Lappy users - Tell me about your Laptop and what u think of it :)

rockhard

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Looking at getting a laptop and would would be grateful of some input from u guys advising me of what be my best buy :)

I want it for surfing, light gaming (nothing more taxing than Quake2) and everyday dogsbody use instead of having to tie myself to my Desktop.

What features should i be looking for?

I dont want to spend a fortune, so could do with some advice on what i should be looking for in the specs so that it'll do what i need without breaking the bank ;)

Oh yeah, picture quality is a must :D

thanx guys,

rockhard =)

[edit] Some make/model recommendations be much appreciated :D
 

jaywallen

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Hi,

I hate to tell you this, but the ideas of not spending much money and "good picture quality" are mutually exclusive in notebook computers. Large, high resolution, high contrast (e.g. TFT / active matrix) LCD displays still cost a bundle, though the cost has been abated somewhat by recent improvements in manufacturing yields. Also, the video subsystems on notebooks tend to not be much of a gamer's perfect solution, too.

I use a Dell Inspiron 7500, PIII 500 MHz, 133 MHz FSB, 12 gig drive, 6X DVD-ROM, 128 MB RAM, SXGA+ (1400 x 1050) TFT screen with an 8 MB ATI Rage Mobility P video card running W2K Pro as my personal system. All system functions are fine from a workaday standpoint, but I wouldn't call it a gamer's delight. The screen is beautiful, and does as fine a job of displaying text and static images as anything I've seen. The only games I play are adventure games like Myst, Riven, ZGI and Zork Nemesis, so I have little idea of the problems the system might present to someone who plays games that require high frame rates. If memory serves me, the system cost me in the neighborhood of $4,000 about a year ago. It has been reliable, once I got rid of the OEM disk image and updated the drivers. It's big for a notebook, and it's kind of hard-edged and ugly looking. The ergonomics are poor, but I did adapt to them eventually. The keyboard has a large palm rest area with a relatively sharp edge at the front which requires me to remove my watch before typing, and it hits a pressure point for my wrists that I have finally learned to work around. The "touchpad" is something people either love or hate. If you hate it and want to use another pointing device, you're in for a tough time getting the touchpad to stop pestering you unless you use a PS/2 device. (A USB device won't be detected during POST, so the touchpad comes up raring to go. I've read mixed reports on the use of serial-connected pointing devices.) It's heavy for a notebook which is not a problem for me, but is for some. Don't expect to use one of these things on your lap, unless you use a lap board. The faster ones run way too hot to hold on your lap, and some of them even require a flat solid surface underneath if you're to avoid overheating of the system.

In the Dell and IBM lines there are several systems which have SXGA+ (1400 x 1050) and UXGA (1600 x 1200) 15+" screens. They are drop-dead gorgeous, like the one on my notebook. But they are expensive, and big. I'd recommend that you look at the Dell I8000, an new release. It is available with UXGA, 32 MB ATI graphics (not sure if Radeon or not), big hard drives, internal DVD-ROM and / or internal CD-RW. But it is expensive. IBM has similar offerings.

One last note for the new notebook computer buyer. These things get obsolete FAST. I know that we're all used to a vicious replacement cycle, but my I7500 was first released this time last year. It was the top of Dell's portable line, and it was advertised as a "desktop replacement". (Will marketers ever stop with the total BS? Okay, maybe it's a replacement for a SLOW desktop.) It is no longer offered for sale, and I can see that driver and utility updates for use under Windows and Linux are dwindling to the vanishing point already. That means that I may not ever see any later variants of these operating systems running on this machine. (You should see the people who bought another model, the I7000, whose lifespan preceded this system's by just a couple of months. They can't even run W2K with an ACPI HAL, and they're not ever going to be able to do so. Kind of a moderately crummy deal for someone who has spent 4 Gs on a system, don't you think?)

So do go into this purchase with your eyes wide open and with no false expectations. I love notebooks and have used many more of them as personal machines than I have desktop systems. But they are not the be-all and end-all of the computing experience that the sales doods would have you believe. If you order one of these babes, get it from someone who has a 30-day no questions asked return policy. If you don't absolutely love it, considering the price of the bloomin' things, return that sucker! Consumers need all the pressure that can be brought to bear to make the manufacturers toe the line on value for the bucks!

