money on lottery tickets is a wise retirement plan?

I've done just fine with this method.

What method of playing roulette (which is what we are talking about) is more successful for you?

I do lose at blackjack. And, it's usually because some asshole before me hit when they shouldn't have. But, I stick with roulette and this method.

I don't think about what poor people do with retirement plans and lottery. Again, we are discuss roulette.

Stay on topic.

 

[sourceninja]

For me, its just luck.

Give it a shot and see what happens. Try the Freemont street roulette tables. The main strip has very few $5/$10 min tables. I think some of the big ones have $10 on Sundays.

Since you feel the math dictates it is not worth it to try, then that's fine. It's obviously your choice!

I don't think you are getting it.

Let's do a theoretical game here. For this game we will assume that I always win.

I will bet $10.00 every time split across the table only on $1 corner bets. These bets will not overlap (only 1 bet can win)
I will play using $50 until I am busted.

Spin 1: Winner! $1 bet means I make $8. I am now down $2. Remaining cash is now $48. Total winnings for the day is $0
Spin 2: Winner! $1 bet means I make $8. I am now down $4. Remaining cash is now $46.
Spin 3: Winner! $1 bet means I make $8. I am now down $6. Remaining cash is now $44. Total winnings for the day is $0
Spin 4: Winner! $1 bet means I make $8. I am now down $8. Remaining cash is now $42. Total winnings for the day is $0
Spin 5: Winner! $1 bet means I make $8. I am now down $10. Remaining cash is now $40. Total winnings for the day is $0
Spin 6: Winner! $1 bet means I make $8. I am now down $12. Remaining cash is now $38. Total winnings for the day is $0
Spin 7: Winner! $1 bet means I make $8. I am now down $14. Remaining cash is now $36. Total winnings for the day is $0
Spin 8: Winner! $1 bet means I make $8. I am now down $16. Remaining cash is now $34. Total winnings for the day is $0
Spin 9: Winner! $1 bet means I make $8. I am now down $18. Remaining cash is now $32. Total winnings for the day is $0
Spin 10: Winner! $1 bet means I make $8. I am now down $20. Remaining cash is now $30. Total winnings for the day is $0
Spin 11: Winner! $1 bet means I make $8. I am now down $22. Remaining cash is now $28. Total winnings for the day is $0
Spin 12: Winner! $1 bet means I make $8. I am now down $24. Remaining cash is now $26. Total winnings for the day is $0
Spin 13: Winner! $1 bet means I make $8. I am now down $26. Remaining cash is now $24. Total winnings for the day is $0
Spin 14: Winner! $1 bet means I make $8. I am now down $28. Remaining cash is now $22. Total winnings for the day is $0
Spin 15: Winner! $1 bet means I make $8. I am now down $30. Remaining cash is now $20. Total winnings for the day is $0
Spin 16: Winner! $1 bet means I make $8. I am now down $32. Remaining cash is now $18. Total winnings for the day is $0

I think I'll stop there, I think you get the point.

 

[Macamus Prime]

He's just doing the internet thing where he slowly backs away hoping nobody saw that multiple people proved him wrong.

And you are doing the rh71 thing where you just placed your own foot in your mouth.

Math-wise; yes, I am wrong.

Luck-wise; I've done pretty good.

So, what method do you use and see success with at roulette?

 

[Macamus Prime]

I don't think you are getting it.

Let's do a theoretical game here. For this game we will assume that I always win.

I will bet $10.00 every time split across the table only on $1 corner bets. These bets will not overlap (only 1 bet can win)
I will play using $50 until I am busted.

Spin 1: Winner! $1 bet means I make $8. I am now down $2. Remaining cash is now $48. Total winnings for the day is $0

.....

Spin 16: Winner! $1 bet means I make $8. I am now down $32. Remaining cash is now $18. Total winnings for the day is $0

I think I'll stop there, I think you get the point.

Nope, I don't get the point.

Why did you take out red/black on the winning number? That is the most important part of the approach I use.

EDIT: also, the pay out I've had is $36,... how and why did you pick $8?

 

[sourceninja]

Nope, I don't get the point.

Why did you take out red/black on the winning number? That is the most important part of the approach I use.

Because I wasn't talking about the approach you used. I was talking about how winning a bet doesn't make it a good bet. You asked if I used the method I spoke of, I said no because it was bad. Then you told me to try it, so I wanted to illustrate how it would fail. I picked $8 because the odds on a corner bet is 8:1. So a bet of $1 will payout $8.

Now if we add back in red/black, we give at 50% chance that you might lose $2 a spin and a 50% chance you might lose $12 a spin (assuming a 100% win rate). So we can do that. The payout is even so if you bet $10 on red and win, you make $10. So if you are placing 10 $1 bets on the corner bets and win both your even/odd bet and your corner bet, you are STILL down $2.

As shown

Spin 1: Winner! $1 bet means I make $8. $10 bet on red means I win $10. I am now down $2. Remaining cash is now $48. Total winnings for the day is $0
Spin 2: Winner! $1 bet means I make $8. $10 bet on red means I win $10. I am now down $4. Remaining cash is now $46.
Spin 3: Winner! $1 bet means I make $8. $10 bet on red means I win $10. I am now down $6. Remaining cash is now $44. Total winnings for the day is $0

etc.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

I've done just fine with this method.

