Lamest 3200+ Winchester in existence?

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Ackbar

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Here's my system:
Chaintech VNF4 Ultra (newest beta bios)
1 GB of OCZ PC3700 Platinum TCCD
AMD 3200+ Winchester Retail (with retail HSF)
X700 Pro (waiting for preordered X800 XL to get rid of this POS)
36.7 GB WD Raptor + 120 GB WD
Neopower 480W PSU
Silverstone SST-TJ05-ST (with Thermal Controller! Highly under-rated case BTW)

Everything looks good for a pretty decent overclock doesn't it? WRONG!
I can get 2100 stable on default voltage, beyond that, 2200 might be stable at 1.45V but really only barely. Higher than that... I can boot into windows at 2500 at 1.6V, but any Prime95ing or SuperPiing results in a BSOD and restart of the computer.

So basically 100 MHz is the highest stable o/c I can get. Anyone see a lamer overclock? I used to be able to overclock my P3-450 about this much, and my P3-850 about 150 MHz! I'm depressed... :(

BTW- Big waste of money on the ram b/c it can't get as tight timings as 3200 Plat Rev 2 at low speeds, since it's designed for tighter timings at high speeds (which I can't achieve). And it's ironic because the 3700 Plat costs significantly more too.
 
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Originally posted by: fireontheway
Are you running 1:1 and did you lower the HT multiplier?
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Tried everything. My ram is rated for 233 at 2-3-3-6 1T but I can't even get to 233 stably, but assumedly I can run around 2-3-3-6 under 233. I've definitely tried going all the way to from 200 to 166-133-100 with the loosest timings possible and lowered HT muliplier to 3 simultaneously. No change in stability.
 
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With my board (Via K8tpro so it may be completely different) you have to lower the HTT or whatever it's called as you go up in fsb to keep other things in spec. Try lowering that.
 
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Originally posted by: silverpig
With my board (Via K8tpro so it may be completely different) you have to lower the HTT or whatever it's called as you go up in fsb to keep other things in spec. Try lowering that.
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Already been tried several times, went from 5X to 4X when I do any o/cing, then down to 3X as soon as I try above 2100. It makes no difference in stability.
 
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I think the newer chips suck at OC'ing. Mine won't go past 2.4ghz....although I found out today that it'll do 300FSBx8 which isn't bad.
 
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Originally posted by: govtcheez75
I think the newer chips suck at OC'ing. Mine won't go past 2.4ghz....although I found out today that it'll do 300FSBx8 which isn't bad.
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If I could even get to 2300 or 2400 stably, I'd be happy! Unfortunately, I need a rather high level of stability since my computer is primarily used for highly CPU intensive computations.
 
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Well as soon as you find out that your ram doesn't run under stock you should RMA. It's up to you.
 
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Originally posted by: Mrvile
Well as soon as you find out that your ram doesn't run under stock you should RMA. It's up to you.
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Huh? What gave you the impression my ram doesn't run under stock? I can run it up to 250 (highest bootable speed) at around CAS 2.5 without problems. Going down to 200 isn't a problem either, I can run 2-3-3-6 at 200. So I'm not sure I understand your comment. I've asked OCZ reps about the fact that the PC3700 TCCD can not do 2-2-2-5 at 200 and they reply simply that higher speed bin chips will not necessarily run tighter timings under the speeds they're rated for. It's as simple as that. Pleast take a look at:
http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6861
for more thoughts on this matter.

Edit: I think this is an important point about high speed memory.
 
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Ackbar

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Originally posted by: cirthix
sounds like a pci lock issue
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PCI or PCI-E? I only have one PCI card (wireless internet card) and I had the same problem when I wasn't using it. My PCI-E is in theory locked at 100, but should still be able to handle a slight o/c even if it weren't. Also, I would've thought someone else would've noticed a similar problem if that were the case.
 
