Lag on Cable, Should i move to DSL?

[Akaz1976]

I recently move to new place and my ave ping on CS/DoD games has jumped from never more than 200 to ave of 3-400 at peak times. I also get upto 5 sec lag on DAoC play. Could this be something other than just too many people on my cable node? (I got internet sharing on 3 PCs with a Cable/DSL router.

I have following DSL service option and i am wondering whether i should switch to it.

1.2mb Home User ADSL Service
Includes:
- 1 Static IP
- 10 Megs Personal Website Hosting (www.dsl.ca/~your-site)
- 5 Web based e-mail family accounts
- DSL.Ca PPPoE Access Manager (more stable version)
- 24 hours 7 days a week Technical support



Also if anyone has had similar experience with cable or DSL in GTA, pls let me know

thankyou

Akaz

 

[SteelCityFan]

They probably have over sold your node. My pings are rarely above 100 no matter where the server is. Find out how far you are from the DSL station. Let them know of your problems with cable, and tell them you are interested in trying their service. Ask for a free first month, they might just give it to you... or at least a money back guarentee on the first month. The shot at a long time customer would be worth a free month.

During that time.. keep both and compare.

 

[cmdrdredd]

DSl has been better for me...but I'm a bridged user which means I'm ALWAYS connected to the server. Even when my comp is off the modem is connected. No PPPOE garbage for me. I got in on DSl when it was new and I'm locked into a node with hardle another person around me using it

 

[Akaz1976]

The no PPOE package costs 150 a month . What is this PPOE thing anyways?

Akaz

 

[goog]

Originally posted by: Akaz1976
The no PPOE package costs 150 a month . What is this PPOE thing anyways?

Akaz

Point-to-Point Protocol over Ethernet

definition

I've got DSL and find it to be very decent. I haven't tried a cable modem since 98, but back then, at least, cable was subpar here.

 

[SteelCityFan]

Yep, the DSL/Cable debate is always dependent on where you live. Here, cable has been up and down as far as pings etc. Pretty reliable, but there are a lot of people moving to the area so if they don't keep up on it you can tell. Right before the switch from @home, it was horrible... but it has been good ever since. Pings are up slightly over the last month though, but that is likely to because Comcast upped the cap from 1.5 to 1.8. I play a lot of online games so I keep good tabs on it.

 

[Akaz1976]

Is there a program that would keep tabs on my internet connection? and let me track when the connections slows. I believe download/upload bandwidth is a different thing from the ping problems, since sat internet also has high bandwidth available but has high ping. And it is the ping that i want to track.

THanx

Akaz

 

[ScottyB]

go to analogx.com and search around for NetStatLive

 

[Goosemaster]

To reiterate, broadband is as variable as you can get.

Her at home, comcast used to easily retain its 3.5Mbps-4.5Mbps speeds, but now struggles yet operates at a lowly 1.5Mbps in comparison.

Another example is a client of mine who just setup dsl at home. It was advertised at 128/768k and he NEVER dipps below 300/4000 ...go figure....


Obviously, broadband has a ways to go, so try both out if you like, but I assure that relying on others to give you accurate numbers will get you nowhere....


Just a few miles away, friends get 4Mbps+....I know WHY...but the again, knowing WHY theirs runs faster won't solve my speed-based dilemmas


Why do you think t1's are still so expensive for their speed. THey transfer at 1.5Mbps as well as my line, and mine periodically runs faster. My clients basically blows the T1 out of the water...

My question again;why is it so expensive?

A good t1 line is usally up around 98% of the time;dsl or cable have NO such guarentee, and even business class dsl/cable is not as reliable.

Consumer broadband, by design...marketing design that its, is extremely undependable, so you have to take the time to try out your local services to see which operator provides what you are looking for.


Good luck


My advice: Try dsl


Test it.

Then choose.

 

[SteelCityFan]

Goosemaster.

You are capped at 1.8/128. Back when it was Comcast@Home, they advertised 1.5Mbps, but not all locations were capped because they did not care as much since they did not own the network. I have Comcast as well. In fact, about 3 weeks ago, comcast moved their cap from 1.5 to 1.8... so, if you have not done so since then, power cycle your modem to see the new speeds.

