Landlords and tenants: What advice do you have for an up and coming landlord?

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rbhawcroft

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renting the van Hoogstraten way

the heavies for 2am convictions are not a bad idea, at least in a low gun ownership country.

best not to rent to people who are the type who have problems paying rent etc, they are scum, so forget about that and go for people who are reliable as everyone has said. some students arent so bad but at least 2/3rds are, in terms of damage, mess, night time noise etc.
 

rbhawcroft

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oh yeah dont you think that buying a whole block is the wrong idea? as it would be your first investment dont you want to try the lower downside risk of just one rental property not a whole block?
 

rbhawcroft

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like tscentre said some of the people here sound like their idea landlords is their friend and doesnt make a profit.

ill tell you a semirelevant story. I stayed in Cairo for 6 months with my degree, and we didnt jump into getting a flat and ultimately got the cheapest and in many respects the best, it wasnt the largest or flashyest either.

at the end we had the rent six weeks before we left and then two weeks beofre so I said to my flatmates 2 lets give then two weeks rent and tell them to fold the deposit into the last month then meet us a few days before we go to settle bills and damage (none). eventually they agreed, and the guy left with two weeks rent and we agreed to meet a week before we all left, then he pulls a huge phone bill on us saying mobile calls are a lot, fortunately i had had the idea of going to the phone office and getting a partial bill. anyway his 'bill' was 1100 LE and our rent was 1200 a month, and the real one was about 40 LE. All the other flats just expected to meet the landlords a day before they left for the airport and get their deposit back and none of them did, some people even got forcibly evicted a few days before the end.
 

Freejack2

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Some other things to think about. Small pets like cats aren't too bad but make sure you charge a deposit for the cats and require the carpets to be clean when the tenant moves out. A good deposit for pets would be an equivalent of 1 months rent. So if the rent is $500 then the pet deposit is $250. We have 2 cats and our neighbors have a cat. The landlord required a deposit up front and the carpets to be cleaned when we move out.
As for credit. Don't dump someone just because they have a bad credit report. Look carefully at the report. Yeah there are some true deadbeats but there are others who just had problems in their past. A good example was my ex-roomate. He had a bad credit history because of things in the past. But he worked for the state for many years and never missed a rent payment. You probably will want to look at their recent history. If they show they've been stably employed for a while it's probably not a big deal. Doesn't hurt to check with the person's previous landlords though.
 

GoodRevrnd

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I think cat's, *most* reptiles, and fish are fairly safe for pets, and if you have them leave a deposit and even a mandatory carpet shampooing or something then it should be ok.


Here's one big complaint I have as a tenant that is marginally related. If you have semi-respectable tenants, DON'T FSCKING BUT THE CHEAPEST CARPET YOU CAN!! I would GREATLY appreciate it if my landlord had bought moderate quality STAIN-RESISTANT carpet rather than this POS stuff that doesn't even hold up walking in and out of the front door. So many landlords bitch about having to replace the carpet all the time, but when you buy the worst, cheapest possible, even when you have good tennants, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT?! And the tennants don't want to have to pay for your cheapass carpet when they leave either!

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So in summation, cheap carpet = bad. Buy stain-resistant.
 

Vic

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Yep, yep, I posted as a "tenant" and not as someone who has worked in real estate, including property management for independent landloards, for more than 10 years...
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I'll say it again:
- Allow small pets. By that I mean, no more than 2 per apartment, both pets under 20lbs, both spayed or neutered, with shots. Have the tenants sign the usual waiver, which removes you from liability from any damage or injury caused by said pets, and require the appropriate deposits for them.
- Screen your tenants carefully, particularly for good credit. Do not allow persons with poor credit, poor employment histories, or with government assistance (aka section 8) to be tenants in your properties. If you have good tenants, with strong employment and credit histories, they will pay their rents on time and take good care of your property and then you will not be "The Evil Slum Lord."
- Re-invest back into your property for maintenance, remodeling, and upkeep. Once again, if you do not want to be "The Evil Slum Lord," then all you have to do is not own slums.
- Always collect security deposits upfront, appropriate to your market and building. Deposits should be at least equal to 1/2 the first month's rent. Security deposits are not fees. If a tenant leaves a clean apartment upon move-out, refund the deposit. If they don't, don't. You do not want a reputation as a landlord that doesn't refund deposits even when a tenant leaves a clean apartment. Security deposits are NOT income. Same with pet deposits, which should be at least equal to the security deposit, per pet (do not allow more than 2, both under 20 lbs, insist on spayed or neutered). If you wish, charge a cleaning or move-in fee, which should roughly equal the cost of a cleaning crew.
- Always have your tenants sign leases, for at least six months. If you do decide to have your tenants go month-to-month, collect first and last months' rent upfront, in addition to the deposits.
- Always collect application fees for prospective tenants, of roughly $35 per applicant. This keeps the riff-raff from applying.
- Remember that it is always better to have an empty apartment than it is to have a full apartment with a bad tenant. Remember that a good tenant, who pays his/her rent on time, and is quiet, is worth their weight in gold.
- (I'm gonna get flamed for this) It's a well-known "secret" among landlords that gay couple tenants are the best. They have no children, are usually quiet, tend to have good incomes and pay their rents on time, and take pride in where they live and sometimes even occassionaly do upgrades and remodels for you. I have known some landlords, particularly for single-family homes, that will ONLY rent to gay couples.
- Last but not least, get the appropriate umbrella insurance policy for your building.

You can take 2 sides to being a landlord. You can think of your tenants as scum, as the enemy, like tcsenter suggests, and guess what? They will think of you the same way. Your building will become a pit and you will have to accept lower quality tenants just to keep it occupied. Or you can think of your tenants as your valued customers and your building as an exclusive location for the privledged to live in, maintain it and upgrade it to reflect that thinking, and guess what? It will be, and you will be able to select from high-quality prospective tenants and charge high rents.
Either way, I still suggest that, if you intend to be a non-occupant landlord, you hire a good property management firm with an excellent reputation in your area.
 

Red Dawn

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As a person who was a Property Manager for ten years all I can say is sell your place and invest your money elsewhere.

So for those of you who have rented out to others before what would you say is the worst aspect of landlording?
Tenants. Sure there are good tenants but for the most part they suck. The best tenants are single women and Homosexuals. At least they'll keep the place clean.
Do not under any circumstance rent to single males, especially if there are more than one. Also don't rent to anybody under thirty who hasn't been at his current job for more than 5 years. And never rent to any guys in College. They'll be blasting DMB crap 7/24, throwing parties and trashing your property.

On average what would you say the condition of your property is like once a tenant leaves?
Well if you rent to Single Females and Homosexuals the place is usually decent. On the other hand if you rent to single Males or Families living paycheck to paycheck the place is usually a mess. Make sure you ask for a hefty Cleaning Deposit. Not that it will do you any good if they take you to small claims court if you keep any of it for Damages.