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Rand

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Try throwing a small fan on the Nforce4 chipset.
On my motherboard (K8NF-9) I tried disconnecting the fan to quiet the system slightly.... boom I was no longer able to run the HTT beyond 230MHz (230x10=2.3GHz), plug the chipset fan back in and she'll run Prime95 all day at 2.7GHz.

The NF4 is definitely a very hot running chipset.
 
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Originally posted by: Ackbar
Originally posted by: Mrvile
Well as soon as you find out that your ram doesn't run under stock you should RMA. It's up to you.
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Huh? What gave you the impression my ram doesn't run under stock? I can run it up to 250 (highest bootable speed) at around CAS 2.5 without problems. Going down to 200 isn't a problem either, I can run 2-3-3-6 at 200. So I'm not sure I understand your comment. I've asked OCZ reps about the fact that the PC3700 TCCD can not do 2-2-2-5 at 200 and they reply simply that higher speed bin chips will not necessarily run tighter timings under the speeds they're rated for. It's as simple as that. Pleast take a look at:
http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6861
for more thoughts on this matter.

Edit: I think this is an important point about high speed memory.
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Right, not all PC3200 EL Plat Rev 2 can do PC3700 spec and vise versa, even though they're both using TCCD chips.

If you need any help with setting up your memory, feel free to PM me. It does sound like you have all the memory timings and voltages set correctly. To me, it sounds like the board is having issues. I've heard from other people that this board doesn't overclock too well and Chaintech should be releasing a better BIOS in the near future.
 
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Ackbar

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Originally posted by: Rand
Try throwing a small fan on the Nforce4 chipset.
On my motherboard (K8NF-9) I tried disconnecting the fan to quiet the system slightly.... boom I was no longer able to run the HTT beyond 230MHz (230x10=2.3GHz), plug the chipset fan back in and she'll run Prime95 all day at 2.7GHz.

The NF4 is definitely a very hot running chipset.
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I've tried a small fan, I've tried a big fan. I've taken the stock heatsink off and reapplied AS5. Trust me, I've tried it all.
 
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Ackbar

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Originally posted by: magomago
and maybe you did get a bad chip~ overlcocking isn't always guarnateed
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I agree. My sole point though is that in all likelihood I got a chip that is much below the mean in performance (maybe even 3 standard deviations below!). And hence the title of my post, which intentionally wasn't, "Find my limitation." That's the type of luck that I have, apparently... :frown:

Edit: This is even worse than getting a chip that is not stable at stock speeds b/c at least then you could RMA it!
 
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Ackbar

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Originally posted by: OCZ John
Right, not all PC3200 EL Plat Rev 2 can do PC3700 spec and vise versa, even though they're both using TCCD chips.

If you need any help with setting up your memory, feel free to PM me. It does sound like you have all the memory timings and voltages set correctly. To me, it sounds like the board is having issues. I've heard from other people that this board doesn't overclock too well and Chaintech should be releasing a better BIOS in the near future.
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I think I've figured that the problems are slipt 60/40 or 70/30 where the greater portion of the limitations are due to the CPU and the lesser due to the mobo. Consider that I'm not even totally stable at 2200! Which has in the past been considered to be within the realm of stability even for this board on the original bios without tweaking anything!
 
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Ackbar

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If someone comes up with a suggestion that I haven't tried... I would be incredibly grateful though! But I've read through everything I could find, and tried everything I could think of... so I don't know what else is even viable.

Oh BTW- I've tried every bios that Chaintech has put out for this mobo.
 
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you could have gotten a bad winchester. my retail 3200+ only does 2200mhz stable at 1.55v. worst overclock i've ever had with a new chip =(
 
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Ackbar

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Originally posted by: tr1kstanc3
you could have gotten a bad winchester. my retail 3200+ only does 2200mhz stable at 1.55v. worst overclock i've ever had with a new chip =(
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That REALLY sucks! What week do you have and what mobo are you using? I know, this is the worst o/c I've had too, I've had better even with Pentium 3 Slot 1 CPUs!
 
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