T1's go for about $800 a month in my area. They are more because you have a dedicated line... same upload as download. Not too many ISP's provide 1.5Mbps upload... I used to get that with @Home back when I first signed up... then the lines got conjested. They also give a lower ping in most cases, come with multiple IP's and more personalized support. They are also more because they are geared to business. Services for businesses cost more. Look into Business DSL... you barely get anything extra, but you pay 3 times as much.

 

Go dsl, I went from cable in Florida to my dsl here with static ip. Always on makes a big difference .

 

[Zugzwang152]

Usually DSL lines guarantee whatever bandwidth you buy. Cable is the one that varies like a mofo. a 384/384 line should be plenty if the bandwidth is guaranteed.

 

[Dean]

It all depends on where you are at and how congested the network you are on is. I have used both cable and dsl and have good results with both. The dsl where I happen to live now is garbage but the cable has been very reliable so far. I would put these ping times up against anyone with dsl.



1 5 ms 3 ms 4 ms pei-r22.eastlink.ca [24.222.22.1]
2 10 ms 12 ms 14 ms vl65.hlfx-dr2.eastlink.ca [24.222.97.33]
3 10 ms 10 ms 9 ms vl154.hlfx-dr1.eastlink.ca [24.222.79.125]
4 11 ms 10 ms 12 ms ge9-0-0.hlfx-br1.eastlink.ca [24.222.79.205]
5 10 ms 11 ms 12 ms 205.150.223.93
6 33 ms 32 ms 31 ms 140.at-6-0-0.XR2.MTL1.ALTER.NET [152.63.132.158]

7 29 ms 30 ms 31 ms 0.so-0-0-0.XL2.MTL1.ALTER.NET [152.63.133.41]
8 37 ms 32 ms 31 ms 0.so-0-1-0.TL2.MTL1.ALTER.NET [152.63.133.62]
9 45 ms 46 ms 46 ms 0.so-5-0-0.TL2.DCA8.ALTER.NET [152.63.3.177]
10 47 ms 45 ms 62 ms 0.so-4-3-0.XL2.DCA8.ALTER.NET [152.63.144.30]
11 48 ms 48 ms 49 ms 288.at-6-1-0.XR2.TCO1.ALTER.NET [146.188.162.254
]
12 50 ms 55 ms 53 ms 192.ATM7-0.GW3.PIT1.ALTER.NET [152.63.37.5]
13 60 ms 56 ms 57 ms stargate-gw.customer.alter.net [157.130.6.78]
14 53 ms 54 ms 54 ms f0-0.eth.gr-1.cc.pa.stargate.net [209.166.164.62
]
15 56 ms 57 ms 56 ms s1-0.hdlc.gr-1.pitdc1.pa.stargate.net [216.151.8
7.182]
16 54 ms 54 ms 54 ms v1.eth.cr-3.pitdc1.pa.stargate.net [209.166.165.
71]
17 53 ms 55 ms 54 ms www.anandtech.com [216.151.100.123]

Trace complete.

 

[GarlicBreath]

Originally posted by: Akaz1976
Is there a program that would keep tabs on my internet connection? and let me track when the connections slows. I believe download/upload bandwidth is a different thing from the ping problems, since sat internet also has high bandwidth available but has high ping. And it is the ping that i want to track.

THanx

Akaz

Yes, http://www.dslreports.com/ has a line monitor service. It pings you once every ten minutes, 24 hours a day. The first week is free, then it cost one dollar per week.

I was in a similar situation with Comcast. I hade tremendous speeds and pings for a year and a half, then in the last three months my pings went to heck. During peak hours (evenings 5:00 p.m. -11:00 p.m.) my pings be over 500 ms, sometimes over 1000 ms! This was right before and slighly after @Home went under. I spent three months with tech support trying to get it fixed. When @Home went, I couldn't get any help at at all. I cancelled and got DSL.