What method of playing roulette (which is what we are talking about) is more successful for you?

There is no winning strategy in roulette. If you play long enough the house will always win. That's why the game doesn't interest me. I don't gamble much but when I do all I play is poker. At least then I'm constrained by the ability of the other players not rules that mathematically guarantee I will lose.

 

[Macamus Prime]

There is no winning strategy in roulette. If you play long enough the house will always win. That's why the game doesn't interest me. I don't gamble much but when I do all I play is poker. At least then I'm constrained by the ability of the other players not rules that mathematically guarantee I will lose.

So, you've never played. You are an armchair gambler then.

No fun in that! You can't even rattle your chips as you win/lose!!

 

[Macamus Prime]

Because I wasn't talking about the approach you used. I was talking about how winning a bet doesn't make it a good bet. You asked if I used the method I spoke of, I said no because it was bad. Then you told me to try it, so I wanted to illustrate how it would fail. I picked $8 because the odds on a corner bet is 8:1. So a bet of $1 will payout $8.

Now if we add back in red/black, we give at 50% chance that you might lose $2 a spin and a 50% chance you might lose $12 a spin (assuming a 100% win rate). So we can do that. The payout is even so if you bet $10 on red and win, you make $10. So if you are placing 10 $1 bets on the corner bets and win both your even/odd bet and your corner bet, you are STILL down $2.

As shown

Spin 1: Winner! $1 bet means I make $8. $10 bet on red means I win $10. I am now down $2. Remaining cash is now $48. Total winnings for the day is $0
Spin 2: Winner! $1 bet means I make $8. $10 bet on red means I win $10. I am now down $4. Remaining cash is now $46.
Spin 3: Winner! $1 bet means I make $8. $10 bet on red means I win $10. I am now down $6. Remaining cash is now $44. Total winnings for the day is $0

etc.

Lets use a real world example:
http://www.excalibur.com/casino/game_guide.aspx

Odds range from 35-1 to even money.

Start with $50. Bet a total of $20.

Spin 1: Winner! $1 bet means I make $34 ($35-$1). $10 bet on red means I win $10. I am now up $35. Remaining cash is now $85.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

So, you've never played. You are an armchair gambler then.

No fun in that! You can't even rattle your chips as you win/lose!!

Lol. I've also never stabbed myself in the nuts with an ice pick but I don't recommend that either.

 

[MikeyLSU]

you seem to have won on luck and chance and are stating it as fact.

That is like me going to a casino betting $20 on 32 and winning and coming back here telling everyone how to win at roulette is to just bet everything on 32 because it worked for me.

Sure it can work, that is how probability works, but it is not likely to work in the long run. If it did, casinos would lose money and shut down.

But if it works so well for you and is such a lock to win, why bet the minimum? Why not take out loans and bet the maximum since you can't lose?

 

[sourceninja]

Lets use a real world example:
http://www.excalibur.com/casino/game_guide.aspx



Start with $50. Bet a total of $20.

Spin 1: Winner! $1 bet means I make $34 ($35-$1). $10 bet on red means I win $10. I am now up $35. Remaining cash is now $85.

And that is not a corner bet. That is a straight number bet. The math still works out, Do you win more than 2 numbers bets every 34 spins every single time you play? If you do then you are WAY more lucky than anyone I have ever met. I've maybe hit the correct number exactly 3-5 times in my entire life. Which is why most people make line, street, or corner bets. This increases their chances of winning while reducing the payout (because the lower odds). By making 10 straight number bets you have lowered the numbers you can win on 4X less and increased your odds, but the chances of leaving the table up are still roughly the same (and thus why the odds are what they are and only pays 8:1 on corner bets). If you can find a table that offers 34:1 corner bets, you call me and I'll fly down with a few grand tonight.

So, can you win money with your method? Yes, is it a good bet? No because it requires you win 2 out of 34 straight bets and at least 60% of your 50/50 color bet. If you are making money this way, then you are just lucky, like everyone else who wins at roulette. This is not a game you can 'game', it's pure chance in it's rawest form, which is why I only play it when I want to sit down for a bit and score some free drinks.

 

[Macamus Prime]

Lol. I've also never stabbed myself in the nuts with an ice pick but I don't recommend that either.

Stabbing self in nuts is not an act of luck nor fun.

Also, you aren't gambling because you need $50,000 cash to get a kidney transplant. You are gambling for fun.

When you take into consideration math for having fun,... well, you've frankly just ruined it.

 

[Macamus Prime]

If you are making money this way, then you are just lucky, like everyone else who wins at roulette. This is not a game you can 'game', it's pure chance in it's rawest form, which is why I only play it when I want to sit down for a bit and score some free drinks.

That is exactly my point. Which is why I told the OP to just go with their gut feeling when it comes to picking a color.

And, just so we are clear, I am not making money. I am winning it. I don't make my money from gambling. It's all for fun.

