Last anti-Chavez TV station faces probe, shutdown

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I am amazed the people there put up with the madness that is Chavez. I wonder how many detractors end up missing/dead in Venezuela?
http://www.breitbart.com/artic...87EJP00&show_article=1
CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) - When Venezuelans tune to Globovision, they see protests against faulty public services or a talk show guest saying Hugo Chavez could be executed by his opponents, just like Italian dictator Benito Mussolini.

Now Chavez seems to be gearing up for a final showdown with Globovision, Venezuela's only remaining opposition television station on the open airwaves.

Broadcast regulators are investigating the all-news channel for inciting "panic and anxiety" during a minor earthquake when it criticized the government for slow response.

"We've been subject to dozens of investigations, but this one is undoubtedly the most absurd," said station director Alberto Federico Ravell, a bespectacled, tough-talking man who relishes poking fun at the president.

Chavez has called Ravell "a crazy man with a cannon."

"There is a crazy man with a cannon in Venezuela, but it's not me," Ravell quipped in response.

There is little neutral ground left in polarized Venezuela, and the media reflect this?either championing the government or touting the opposition.

What Chavez intends to do with the TV station remains unclear. But he seems to be building to a confrontation, demanding sanctions against Globovision again on Thursday in a speech in which he labeled TV executives "white-collar terrorists."

Earlier this week, he threatened severe measures against any media inciting unrest: "You are playing with fire, manipulating, inciting hatred and much more. All of you: television networks, radio stations, newspapers."

Many newspapers and radio stations that remain fiercely critical of the government. But television is a different matter. Two formerly critical stations, Venevision and Televen, have held their tongues to avoid sanctions since they were accused of supporting a 2002 coup attempt. Another anti-Chavez channel, RCTV, was booted off the airwaves in 2007 and now draws a much smaller audience of paid viewers on cable. About a fifth of Venezuelans subscribe to cable.

Globovision is the remaining counterweight to state television, which airs only praise for Chavez while attacking opposition politicians on a late-night talk show called "The Razorblade."

In one recent broadcast, newspaper editor Rafael Poleo saying Chavez should be careful or he could end up "hanging" like Mussolini. The Fascist leader was shot dead, then hung upside down and stoned by his detractors.

"If Globovision is closed it would show that Chavez is crossing the line from an authoritarian government to a dictatorship," Ravell said.

Its studios already have the feel of a bunker under siege. An 18-foot wall topped with an electric fence and barbed wire surrounds the Globovision building?a reminder that it's a favorite target for rowdy Chavez supporters, who have repeatedly tossed tear gas canisters and covered the walls with graffiti. Video cameras are trained on the street outside.

Carlos Lauria of the New York-based Committee to Protect Journalists said he is disturbed by Chavez's moves against Globovision.

"The consequences of a shutdown would be very damaging for Venezuela's democracy," Lauria told the AP. "The government would be consummating its effort to restrict criticism."

The latest Globovision investigation comes after Chavez easily won a February referendum that ended term limits and empowered him politically. His popularity remains high?at about 59 percent, and opponents say he's using it to sideline dissent and push through controversial laws and economic measures.

Last month, opposition leader Manuel Rosales fled to Peru and was granted asylum after being charged with corruption. Others face similar charges, including the jailed former Defense Minister Raul Baduel?now a prominent Chavez critic.

Venezuela's television and radio regulatory agency, Conatel, now is determining whether Globovision violated a strict law against "broadcasting messages provoking, supporting or inciting disturbances of public order."

The station couldn't reach the head of Venezuela's seismological agency for comment after the May 4 earthquake, which rattled Caracas but caused no deaths or damage. So Ravell went on the air and appealed for calm, while criticizing what he called a sluggish government reaction.

The channel initially broadcast information about the 5.4-magnitude quake from the U.S. Geological Survey.

Ravell said regulators could fine Globovision or shut it down for 72 hours. If they're found to have broken the law again, the station could face a permanent shutdown.

Pro-Chavez lawmaker Augusto Montiel said "the time has come to act and apply the law."

Foreign Minister Nicolas Maduro also demanded sanctions, saying: "One thing is reporting on a quake and another is using it to try to create anxiety and terror ... or trying to take advantage of it politically."

Chavez urged authorities last month to impose sanctions on Venevision, Globovision, RCTV and Televen for allegedly backing a short-lived 2002 coup. Most of those stations broadcast cartoons and movies instead of protests that aided his return to power.

Enrique Santos, president of the Miami-based Inter American Press Association, said he fears Globovision will be forced to air only on cable like RCTV.

"There is no doubt that we are seeing a similar strategy at play," Santos said.

