Question Laptop SoCs: Qualcomm vs Apple vs AMD vs Intel

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FlameTail

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Might as well put the M4 instead of the M3, because that’s going to be its main competitor in the Apple space.
No, the whole reason why Lunar Lake vs M3 comparison will be so interesting is because they are both made on the same node- N3B.

So we can see who has the better architecture.
 
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jdubs03

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No, the whole reason why Lunar Lake vs M3 comparison will be so interesting is because they are both made on the same node- N3B.

So we can see who has the better architecture.
We know who has the better architecture. It’s not even close.

And we know the expected range for power draw reduction/performance increase from N3B to N3E so we can approximate the difference.
 
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poke01

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@poke01 I recall you saying you wanted to create an Intel Lunar Lake vs Apple M3 thread.

The time is ripening to do so.
Not in the MacBook yet so absolute PITA to test.
iOS is an affront to mankind, after all.
I won’t talk M4 here till it comes to MacBooks. iPads with M chips are truly wasted products as most users won’t do demanding work on them.

As for comparing with Lunar, very excited to compare. But it looks like some Asian reviewers released some info.

Intel does seem to have better low power media engines. We will have to wait for M4 and if Apple made theirs any better.
 

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poke01

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No, the whole reason why Lunar Lake vs M3 comparison will be so interesting is because they are both made on the same node- N3B.

So we can see who has the better architecture.
M3 vs Lunar Lake. Short version for now
CPU - Apple
GPU - technically Apple but software support such as games it’s Intel.
Media Engines - Intel
I/O - Intel
NPU - Apple
 

poke01

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if I was to pick my favourite SoC this year it would be Lunar lake because I’m a media freak. So yeah might be biased lol
 
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Nothingness

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I won’t talk M4 here till it comes to MacBooks. iPads with M chips are truly wasted products as most users won’t do demanding work on them.
Agreed, but some users do real pro work on iPad. A friend of mine, who is designer, make drawings and light renderings on an iPad Pro with the stylus, before switching to his Mac. Does he need the power of an M4? Not sure, but he could do more with it.
 

Doug S

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No, the whole reason why Lunar Lake vs M3 comparison will be so interesting is because they are both made on the same node- N3B.

So we can see who has the better architecture.

If Apple waits much longer to put out M4 Macs I'm gonna start getting suspicious they'll be delivered with N3P.
 
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poke01

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I got a thinkpadT490s for $370AUD, i5 8th, 16GB RAM and 256GB SSD with a 100% new battery. Excellent condition

I mainly got it for the excellent keyboard for writing essays and reports. Installed CachyOS and its blazing fast for chromebook tasks. New chromebooks go for $250-$450AUD and they are trash and slower than this.

Its amazing how far we came since 2018 in laptop SoCs.

 

LightningZ71

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I have a Lenovo Flex 2-1 14 inch convertible with the same processor. How much of a pain was CachyOS to install for you? I've got Windows 11 on it for now, and it performs well enough, but, I do like a good adventure...
 

DavidC1

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Are you referring to something like Cinebench MT per wattage?
Because at least for battery life, it seems to do pretty well from what I see of all the reviews out so far.
Yea, we weren't expecting huge on the MT performance side.

They delivered on the battery life claim, and the graphics are much better as well. It's everything Qualcomm said it would do, but by Intel.

It'll also cause a psychological shift from ISA is somehow the problem for battery life issues on x86.
 

poke01

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I have a Lenovo Flex 2-1 14 inch convertible with the same processor. How much of a pain was CachyOS to install for you? I've got Windows 11 on it for now, and it performs well enough, but, I do like a good adventure...
It was easy, just make sure to choose refind as the boot loader.
 

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Because at least for battery life, it seems to do pretty well from what I see of all the reviews out so far.
It throttles to get that battery life.

Are you referring to something like Cinebench MT per wattage?

They delivered on the battery life claim, and the graphics are much better as well. It's everything Qualcomm said it would do, but by Intel.
Both MT and 1T are significantly behind Qualcomm.

LNL has terrible overall CPU performance.
 

jdubs03

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It throttles to get that battery life.




Both MT and 1T are significantly behind Qualcomm.

LNL has terrible overall CPU performance.
Computerbase has the 288V at 127 pts in Cinebench 2024 in ST.
Computerbase has the X1E-84-100 at 127 pts.

So significantly behind is not accurate when referencing ST. At least in Cinebench.

And it’s been known the whole time that LNL wasn’t targeting MT performance.
 
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