Lack of new AM3 CPUs on sale?

[leper84]

Yall realize you are not anywhere near the target market for Llano, right? Take some time to talk to normal people, figure out their needs/wants and youll realize Brazos and Llano are homeruns for AMD.

Its like if I were to say if you drive anything less than a Boss 302 you wasted your money....

 

[richierich1212]

Again, $1000-1600 laptop vs $500 laptop.

Use your brain...

Which is why it's silly to even bring up that picture :biggrin:

 

[RavenSEAL]

Which is why it's silly to even bring up that picture :biggrin:

Ooopsies, quoted the wrong person.

I meant to quote the graph of course...

 

[BallaTheFeared]

The lack of care prevents me from talking his conversation any further.

 

[gmaster456]

$500 llano laptop vs. a $1500+ Core i7 laptop with a GTX460m. Yeah I wonder which is going to give the best performance :whiste:.

 

[Gikaseixas]

$500 llano laptop vs. a $1500+ Core i7 laptop with a GTX460m. Yeah I wonder which is going to give the best performance :whiste:.

agree, Llano mobile should not be compared to i7 + high end gpu laptops. Just not the way to make a comparison, Balla the affraid needs to take it easy lol

 

[BallaTheFeared]

lol the point was the AMD system with the APU doesn't offer enough performance to matter. Not at $600, or $300. It's going to produce low fps in games even with low res/quality settings. It's not an actual opion to consider for most people here and when you increase gpu power it still suffers from that fact that a 1.6GHz stars core is awful even with mobile gpu's.

You could give the Llano a 460m and it would still get trounced, was my point. Saying it's better than Intel HD graphics is not saying anything at all.

 

[Gikaseixas]

It is better than Intel HD 3000. It's a fact, accept it.

You have to stop and think. We're discussing cpu's and gpu's in one package, aka apu's or what have you. Please tell us, what does intel makes at comparable prices that outperforms Llano mobile in games??? Checkmate....

 

[gmaster456]

lol the point was the AMD system with the APU doesn't offer enough performance to matter. Not at $600, or $300. It's going to produce low fps in games even with low res/quality settings. It's not an actual opion to consider for most people here and when you increase gpu power it still suffers from that fact that a 1.6GHz stars core is awful even with mobile gpu's.

You could give the Llano a 460m and it would still get trounced, was my point. Saying it's better than Intel HD graphics is not saying anything at all.

Seems like you just can't get past llanos clock speed, which really isn't as big of an issue as your making it out to be. And your last sentence makes no sense.

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1636/5/

 

[Gikaseixas]

Also, remember that Llano's target is not the hardcore gamer. It's a decent apu that plays a few games at a reasonable setting and average laptop resolutions. Intel while being better on the processor side cannot compete here.

I would be dumb to compare my brand new Envy 15 (with a fast i7 quad, and Dedicated Radeon gpu) with a Llano laptop, just can't do it.

 

[pcsavvy]

Some people are not interested in a high end laptop , they just want the best bang for limited funds. Llano offers the best compromise between low cost and a decent system that can do the basics and little gaming on the side. And some people would prefer the longest battery life with the best graphics rahter than short battery life with top of the line mobile graphics.
Some people do not have the budget for high end laptop, they would rather have a high end desk top.

For those extremely tight budgets a llano can offer a foot in the door for certain applications whereas intel is great for other applications.
It all comes down to what the consumer can afford and where they want to compromise on their system--cpu power or graphics power at the low price end.:hmm:

 

[BallaTheFeared]

It is better than Intel HD 3000. It's a fact, accept it.

You have to stop and think. We're discussing cpu's and gpu's in one package, aka apu's or what have you. Please tell us, what does intel makes at comparable prices that outperforms Llano mobile in games??? Checkmate....

I never said it wasn't, lol the HD 3000 doesn't produce enough power neither does the Llano though (for me).

The thread started about the desktop sku's, we've kind jacked the thread but the OP was already answered anyways.

I'm coming from the perspective of a gamer with a gaming desktop, if I bought a laptop I'd expect to it produce decent IQ and push higher resolutions than 1280x1024 or 800x600 as one poster linked. Yes with even lower IQ you can up the resolution, however my point was simple. Llano is a nice solution for people with a budget and can only purchase a laptop. It is however the end of the road in performance, the cpu is incapable of pushing much more gpu power than it already processes, which is simply not the case with the SB setups despite their poorly performing gpus there are other options.

Let's not forget $600 on a laptop for the sole purpose of gaming isn't the brightest thing I've heard of, and as a cpu Llano gets smoked.

Llano is a one trick pony at $600, you can't ask for more because the cpu is awful, and you can't add gpu power because the cpu is awful. It's a one and done product for people with a low budget that is only acceptable for one thing, low end, low res, low IQ gaming.

 

[Gikaseixas]

I never said it wasn't, lol the HD 3000 doesn't produce enough power neither does the Llano though (for me).

For you might not be and that's where everyone has a problem with you. Just because it will not play like a $1500 laptop with a GTX 460M as apparently you expect it to, you can't just dismiss it entirely. It will be a better option for people with a low budget. Let's say you have $600 to spend or so and you wanna play some games at 720 resolutions. Which one will you choose???

I'm coming from the perspective of a gamer with a gaming desktop, if I bought a laptop I'd expect to it produce decent IQ and push higher resolutions than 1280x1024 or 800x600 as one poster linked. Yes with even lower IQ you can up the resolution, however my point was simple. Llano is a nice solution for people with a budget and can only purchase a laptop. It is however the end of the road in performance, the cpu is incapable of pushing much more gpu power than it already processes, which is simply not the case with the SB setups despite their poorly performing gpus there are other options.

What options? If you buy a $600 SB laptop you can upgrade the gpu??? You cannot, so what other options are you talking about? You'll be stuck with a worse laptop gaming wise dude, get real. Just out of curiosity, what laptops around the $600 have screens with a higher resolution than 720p?

Let's not forget $600 on a laptop for the sole purpose of gaming isn't the brightest thing I've heard of, and as a cpu Llano gets smoked.

Again, nobody said that. We're trying to tell you that it will play some games at 720 resolutions with some eye candy turned on depending on the game. Nobody recomended Llano as a gaming only system. At $600 price range it will play better than a SB laptop for sure and that's what you can't accept.

 

[nemesismk2]

This week I bought a AMD Phenom II X4 960T (to replace my old AMD Athlon II X3 455) and I like it's performance. It's the Thuban type at 3ghz Clock Speed with 3.4Ghz Turbo. It's quieter than my old AMD Athlon II X3 455 and performs better with games too.