Chavez, who views the stations as mouthpieces of the wealthy, puts it another way:

"You oligarchs, your time is up."
 

ProfJohn

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I can't wait for our resident Chavez lover to jump in here and tell us how this is a good thing for the people of Venezuela.
 

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I can't wait for our resident Chavez lover to jump in here and tell us how this is a good thing for the people of Venezuela.
I think you're going to be waiting for a while...

edit: Nevermind, lol
 

Craig234

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The righties again show their radical lack of respect for the law, as they are in favor of tv stations participating in a coup against the elected government, and leap to conclusions.

We all claim to support 'legitimate' freedom of speech - but the righties had not a word of concern about how in Venezuela all the stations except the one state channel were owned by the wealthy oligarchy and put out propganda on their behalf - no concern about the lack of political power and the lack of any channels for the rest of the country.

But there are limits to the role of the media. I don't require them to be accurate of fair in terms of the state regulating them - but assisting a coup against democracy is over the line.

Not that the righties could care less about democracy there. Not that the righties could care less about the large majority of people there outside of the oligarchy.

As far as the invesigation I don't have the evidence I'd need to reach a conclusion. Chavez might be right or wrong on this, dependinig on the law and the statin's actions.

Funny how the righties in contrast are thrilled to reach a concludion without the evidence.
 

ProfJohn

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So let me see if I get this right Craig...

Obama should shut down Fox News because it is owned by people who are opposed to our elected government??

Same with CNBC. A station for the rich and powerful that cares nothing about the poor and opposes Obama and his governmental policies.
 

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Originally posted by: Craig234
But there are limits to the role of the media. I don't require them to be accurate of fair in terms of the state regulating them - but assisting a coup against democracy is over the line.

Wow, the level of your delusion is astounding :Q
 

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He who controls the media controls the nation. This does not bode well for Venezuela. Chavez may not be an official dictator, but he is definitely going down that road.
 

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Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: Craig234
But there are limits to the role of the media. I don't require them to be accurate of fair in terms of the state regulating them - but assisting a coup against democracy is over the line.

Wow, the level of your delusion is astounding :Q

What's the matter, radicals that believe Democracy works best under Gestapo style oppression? They don't need more tax money for nothing. They put that money to work.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
So let me see if I get this right Craig...

Obama should shut down Fox News because it is owned by people who are opposed to our elected government??

Same with CNBC. A station for the rich and powerful that cares nothing about the poor and opposes Obama and his governmental policies.

No, you did not 'get it right; your post is terribly dishonest.

What I said:

I don't require them to be accurate of fair in terms of the state regulating them - but assisting a coup against democracy is over the line.

You then say the opposite in your 'paraphrase', that I don't allow them if they oppose the government - not only dishonestly, but even if they're 'honest' opposition. I allowed both.

You have become a shameless liar, PJ. Distorting my post for your own lies; trying to twist my comments about the oligarchy's direct ownership of media for their own propagnda, with the far more egalitarian and honest US media (even Fox is far better than the Venezuelan channels, if reports are to be believed), by exaggerating the far lesser corruption of a channel like MSNBC, which indeed is a corporatized outlet like all major US news channels, but not comparable to the Venezuelan media.

Why are you lying so badly?
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: MovingTarget
He who controls the media controls the nation. This does not bode well for Venezuela. Chavez may not be an official dictator, but he is definitely going down that road.

Funny how you don't recognize the statement you made applies to the media being controlled by a hugely corrupt oligarchy *who supported a coup against democracy*.

You don't think coups againt democracy 'don't bode well for Venezuela', it's only *left* elected leaders you are worried about.

*90%* of the media in Venezuela was not only the equivalent of Fox, but the equivalent of haivng Al Queda run the US media, people who were the former oppressors of the people of Venezuela and who were happy to back the overthrow of democracy by murdering people, using the media tey owned in a conspiracy, and you are not worried at all by that.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: Craig234
But there are limits to the role of the media. I don't require them to be accurate of fair in terms of the state regulating them - but assisting a coup against democracy is over the line.

Wow, the level of your delusion is astounding :Q

A strong entry for irony of the week. How could I guess you would have *zero* to back up your lie in the form of any facts, logic, argument?
 

Genx87

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It is so predicatable when Craig comes in her blabbing about defending democracy by shutting down dissenting voices.

What I find even more funny is I am sure Craig pissed and moaned about the govt response to Katrina and supported stations going after Bush for a slow response yet he defends chavez for shutting down stations for criticizing the govts response to a natural deisaster.

