Laptop to run Linux?

jgbishop

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I'd like to get a laptop to run Linux on, but I don't know what to get. Here's what I'd like:

* Wireless networking
* Semi-high resolution display (maybe 1280 x whatever)

I'd mainly use this for surfing the web and just tinkering around in Linux. Can anyone recommend a laptop that would suffice?
 

phisrow

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I can't recommend a specific model with just that information(though I am quite pleased with the Linux performance of my Thinkpad T42) but there are a few general things to note:

Wireless: Avoid Broadcomm like the plague. Their chipsets are undocumented and largely worthless under Linux. Ralink is probably the best; but not too easy to find, Intel ipw2200 or 2100 isn't perfect(binary firmware glob) but it actually works without ghastly hacks, unlike Broadcomm.

Video: Pretty much any modern video card will Just Work in 2d, so it shouldn't much matter what you get. For 3d use, you'll need to resort to binary drivers. That isn't good; but it'll be a lot less painful if the card is an NVIDIA based setup. If you just want 2d, though, it really doesn't matter too much, and avoiding unfree drivers will make your life better.

General advice: Laptops are, these days, a mixture of fairly well supported and/or not that much different from desktops. Things will mostly just work. You are most likely to run into trouble with weird little integrated peripherals(e.g. those chintzy little SD/MMC card readers aren't likely to keep working, and that integrated webcam is probably unsupported). Most of the more obnoxious bugs related to laptops have to do with ACPI BIOS kinks of various sorts. Some companies, and laptop models, just play nicer than others. Little touches like how many of the keyboard shortcuts for screen brightness, volume,wireless on/off, etc. depend on Windows drivers, and how many are implimented in hardware also make a big difference; but may not be immediately obvious.

My recommendation: Check http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ to get a general feel for the state of the game. http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki is very useful if you end up with a Thinkpad.

Steer clear of laptops with lots of horror stories associated with them, if you can. Obtaining a relatively common laptop might also be useful, as it increases the chances that someone has already written something useful about any problem you are likely to have. Certain brands are, generally, better than others for Linux(e.g. an IBM will likely be much less trouble than a Sony, all else being equal). Beyond that, though, you ought probably to focus on finding the laptop you like at a price you like, then just check to make sure that it doesn't fail in any of the areas I mentioned above, and you'll likely be ok.
 

erwos

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Definitely agree with phisrow, although I've had reasonably good experiences with ndiswrapper and my Broadcom chipset. Ralink is a good bet, though - very friendly to Linux users.

As for video: the Xpress 200 is supported by ATI's binary drivers, and I've read that X.org 6.9/7.0 has native 3D support for it. I've used Intel's video, too, and it works fine (slow, obviously).

Overall, if you're willing to spend the cash, grab a Lenovo/IBM Thinkpad, or a Dell.

-Erwos
 

mparr1708

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Great info from phisrow.

I just went through this with my new laptop so I'll just post my experience and if you can glean anything useful from the info then great.

I just purchased an HP DV4000 (W/ x700 card). My purchase was not meant to be linux centric so I just purchased the laptop that met my needs the most (In this case a semi portable notebook that gamed ok for when I'm out of town) knowing that I would be running windows most of the time. I do like to tinker in Linux quite a bit when I'm not gaming though.

I have tried two different distributions thus far: Ubuntu 5..10 and Fedora 4

Fedora 4 (This was my first choice): I had a ton of trouble with sound and wireless. Everything else seemed to be working ok with the exception of these two items. I tried for about a week trying to get my sound working with no success. This was a game breaker for me so I didnt put a lot of work into wireless. I'm sure i could have got the wireless card to work (Intel 2200BG) if I would have spent more time on it.

Ubuntu 5.10: Much to my suprise this distro supported everything I have right out of the box with the exception of my ATI card which it knew was an ATI variant but couldnt decide which card it was. I was able to load the drivers for my card through synaptic and within minutes I was in a widescreen resolution :). I was suprised to see it even picked up my bluetooth card (I have no devices to test BT as of yet so not sure if it actually is working).

Thats as far as I've made it so far with *nix on this laptop. I will probably try another disto soon as I like the flexability and style of Fedora more then Ubuntu.
 

R3MF

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My Acer Travelmate 2403 WXMi works brilliantly with SUSE 10.0, typing this message on it now.

14" screen with a 1280x800 res.

small and light, but still has a fair bit of poke.
 

Liver

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That is good information. I would really like a laptop linux solution as well. I want one that will work very well at the initial load. I am very willing to learn, but if things like the wireless don't work outta the box the learning curve is waaaayy too steep right in the beginning.

From your experience are there any ultra portables that work with Ubuntu or distro of your choice with the inital load? No graphics cards to worry about, etc. I tried it with my Dell 700m, but the wireless was problematic, even with me reading how to resolve it, but I could not. Too much too fast.

I can handle trying to get the display to work, but if I can't log on to the net, then I can't search for help. Ya' know what I mean?

I appreciate your expertise.

Liver
 

jgbishop

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Thanks for the suggestions everyone. I'll look at what IBM/Lenovo currently has to offer. Seeing as I work for IBM, I can get an employee discount! :D
 

The Linuxator

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Again a vote for Thinkpads, My Thinkpad specs are on the bottim and the there is a link there to www.thinkiwiki.org, which is all you need to get Linux installled and configured on your Thinkpad.

-Pick one that comes with an Intel mini-pci card , because Intel has drivers for Linux :D
- Intel has drivers for the Intel extreme Graphics 2 and it 's pretty smooth in Linux

Check that www.thinkwiki.org before you purchase your Thinkpad to be sure that what you want to run will actually work out smoothly and cheers :beer: , I have My R50e's WiFi and the extra function keys and all the bling blin g and on screen display and all of that working INCLUDING THE TRACKPOINT CLICK & DRAG FUNCTIONS :D thanx to the 2.6.14xxx kernel
 

jgbishop

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Just for an idea of the entire spectrum of what's available, what non-Thinkpad laptops are recommended? I'd like to have a few choices to compare against.
 
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You know the biggest reason I'm thinking of getting a linux laptop is battery life. My friend doubled his from 90 Minutes with wireless in windows XP to 3 hours with wireless in linux under fluxbox.
 

thehstrybean

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I've got an HP Special Edition L2000. It's got a Broadcom chipset wifi, (I chatted with HP for about an hour if they were going to certify the Intel 2200 for this, and all I could get was a maybe)...I use VMware, and it works with my wifi...Use NDISWrapper...