Large Hadron Collider could be world's first time machine

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(PhysOrg.com) -- If the latest theory of Tom Weiler and Chui Man Ho is right, the Large Hadron Collider – the world's largest atom smasher that started regular operation last year – could be the first machine capable causing matter to travel backwards in time.

"Our theory is a long shot," admitted Weiler, who is a physics professor at Vanderbilt University, "but it doesn't violate any laws of physics or experimental constraints."


One of the major goals of the collider is to find the elusive Higgs boson: the particle that physicists invoke to explain why particles like protons, neutrons and electrons have mass. If the collider succeeds in producing the Higgs boson, some scientists predict that it will create a second particle, called the Higgs singlet, at the same time.


According to Weiler and Ho's theory, these singlets should have the ability to jump into an extra, fifth dimension where they can move either forward or backward in time and reappear in the future or past.


"One of the attractive things about this approach to time travel is that it avoids all the big paradoxes," Weiler said. "Because time travel is limited to these special particles, it is not possible for a man to travel back in time and murder one of his parents before he himself is born, for example. However, if scientists could control the production of Higgs singlets, they might be able to send messages to the past or future."
Unsticking the "brane"

The test of the researchers' theory will be whether the physicists monitoring the collider begin seeing Higgs singlet particles and their decay products spontaneously appearing. If they do, Weiler and Ho believe that they will have been produced by particles that travel back in time to appear before the collisions that produced them.


Weiler and Ho's theory is based on M-theory, a "theory of everything." A small cadre of theoretical physicists have developed M-theory to the point that it can accommodate the properties of all the known subatomic particles and forces, including gravity, but it requires 10 or 11 dimensions instead of our familiar four. This has led to the suggestion that our universe may be like a four-dimensional membrane or "brane" floating in a multi-dimensional space-time called the "bulk."
 

Lifted

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I guess we'll know it works when they start winning the lottery every week.
 

sandorski

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Messages to the past? hmm.

Reminds me of the movie, Prince of Darkness and a few other things.
 

destrekor

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the first message they send back in time is going to be a warning to one of the members not to use their hardon with some chick so they dont get herpes...

I hope none of those hard-on messages accidentally all over the place in a collision.
 

silverpig

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There are many many many theories out right now that are just waiting for LHC to produce some results.
 

disappoint

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hee hee. Silly humans. You are in a controlled experiment. You will not unstick the brane until you are ready to handle such responsibilities. You also won't be human anymore by that time.
 
Jun 26, 2007
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(PhysOrg.com) -- If the latest theory of Tom Weiler and Chui Man Ho is right, the Large Hadron Collider – the world's largest atom smasher that started regular operation last year – could be the first machine capable causing matter to travel backwards in time.

"Our theory is a long shot," admitted Weiler, who is a physics professor at Vanderbilt University, "but it doesn't violate any laws of physics or experimental constraints."


One of the major goals of the collider is to find the elusive Higgs boson: the particle that physicists invoke to explain why particles like protons, neutrons and electrons have mass. If the collider succeeds in producing the Higgs boson, some scientists predict that it will create a second particle, called the Higgs singlet, at the same time.


According to Weiler and Ho's theory, these singlets should have the ability to jump into an extra, fifth dimension where they can move either forward or backward in time and reappear in the future or past.


"One of the attractive things about this approach to time travel is that it avoids all the big paradoxes," Weiler said. "Because time travel is limited to these special particles, it is not possible for a man to travel back in time and murder one of his parents before he himself is born, for example. However, if scientists could control the production of Higgs singlets, they might be able to send messages to the past or future."
Unsticking the "brane"

The test of the researchers' theory will be whether the physicists monitoring the collider begin seeing Higgs singlet particles and their decay products spontaneously appearing. If they do, Weiler and Ho believe that they will have been produced by particles that travel back in time to appear before the collisions that produced them.


Weiler and Ho's theory is based on M-theory, a "theory of everything." A small cadre of theoretical physicists have developed M-theory to the point that it can accommodate the properties of all the known subatomic particles and forces, including gravity, but it requires 10 or 11 dimensions instead of our familiar four. This has led to the suggestion that our universe may be like a four-dimensional membrane or "brane" floating in a multi-dimensional space-time called the "bulk."

Old news, the particles either destroyed themselves or passed through before either were launched leading to strange results.

In this field, it's like reporting on gunpowder as a possibility for firearms.
 

disappoint

Lifer
Dec 7, 2009
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You're on, it worked, how much did i win?

It's over two year old news.

Are you talking about the cesium vapor FTL experiments? That is very different from higgs singlets. The Higgs has yet to be discovered. It's tough to discover a particle that doesn't exist.
 

sjwaste

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Are you talking about the cesium vapor FTL experiments? That is very different from higgs singlets. The Higgs has yet to be discovered. It's tough to discover a particle that doesn't exist.

Unless...

!!!

Wait.

No. Sorry, thought I had it.
 

GagHalfrunt

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"One of the attractive things about this approach to time travel is that it avoids all the big paradoxes," Weiler said. "Because time travel is limited to these special particles, it is not possible for a man to travel back in time and murder one of his parents before he himself is born, for example. However, if scientists could control the production of Higgs singlets, they might be able to send messages to the past or future."

Ummmm, no. That's another time travel paradox. If it was possible to send messages backward in time we would have already been getting them from the future.
 
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Are you talking about the cesium vapor FTL experiments? That is very different from higgs singlets. The Higgs has yet to be discovered. It's tough to discover a particle that doesn't exist.

No, i am talking about the initial tests. While unintentional, pretty much proved the point.
 

JS80

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the first message they send back in time is going to be a warning to one of the members not to use their hardon with some chick so they dont get herpes...

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