BTW, you can't try a Dell out ahead of time unless you know someone who has one they can make available to you. You can at least try out the IBMs and Toshibas (another excellent brand, just a bit behind the curve performance-wise, but usually the best ergonomics and industrial design).

Have fun!

Regards,
Jim
 

rockhard

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thanx jim

That was a great reply.
Sure has helped a lot :)
I was surprised at Dell's treatment of their customers in the support department :(
This is enough to make me not even consider buying a Dell :(

I have been looking at the IBM's, Toshiba's and Compaq's.
Have noticed that Toshiba are pretty good with their support, in that older Toshiba's can run win2k with their latest drivers for them :)
One firm i know very little of is Compaq - do you know much about their support/notebooks?

Heh, think i'll go open a few browser windows and do some more research. This is goin to be hard to choose :(

Thanx,

rockhard =)
 

LordSandMan

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Well, you said you didn't want to spend too much money. It would help if you gave a price range. I just ordered a Dell Inspiron 4000 last week. Haven't recieved it yet.
14 active tft
P3 600
192 MB Ram
10 GIG HD
I got it for under $2000 (education price)

A couple of other things - These are just standard recommendations for anyone buying a laptop.

Unless you absolutely need it, don't buy a laptop
-More likely to be stolen
-More likely to break
-more expensive to fix

Just an FYI
6 months ago I used to work for a compaq authorized service center. Compaq's quality control sucks. It was not uncommon to order 2-3 parts before getting a working part.
 

astroview

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I do tech support at my Universities Business school. Basically I see every laptop possible, because the MBA students come from a lot of different places. (Taiwan, Germany, UK, US)

I have had good times working on fixing their Dells, they don't give many problems. The Sonys are, excuse me, damn sexy :)

Compaq and Gateway always seem a bit bulky. Sony Vaios seem like the smallest. Dell also has some smaller ones that are nice.

Fujitsu has given us a lot of troubles, and some people I work with also hate servicing Toshiba. IBM's have nice technology, but they are not very pretty. Coolness factor is something I like.

One thing I know for sure, when you have computer troubles, you want to won a dell!!! They have nice, fast, good tech support. Remember, this is a laptop, not a desktop, so its a lot harder to fix yourself. I will probably get some flack for this, but just my opinion after all.
 

rockhard

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thanx guys :)

i think i'll forget the gaming - i spend little time gaming now anyways.

Ive just been looking on Sony's webby and noticed their little picture book - C1.
It has 600mhz Crusoe processor, ATI Rage Mobility 8mb video, 128mb ram, 8.9" UWXGA width (1024 x 480) TFT with XWIDE? display technology.
Now this sounds ideal for my mobile browsing needs as its light (2.2 pounds) and can go up to 8 hours battery :) and would allow me to do everything i currently do on my desktop except games)

Link to C1 picture book

Do u guys rate this little notebook?


rockhard =)
 

Lord Gwynz

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I'm currently using a Toshiba Tecra 8100, PIII/450, 128 meg RAM, 14.1" TFT and for the most part I'm pretty happy with it. Great screen, nice keyboard feel, love the trackpointer (hate touchpads) and good support via online Toshiba forums at http://forums.compuserve.com/vlforums/default.asp?SRV=Toshiba&Loc=US&Access=Public .
It uses the S3 Savage/MX video chipset so 3D games like Quake2/3 and UT run pretty well on it as long as you stick to the lower resolutions. A comparable laptop would be the Thinkpad T20, uses the same video I believe and it was going for pretty cheap last time I checked, at PCCONNECTION I think it was around $1800! I paid around $2300 for my laptop about 6 mos. ago or so. Both come with 3 yr. warranties, which was a serious consideration for me. If you really want fluid 3D gaming look at the ATI 128 (M3?) chipset used in the Thinkpad A20p and the Dell 5000e(?). Nice feature of the Thinkpads is the Thinklight that lights up your keyboard in the dark!