laser printers spying on you! (This necro thread isn't spying on you though)

Borkil

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so i just learned that most laser printers print a small barely visible watermark on all color pages that identifies the time/date and serial number of the printer. :ninja:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printer_steganography
http://w2.eff.org/Privacy/printers/docucolor/

wikipedia said:
Printer steganography is a type of steganography – "hiding data within data"[1] – produced by color printers, including Brother, Canon, Dell, Epson, HP, IBM, Konica Minolta, Kyocera, Lanier, Lexmark, Ricoh, Toshiba and Xerox brand color laser printers,[2] where tiny yellow dots are added to each page. The dots are barely visible and contain encoded printer serial numbers and timestamps. Unlike many forms of steganography, the hidden information is not intended to be available from a computer file, but to allow serial number and time of printing to be determined by close examination of a printout.

Color laser printers appear to be the type mostly involved, the measure being brought in during the 1990s by Xerox and other companies seeking to reassure governments that their printers would not be used for forgery. The identification is by means of a watermark, often using yellow-on-white, embedded in the printout of each page, and in conjunction with other information can be used to identify the printer which was used to print any document originally produced on a wide range of popular printers. It may be actual text, or a repeated pattern of dots throughout the page, more easily visible under blue light or with a magnifying glass, and is intended to produce minimal visible change to the printout, ideally being imperceptible to the naked eye.

In 2005, the Electronic Frontier Foundation cracked the codes for Xerox DocuColor printers and published an online guide to their detection.[3] Most printers' codes have not been decoded, although the coding system framework and printer serial number encoding is the same on both DocuColor and the Epson Aculaser C1100/C1100N/A.
 
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SSSnail

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What did you do, fell asleep in 2006 and just woke up and started catching up on the internet just now?
 

John Connor

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So all that fake cash I made has a water mark? FUCK! LMAO!

Actually, you can't the damn printer will print rules for use on the paper.
 

gevorg

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note to self: to forge documents/money, buy used on CL with cash
 

Red Squirrel

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Interesting. I'll have to check if my printer does this. It is a Brother... Never used it to print anything confidential though. at least not confidential to the point where I don't want it traced to me.

Still a piss off how it seems every way you turn, we are being spied on by technology though.
 

Schmide

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Figure out yellow color. Print random yellow dots all over the page?
 

Mixolydian

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Good thing I only use my 1988 Apple LaserWriter II. :colbert:

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colonelciller

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Good thing I only use my 1988 Apple LaserWriter II. :colbert:

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reminds me of the opening episode of the Battlestar Galactica Miniseries.

where the Battlestar Galactica was built "during a time where [they] sought safety through technology from a simpler time" (rough quote)

Science Fiction writers are often visionary in this regard... predicting the implications of potential technologies (futures)... often with astonishing clarity.
 

colonelciller

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my modern OKI printer has hard-wired "early obselescence, premature toner 'empty' and drum breakage features"... I've spent hours hacking the printer to allow me to keep printing after the toner was "empty"... have printed over a thousand perfect pages after the toner was supposedly "empty". I recommend that nobody ever buy an OKI Printer!

I wish i had my very old and trusty HP Laserjet.
 

Vic Vega

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I had a Lexmark printer which would do the premature "cartridge empty" crap I purchased circa 2004. It replaced an utterly reliable HP Deskjet 660i I had for 10 years with nary an issue.

I found if I unplugged the Lexmark, removed the cartridges, plugged it back in (with empty cartridge bays) and re-inserted the cartridges it would reset whatever mechanism the printer was using and keep on printing. I did so little printing with it that I only needed ink every 1.5 years or so.

It finally died in 2011, the rollers had disintegrated and it would no longer feed paper. I looked online for replacement rollers but could find none. I believe I paid $69 for the printer at Walmart in 2004.

I've actually been without a printer (or scanner) at home since then. At some point I suppose I should rectify that.
 

SearchMaster

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Heh - I have a Dell 3100CN (on the 'bad' list above) that has said "low black toner" for over 3 years. I don't print that much any more but I'm sure I've gotten 300-500 pages since that message first appeared.
 

OBLAMA2009

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I had a Lexmark printer which would do the premature "cartridge empty" crap I purchased circa 2004. It replaced an utterly reliable HP Deskjet 660i I had for 10 years with nary an issue.

I found if I unplugged the Lexmark, removed the cartridges, plugged it back in (with empty cartridge bays) and re-inserted the cartridges it would reset whatever mechanism the printer was using and keep on printing. I did so little printing with it that I only needed ink every 1.5 years or so.

It finally died in 2011, the rollers had disintegrated and it would no longer feed paper. I looked online for replacement rollers but could find none. I believe I paid $69 for the printer at Walmart in 2004.

I've actually been without a printer (or scanner) at home since then. At some point I suppose I should rectify that.

i was without a printer for a couple months and resorted to flashdrives/fedex. but printers are so cheap, it really doesnt make sense not to have a laserprinter. id never get another inkjet though.
 

rudder

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I am not saying there are people in Russia who offer alternate firmware... but there are people in Russia who offer alternate firmware for a lot of printers.

Not that I would do that, but I heard you can also refill your own toner this way.
 

Ichinisan

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my modern OKI printer has hard-wired "early obselescence, premature toner 'empty' and drum breakage features"... I've spent hours hacking the printer to allow me to keep printing after the toner was "empty"... have printed over a thousand perfect pages after the toner was supposedly "empty". I recommend that nobody ever buy an OKI Printer!

I wish i had my very old and trusty HP Laserjet.

Brother HL-2170W pulls the same bullshit.
 

rivan

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Not really "spying on you" but they're definitely for tracking. I thought this was common knowledge by now.
 

Red Squirrel

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Where on the page are these dots normally? I'm curious if my Brother printer does it. It says it's mostly color printers though, so I'm thinking mine does not.

Or if it's a driver thing, then the Linux driver probably is not coded to do it. It's hard to try to see with the naked eye though since the texture of the paper masks the dots if there are any.

Either way if you're going to print anything questionable, do it at the library! :p