Getting the DSL hooked up was a nightmare itself, mainly because Ameritech is my local phone service provider. I can't say enough bad things about Ameritech. Dealing with them was total hell. I finally got it working through DirecTVInternet, but Ameritech still had to do the local work. I was very happy with the support from DirecTV, they'd even call me on their own to check on my status.

My DSL has been working fine for five months now. My download speed is always 646-660 Kbps, it never varies. Upload is 136 kbps. Pings are good, all though not as good as I had hoped. Using the ping test at http://pcpitstop.com/internet/pinger.asp , I got 56, 80, 91, 153, 47, 92, and 252 averages for the sites they use. Most US sites I ping 50-100.

Overall, my DSL is not as good as my cable was when my cable was working properly. But of course, my cable stopped working acceptably. I had to get a one year agreement to get DSL, when its up I'll go check my neighbor's ping on cable to see if Comcast fixed it. Then maybe I'll switch back.

 

[Rick014]

I do a fair amount of online gameing, and noticed that when I switched to ADSL, I got a better ping rate.
When I did the switch, I had an overlap of service for about a week and left my son's computer on cable, and had my system on ADSL.
I tried pinging several game servers at the same time, and always got better results with ADSL.
I should also mention that the cable node was just off my property on the corner.
The cable company has since droped their price to where it's cheaper than ADSL, But a better ping rate is more important than a little better sustained download speed in my opinion.
I'm sticking with ADSL.

 

[Fulcrum]

It really depends on your area. Sometimes DSL is better, sometimes cable. Where I am, cable is better beacuse I'm too far away from local office to get more 256kbps DSL. My cable always gets from 900 to 1.3. I don't know about ping times though, no time anymore game online that much

 

[TheMagician]

I would put these ping times up against anyone with dsl.

Sounds like a challenge to me!

1 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms user-2ivef01.dsl.mindspring.com [165.247.60.1]
2 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms 209.165.97.65
3 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms 209.165.97.17
4 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms gigabitethernet4-0-113.ipcolo1.Chicago1.Level3.net [63.208.138.29]
5 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms gigabitethernet5-1.core1.Chicago1.Level3.net [209.244.8.17]
6 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms so-4-0-0.mp1.Chicago1.Level3.net [209.247.10.161]
7 40 ms 40 ms 50 ms so-2-0-0.mp1.NewYork1.Level3.net [64.159.0.234]
8 40 ms 40 ms 50 ms gigabitethernet2-0.core1.NewYork1.Level3.net [64.159.17.5]
9 40 ms 40 ms 40 ms sl-bb20-nyc.sprintlink.net [209.244.160.154]
10 40 ms 50 ms 40 ms sl-bb20-pen-10-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.18.37]
11 41 ms 50 ms 40 ms sl-gw2-pen-9-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.5.10]
12 50 ms 60 ms 50 ms sl-starind-4-0.sprintlink.net [144.228.179.10]
13 40 ms 50 ms 40 ms g2-0.eth.gr-0.pitdc1.pa.stargate.net [206.210.91.230]
14 40 ms 50 ms 50 ms v1.eth.cr-1.pitdc1.pa.stargate.net [209.166.165.69]
15 40 ms 50 ms 40 ms www.anandtech.com [216.151.100.123]

Trace complete.

 

[piasabird]

Ideally you should have a firewall and be able to block certain kinds of signals. Your site can be bombarded with certain types of signals which can slow down your connection speeds. We had a problem once at work and we applied some rule to the firewall that blocked certain kinds of signals and our online access increased by a factor of 10. For instance if someone on your node is running a server thousands of signals cabe goint up and down the pipe slowing it down. Another option is to bypass the Proxy server. A proxy server can slow certain things down.