Broadcast regulators are investigating the all-news channel for inciting "panic and anxiety" during a minor earthquake when it criticized the government for slow response.

 

XMan

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Originally posted by: Genx87
It is so predicatable when Craig comes in her blabbing about defending democracy by shutting down dissenting voices.

What I find even more funny is I am sure Craig pissed and moaned about the govt response to Katrina and supported stations going after Bush for a slow response yet he defends chavez for shutting down stations for criticizing the govts response to a natural deisaster.

Broadcast regulators are investigating the all-news channel for inciting "panic and anxiety" during a minor earthquake when it criticized the government for slow response.

LOL, priceless.

 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: XMan
Originally posted by: Genx87
It is so predicatable when Craig comes in her blabbing about defending democracy by shutting down dissenting voices.

What I find even more funny is I am sure Craig pissed and moaned about the govt response to Katrina and supported stations going after Bush for a slow response yet he defends chavez for shutting down stations for criticizing the govts response to a natural deisaster.

Broadcast regulators are investigating the all-news channel for inciting "panic and anxiety" during a minor earthquake when it criticized the government for slow response.

LOL, priceless.

After skipping genx's post as usual, because of your response to it I went and read it, and you're both idiots.

Let's review *again* what I said and how you say the opposite of the truth.

I don't require them to be accurate of fair in terms of the state regulating them - but assisting a coup against democracy is over the line.

So here I say I *support* the media's right to criticize the government. Not only legitimate crticism, buteven if they're dishonest, corrupt criticis. Even worse, they're an oligarchy who had a virtual monopoly on the nation's media - and I do have an issue with that in terms of wanting broader interests to get some media power too - but even there I support the oligarchs' right to express their views, as I said. You lie about what I said, and claim that I oppose their right to criticize the government at all.

Even after I say the same thing to PJ who did the same thing you did - you ignore it and repeat the lie.

'Oh, but Craig, in this case, Chavez is just using the pretense of the stations' support for a coup to suppress them for being political opposition'.

Well, three things:

- *If* that's true, I'm against Chavez on it, violatig the principles I expressed for free speech.

- As I said, I don't have the info needed to reach a concusion either way:

As far as the invesigation I don't have the evidence I'd need to reach a conclusion. Chavez might be right or wrong on this, dependinig on the law and the statin's actions.

- You show absolutely no integrity to have any effort made to determine whether that's the case. Your making the claim (well, if you did) I view with great skepticism.

-
 

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I hear Castro was elected 'democratically' as well..

And all dissenting media which he shut down was also out to get him and big bullies and meanies.
 

MovingTarget

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
He who controls the media controls the nation. This does not bode well for Venezuela. Chavez may not be an official dictator, but he is definitely going down that road.

Funny how you don't recognize the statement you made applies to the media being controlled by a hugely corrupt oligarchy *who supported a coup against democracy*.

You don't think coups againt democracy 'don't bode well for Venezuela', it's only *left* elected leaders you are worried about.

*90%* of the media in Venezuela was not only the equivalent of Fox, but the equivalent of haivng Al Queda run the US media, people who were the former oppressors of the people of Venezuela and who were happy to back the overthrow of democracy by murdering people, using the media tey owned in a conspiracy, and you are not worried at all by that.

Yeah, lets just give Chavez a free pass for anything he does against his opponents just because they agreed with his opponents seven years ago. :roll: Have you seen what Chavez is saying is against the government nowadays? I'm sure you'd just love to have all tv stations in any country to espouse only one viewpoint. Gimme a break. Oh, nice jab against me just because i happen to be against someone on the left. Dictatorship is dictatorship, whether right or left leaning. You want to talk about destroying democracy...you should be looking to Chavez. The right in Venezuela failed in 2002, but it seems he will succeed in time.
 

rudder

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Originally posted by: MovingTarget
He who controls the media controls the nation. This does not bode well for Venezuela. Chavez may not be an official dictator, but he is definitely going down that road.

When the people who try to run against him in general elections are in hiding.... he is a dictator.

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ProfJohn

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Craig do you support a law such as this?
Venezuela's television and radio regulatory agency, Conatel, now is determining whether Globovision violated a strict law against "broadcasting messages provoking, supporting or inciting disturbances of public order."
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I hear Castro was elected 'democratically' as well..

No, he wasn't, but since you lack any points to make, you make up a traw man. Castro was not legitimately elected. Chavez was. You are lying to say otherwise.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I hear Castro was elected 'democratically' as well..

No, he wasn't, but since you lack any points to make, you make up a traw man. Castro was not legitimately elected. Chavez was. You are lying to say otherwise.
Was this before or after he threw everyone who opposed him in jail?