Largest Gun Bust in History?

[momeNt]

Happened in Spain, images of the bust released today. 10,000 guns, also mortars and grenades.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4313014/Anti-aircraft-machineguns-MORTARS-seized-gang.html

It appears that the criminals (5 arrests in total from this bust, pitifully low number) may have been recommissioning defunct weapons, also some were probably functioning weapons smuggled in from conflict areas.

Spain has some of the most restrictive gun laws in Europe. Just how many have they sold? Apparently the Hebdo attacks were from recommissioned firearms. Would have to dig into their bookkeeping to get an idea of how many of these guns are out on the streets. Depending on how long they were operating, the number could easily be in the hundreds of thousands.

 

[Perknose]

From the article:

The criminals had been operating under the front of a historical weapons workshop near Bilbao that bought supposedly defunct firearms online.

The weapons were restored and sold on the black market throughout Europe, according to police.

[...]

It was previously reported that terrorists are finding it easier than ever to get guns because of the flow of illegal weapons flowing from the Balkans into the heart of western Europe.

A spokesman for the Spanish Government said at the time: 'This modus operandi used to purchase weapons is the same as the one used for the attacks carried out in Paris on January 7th, 2015, against employees of the satirical weekly "Charlie Hebdo", in which 12 people were killed and another 11 injured, all with recommissioned weapons acquired at the time from a Slovak gunsmith.'

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I tried but I can't resist

 

[highland145]

F&F

 

[brycejones]

The obvious step for Spain to take is to allow citizens to purchase tanks to defend themselves from the guns sold by this ring. Anything less would be leaving Spanish citizens vulnerable.

 

[highland145]

Whoo..hoo..maybe you should give history a hurl.

+1 fo yo likes.

 

[momeNt]

From the article:

Yes, I was not clear that this group might not be affiliated with the firearms used in the Hebdo attack, just that they ran an operation similar and that is how the Hebdo attackers got their weapons.

The obvious step for Spain to take is to allow citizens to purchase tanks to defend themselves from the guns sold by this ring. Anything less would be leaving Spanish citizens vulnerable.

You can set your hair on fire all you want, and hide how you really think all you want, but none of that helps Spain.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yes, I was not clear that this group might not be affiliated with the firearms used in the Hebdo attack, just that they ran an operation similar and that is how the Hebdo attackers got their weapons.



You can set your hair on fire all you want, and hide how you really think all you want, but none of that helps Spain.

So what are you advocating in all this? From what you've offered in other threads it seems obvious that you favor Americans owning any kind of firearms their hearts desire, including ordnance. You go so far as to claim Constitutional righteousness in your arguments. Are you saying Spaniards shouldn't enjoy the same rights?

 

[momeNt]

So what are you advocating in all this? From what you've offered in other threads it seems obvious that you favor Americans owning any kind of firearms their hearts desire, including ordnance. You go so far as to claim Constitutional righteousness in your arguments. Are you saying Spaniards shouldn't enjoy the same rights?

I wasn't really advocating anything in here. It was just a huge gun bust. I think perhaps the biggest in history.

I am curious to see how safe Spain feels depending on how long this operation was going on and how many assumed guns are on the streets. I wonder if Spaniards felt relatively safe from gun violence and if this realization changes how they feel, and how those feelings will make them react.

Really all I am is curious about the situation.

 

[brycejones]

Yes, I was not clear that this group might not be affiliated with the firearms used in the Hebdo attack, just that they ran an operation similar and that is how the Hebdo attackers got their weapons.



You can set your hair on fire all you want, and hide how you really think all you want, but none of that helps Spain.

Come on clearly bigger weapons are the answer you have advocated for that yourself.

 

[momeNt]

Come on clearly bigger weapons are the answer you have advocated for that yourself.

I have advocated for that under the context of being American and it being an individual right of property ownership. I have never said that it was the answer to anything. I have also commented on gun violence threads that I never engage in arguing statistics about gun violence of gun suicides because they in no way should impact the individual right of property ownership. Sometimes guns have been an answer, as seen by revolts and uprisings, etc. Other times not, and in the times that they are not, it does not discredit (in my eyes at least) the values behind their ownership.

Would I be happy if Spain decided to allow citizens to enjoy the full rights of individual property ownership? Yes, absolutely.

Being caught up in answers means you are seeking solutions. Solutions generally come at the cost of rights. Taxation as a solution to something comes at the right to keep your earnings as a personal right of your own labor, gun control comes at the cost of personal rights of property ownership. I do not deal in solutions, I only care about our rights and freedumbs.

 

[bshole]

I have advocated for that under the context of being American and it being an individual right of property ownership. I have never said that it was the answer to anything. I have also commented on gun violence threads that I never engage in arguing statistics about gun violence of gun suicides because they in no way should impact the individual right of property ownership. Sometimes guns have been an answer, as seen by revolts and uprisings, etc. Other times not, and in the times that they are not, it does not discredit (in my eyes at least) the values behind their ownership.

Yea that is what we need.... alt-righters with ICBMs.... that wouldn't result in world annihilation at all....

 

[HamburgerBoy]

The end result is that guns don't cause gun violence. The Czech Republic and Slovakia, common sources of weapons moved westward in Europe, do not have high levels of gun violence. Spain does not have high levels of gun violence. France occasionally sees brief headline-making spurts of gun violence, not because of guns, but because their imperialistic history and the immigrants from former colonies unsurprisingly peeved over it.