 

[Chaotic42]

I want to play

1 10.9.80.1 (10.9.80.1) 8.735 ms 8.081 ms 7.733 ms
2 12.220.6.129 (12.220.6.129) 8.245 ms 8.514 ms 8.160 ms
3 12.220.1.162 (12.220.1.162) 11.994 ms 12.777 ms 12.892 ms
4 12.220.0.34 (12.220.0.34) 19.090 ms 20.216 ms 19.637 ms
5 gbr6-p80.sl9mo.ip.att.net (12.123.24.238) 21.116 ms 19.365 ms 21.078 ms
6 tbr1-p013601.sl9mo.ip.a1 10.9.80.1 (10.9.80.1) 8.735 ms 8.081 ms 7.733 ms
7 12.122.10.29 (12.122.10.29) 37.432 ms 37.699 ms 36.978 ms
8 gbr1-p10.wswdc.ip.att.net (12.122.11.162) 36.049 ms 41.352 ms 34.857 ms
9 ar8-a3120s1.wswdc.ip.att.net (12.123.8.173) 36.744 ms 37.889 ms 37.315 ms
10 12.124.237.26 (12.124.237.26) 45.047 ms 47.811 ms 45.739 ms
11 v1.eth.cr-3.pitdc1.pa.stargate.net (209.166.165.71) 50.706 ms 51.190 ms 45.591 ms
12 www.anandtech.com (216.151.100.123) 45.780 ms 46.071 ms 47.185 ms

Insight Cable. 3000/128

 

[Dreadogg]

I will lose my mind if my cable goes down the drain

 

[cmdrdredd]

0 | | 192.168.0.99 | pentium4 | ... | | | | (private use) |
| 1 | | 208.61.4.1 | adsl-61-4-1.mia.bellsouth.net | Miami, FL, USA | | 9 ms
| 2 | | 209.215.49.65 | - | ?Atlanta, GA 30346 | | 10 ms
| 3 | | 209.215.49.14 | - | ?Atlanta, GA 30346 | |29 ms
| 4 | | 65.208.80.113 | 500.POS2-0.GW9.ATL5.ALTER.NET | Atlanta, GA, USA | -05:00 | 28 ms
| 5 | | 152.63.84.250 | 0.so-1-3-0.XL1.ATL5.ALTER.NET | Atlanta, GA, USA | -05:00 | 27 ms
| 6 | | 152.63.146.6 | 0.so-1-2-0.TL1.ATL5.ALTER.NET | Atlanta, GA, USA | -05:00 | 28 ms
| 7 | | 146.188.136.178 | 0.so-5-0-0.TL1.DCA8.ALTER.NET | Washington, DC, USA | -05:00 | 43 ms
| 8 | | 152.63.144.50 | 0.so-4-3-0.XL1.DCA8.ALTER.NET | Washington, DC, USA | -05:00 | 45 ms
| 9 | | 146.188.162.230 | 189.at-6-0-0.XR1.TCO1.ALTER.NET | Tysons Corner, VA, USA | -05:00 | 47 ms
| 10 | | 152.63.37.1 | 193.ATM6-0.GW3.PIT1.ALTER.NET | Pittsburgh, PA, USA | -05:00 | 51 ms
| 11 | | 157.130.6.78 | stargate-gw.customer.alter.net | - | | 51 ms
| 12 | | 209.166.164.62 | f0-0.eth.gr-1.cc.pa.stargate.net | ?Pittsburgh, PA 15222 | | 50 ms
| 13 | | 216.151.87.182 | s1-0.hdlc.gr-1.pitdc1.pa.stargate.net | ?Pitsburgh, PA 15222 | | 50 ms
| 14 | | 209.166.165.69 | v1.eth.cr-1.pitdc1.pa.stargate.net | ?Pittsburgh, PA 15222 | | 50 ms
| 15 | | 216.151.100.123 | www.anandtech.com | ?Pitsburgh, PA 15222 | | 48 ms


average of 48ms peak at 52ms

 

[Akaz1976]

God!!!! my connection is pathetic. I knew that my connection speed had worsened but i hadnt know that it was this bad. I ran the test 3-4 times and each time it was somewhat similar result.

I am gonna try this out at times when i dont have lag and see how the results come in. I hope DSL really improves this cause current situation is unacceptable when i paying $40 a month :|

Akaz

EDIT: Some more tests. look at those pings
EDIT2: How are u guys doing these ping traces? is there a program that i can use to do exact same trace?