To be honest with you, if you walk into Vegas while running numbers in your head on what game you have a better chance of "making money off of", just turn around and go home. It's not that kind of experience.

 

[shortylickens]

I'll assume OP has never taken Statistics 101.
You cannot win money at roulette. You know that 0 and double 0? You know why they dont count as any color, or as an even or odd? Or as the first half or first third? Its to fuck you out of your money and it works. It was added specifically to ruin you average ensure over the long run the house always comes out ahead.
The only game with an even halfway decent chance is Blackjack, assuming they dont reshuffle the deck and you know how to count cards. Never take insurance, never split, never double down. Again, looking at the probability you cannot win money over the long run. Those features were added to ensure they get more money from you.

 

[Macamus Prime]

,...and are stating it as fact.

You missed the point,,..

you seem to have won on luck and chance,..

... but, state it right before you missed it.

That is like me going to a casino betting $20 on 32 and winning and coming back here telling everyone how to win at roulette is to just bet everything on 32 because it worked for me.

I never did that. The OP asked, I answered what I do. It's not like I am demanding a sticky be created or everyone replies with "/agreed" to my post.

But if it works so well for you and is such a lock to win, why bet the minimum? Why not take out loans and bet the maximum since you can't lose?

Because it's pure luck - but, maybe no longer since I've pretty much jinxed it.

{:-(

 

[sourceninja]

That is exactly my point. Which is why I told the OP to just go with their gut feeling when it comes to picking a color.

And, just so we are clear, I am not making money. I am winning it. I don't make my money from gambling. It's all for fun.

To be honest with you, if you walk into Vegas while running numbers in your head on what game you have a better chance of "making money off of", just turn around and go home. It's not that kind of experience.

I want to play as long as possible with the money I've put aside for vacation, that means I want to make the smartest bets, because the more I gamble and the longer I stay active the more free drinks I'll get. I want to drink at least as much money away as I am gambling.

This is why I like blackjack and craps. Both games have fairly good odds for the player (in fact, properly played craps has the very best odds for the player in the house (the house edge when played properly is like 0.60% and even lower if you are willing to piss off the table and play the dont. My co-worker just pointed out that the odds bet itself has 0 house advantage and that is why they limit it to X times your pass bet.). So by picking a game with a much larger house edge, you burn though your cash faster. This means you get less drinks, have less time on the floor, and end up with less to do sooner.

The other reason I play craps is because a 'hot' table is fun as hell. People screaming, dice throwing, stick man chatting, tons of action, booze, and excitement. Even if I'm just sitting there playing double odds bets all night and racking in free drinks.

 

[Macamus Prime]

I'll assume OP has never taken Statistics 101.
You cannot win money at roulette. You know that 0 and double 0? You know why they dont count as any color, or as an even or odd? Or as the first half or first third? Its to fuck you out of your money and it works. It was added specifically to ruin you average ensure over the long run the house always comes out ahead.
The only game with an even halfway decent chance is Blackjack, assuming they dont reshuffle the deck and you know how to count cards. Never take insurance, never split, never double down. Again, looking at the probability you cannot win money over the long run. Those features were added to ensure they get more money from you.

We should all show up to the airport his flight is returning to and beat the shit out of him for even going to Vegas.

I mean, if we are all going to be a bunch of killjoys, might as well go balls deep bat shit insane on the mother fucker for thinking he can have some fun.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

Stabbing self in nuts is not an act of luck nor fun.

Also, you aren't gambling because you need $50,000 cash to get a kidney transplant. You are gambling for fun.

When you take into consideration math for having fun,... well, you've frankly just ruined it.

You're right. I'm an analytical person and I just can't get passed the fact that I know it's a losing game. Things like roulette and slot machines will just never be fun for me. I need to at least have the illusion that there is some skill on my part involved that can give me an edge otherwise I don't enjoy it.

 

[Macamus Prime]

I need to at least have the illusion that there is some skill on my part involved that can give me an edge otherwise I don't enjoy it.

I hear putting together a puzzle results 99% of the time in getting the image that is on the box it comes with.

But, there aren't any hot women, free drinks and 24/7 partying associated with it. Still, crossing the finish line IS a guarantee.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

I hear putting together a puzzle results 99% of the time in getting the image that is on the box it comes with.

But, there aren't any hot women, free drinks and 24/7 partying associated with it. Still, crossing the finish line IS a guarantee.

Not wanting to play a losing game =! being risk averse. I don't mind gambling, I just don't like games of pure chance where the odds are against me.

 

[Lifted]

Red or black will hit, yes? That's a 50/50 chance.

If you dump $10 in $1 chips on 10 numbers and place another $10 on red or black, you do indeed have a 50/50 chance to get your $20 back.

Vegas loves you.

 

[BoomerD]

Once you go black...you never go back.


Everyone knows this.

 

[OOBradm]

Man, I would not want to go gambling with ATOT... you guys take all of the fun out of it!

 

[Macamus Prime]

Man, I would not want to go gambling with ATOT... you guys take all of the fun out of it!

Part of it comes from their fear and hate for attractive women.

 

[Macamus Prime]

Vegas loves you.

Lady Luck has been good to me!!