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hey guys. wow, has it been forever since i've posted. well hopefully i can have some spare time to continue what i used to do. well back to the topic. i have dsl at my house. i have been running a 30 foot cat 5 or cat 6, not exactly sure into my room, which then runs into a 4 port hub, with one uplink or 5 port. it is meant for an xbox lan party. i can do fine hooking up 4 xboxs together on lan or by hooking two computers up to the internet in my room. the problem i am having though is that i ran a 100 ft cat 5 cable down to my basement, and then moved the hub downstairs. then from there connected to computers. whenever i played games such as half-life and such i would get ctd or freezing problems. this only happens when i was downstairs. i am thinking it is something to do with not enough bandwidth running to the downstairs or something with the hub. also, when i connect two xboxs, with xbox lives, my connection gets lost on one of them or both of them. as you can see i have been having problems hooking up two xboxs and with connecting multiple pcs from far away. there are other pcs directly in the same room as the dsl not having any problems. any help would be appreciated. sorry for such a long post. here are specs just in case.

amd xp 2500+ mobile oc'ed to 3200
512 mb crucial 3200
ati 9800 pro
80gb wd hd
nf7-s
 
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amdskip

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Don't you need to use a router to split up the dsl (assuming your are playing on live).
 
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yes, the linksys router is upstairs, and it has the ethernet cable going out of it to a hub, where then the connecting splits for each xbox.
 
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Originally posted by: SaintTigurius
use a router a switch sucks, router will be better and faster for playing the games, and a smart choice
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uh...no?

Did you make the cable you ran from your basement to the upstairs? Or is it one that was pre-terminated?

Also are you using the uplink port on your switch downstairs? if you are, check to ensure the 1 and uplink aren't shared, and that if they are you don't have a cable going to both, this would cause problems similar to the one you described..
 
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SaintTigurius

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Either for your computer force the speed of the NIC to 10Full duplex,

get a cat 5e cable

But for two xbox's are u sure u can have them both connected to the same game at the same time, cause you only get on wan ip address from you internet provider and alot of servers wont let you on cause it thinks you hacking when two of the same IP address try to enter the xbox network.. ( but i am not 100% about that)
 
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i bought the hundred foot cat5 cable. my hub has 5 ports. either all five can be used for a lan. or one can be the uplink, which is set aside and labled as so, and four can be used to link to the devices. there is a switch on one side saying i am using normal, i guess for lans, or uplink, to get the internet to all devices. i have tried both and they both let me connect to the internet, but then i get kicked. i know it must be soemthing with the 100 ft cord. maybe not enough bandwidth maybe. i can use the hub in my room with two comptuers and it works fine. but you have to remember, the cable connecting the hub to the router is only 30 ft in this case.

about the xbox issue. i thought that if you had a router, that it created seperate ip addresses. o well, i think i might know what the problem is. i may be able to use two different ports on the router for the xbox, then the ip address would be different. thanks for the info guys. i really want to figure this out so i can host a lan.
 
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Originally posted by: SaintTigurius
use a router a switch sucks, router will be better and faster for playing the games, and a smart choice
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Routers have switches build into them AFAIK... that would mean routers suck too?


*fails to see the logic behind this statement*
 
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Actually you should probably start with 10 Half. See if that works, then move up to 10 Full. If that goes well go up to 100 Half and so on. If you fail with any of these steps up then you probably have a cable issue. Did you make this 100 footer yourself? If so then I would definitely look at that angle first. In fact you can expect that to be your problem.
 
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no,i purchased this cable at a local computer store. so angle meaning what exactly?????? i am a little lost by what you mean. and when you are talking about the network card, do i change those settings for each computer on the network.

and i'm sorry, this may sound really noobish, because i'm not the best at networking by any means, but how exactly do i adjust the settings that you guys are describing.
 
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SaintTigurius

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Win2k -winXp

Right click on my computer and go to properties

hardware tab

device manager

+ pluse sign beside network adapters

- right click on ur adapter, click properties

- go to advanced tab

look for media type, or link speed , set it to 10base half duplex ( might say different like 10half or, 10basehalf) pic one of those

apply changes and thats it.
 
skyking

skyking

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The way I am interpreting this post:
hub downstairs, with MDI/-MDI/X switch on the side. 100 foot premade cat5. ROUTER? Other computers plugged into router.

He cannot elect or select any speed from windows for a connection between the router and switch. windows does not "own" that interface:p
If he had a sophisticated router, maybe he could do it there. I really doubt that, though.
You did not tell us is you were able to play with the 4 x-boxes and a computer with the 30 foot cable. That would be a good test of the 100 foot cable, by the process of elimination. If it works with the 4 x-boxes and a computer on LAN play with the 30ft, but not the 100ft, then you have a bad cable.

What model of router do you have? some are not compatible with xbox live. They may work OK with one, but not multiple xboxes.
Link
I found that link here with google.
Also, you need to have multiple accounts, one for each xbox you wish to go live.
Another thing to try is to give up on the computers, plug the 100 foot cable into the modem and move the router downstairs. This will put the traffic on the 4 interfaces of the router itself, which is much more efficient than running all 4 back upstairs through one connection.
 
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Porter21

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wow, you guys are amazing. thanks for the help. i am going to try these ideas. i would move router downstairs, but three of my comptuers are upstairs. with the thirty foot cable and hub i can run two comps and xbox live at same time with no problems. i do have two separate accounts on two separate xboxs. this cable was kind of cheap. maybe it is the culprit.

but this is where i get confused. i can use the 100ft cable to play xbox live on one xbox just fine, but if i try to connect multiple ones or if i connect multiple computers then is suffer crashes on steam for half-life, or troubleshooting errors on xbl.

by the way, my network adaptor was on autonegotiation before i changed it. whatever that means.
 
skyking

skyking

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according to that link in my post, the V2 is not compatible, but the v4 is.
 
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imported_AlThor

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AmdSkip has the right of it, if you are running a line that is approaching the 100ft. mark, you run into the problem of attenuation (degradation) of your signal that is being sent up and down that 100ft line. One way to eliminate this is to either purchase a repeater (probably not the ideal solution) or to limit your cable length by running the cable through your walls.

Another problem i see on your network side is your Hub. Why on earth would you use a hub when you could pay an additional $25-$50 and purchase a full duplex switch (enables dedicated ports, which allow full bandwidth usage for each port....no sharing!!)

Take a look at either of these two options and you'll find your fix. I hope this helps. Happy Gaming!!:D
 
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Porter21

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wow, thanks a lot for all the helpful info. the only reason i use this hub is because it is something that i had around. so, if i buy a switch, do you think that will probably solve my problem.
 
skyking

skyking

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it might improve the gaming between the local machines, but it will not resolve the inability to use xbox live with more than one machine.
 
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