LA Gun Buy Back Program yields "rocket launchers" - what a lie it was

WackyDan

Diamond Member
Jan 26, 2004
4,794
68
91
Watch this video on CNN:

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2012/12/28/tsr-dnt-l-a-gun-buyback-gets-rocket-launchers.cnn

Now I want to point something out...

For those who don't know, the smaller green tube is a M72 LAW (light anti-tank weapon). If you catch it, you will see that there are holes drilled into the tube. Translation; it is useless. It can't even be reloaded as the LAW was a use once and discard weapon. The larger green tube is a AT-4. Also useless as it is marked with a yellow band denoting it is a "field handling trainer". The AT-4 is also a use once and toss weapon . They come with the round already inside and when shot, they are done. This "field handling trainer" never had a round in it to begin with. What probably happened in both of these cases is that a GI of some sort got hold of these things and had them around. It isn't that uncommon. My buddy's dad was a major in the reserves and he had a used LAW in his basement we used to play with in the 80's. Sometimes, the expended tubes are used for training purposes. Translation; you get to play with them so that you can remember how to use the real thing.

What really freaking irks me here is that the police in LA know this, the expert they interviewed should indeed know this and the "journalist" should have the integrity to do a bit more research on them before they try to sensationalize it and try to scare people. It is shit like that that spreads so much BS about weapons and I think they use it to sway opinion.

Journalism is dead to me. What say you?
 

dmens

Platinum Member
Mar 18, 2005
2,275
965
136
media-guide-firearms.jpg
 

Doppel

Lifer
Feb 5, 2011
13,306
3
0
First two posts in this thread both absolutely rule, and I loved that graphic.
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
Jun 30, 2003
33,057
12,449
136
just like you can own a tank. they just need to punch a few holes in it beforehand :D
 

Gerle

Senior member
Aug 9, 2009
587
6
81
Yellow should mean high explosive. Trainer is gold/bronze, in some cases blue (practice). The HE is long gone, of course, now it is a curio piece.
 
Last edited:

Howard

Lifer
Oct 14, 1999
47,982
11
81
Well, it's a rocket launcher inasmuch as a gun with epoxy in the chamber is still a gun...
 

WackyDan

Diamond Member
Jan 26, 2004
4,794
68
91
Yellow should mean high explosive. Trainer is gold/bronze, in some cases blue (practice). The HE is long gone, of course, now it is a curio piece.

Well.. yellow is indeed a training piece...Nothing high explosive about it.
 

dmcowen674

No Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
54,889
47
91
www.alienbabeltech.com
Journalism is dead to me.

What say you?

There is no such thing a Journalism anymore just like there is no such thing as a Police force either.

They should have their names changed to (MRG's) Media Revenue Generators and Revenue Force.

City of Chicago actually has a Revenue Force, it's on their Uniforms, vehicles etc.
 

Broheim

Diamond Member
Feb 17, 2011
4,587
3
81
Well.. yellow is indeed a training piece...Nothing high explosive about it.

I never quite could figure out the color system, but in the danish army I think it had to do whether it was born as "dummy" weapon or was a spent weapon turned into a "dummy". the Live ones and the training ones that fires 9mm rounds had no color coding.

this is the 9mm training version:
36053_112986565428539_7804076_n.jpg



but most importantly AN AT-4 DOESN'T FIRE ROCKETS, it's a recoiless rifle (actually it's a recoiless pistol because there's no rifling).
 

Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
21,985
6,298
136
Watch this video on CNN:

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2012/12/28/tsr-dnt-l-a-gun-buyback-gets-rocket-launchers.cnn

Now I want to point something out...

For those who don't know, the smaller green tube is a M72 LAW (light anti-tank weapon). If you catch it, you will see that there are holes drilled into the tube. Translation; it is useless. It can't even be reloaded as the LAW was a use once and discard weapon. The larger green tube is a AT-4. Also useless as it is marked with a yellow band denoting it is a "field handling trainer". The AT-4 is also a use once and toss weapon . They come with the round already inside and when shot, they are done. This "field handling trainer" never had a round in it to begin with. What probably happened in both of these cases is that a GI of some sort got hold of these things and had them around. It isn't that uncommon. My buddy's dad was a major in the reserves and he had a used LAW in his basement we used to play with in the 80's. Sometimes, the expended tubes are used for training purposes. Translation; you get to play with them so that you can remember how to use the real thing.

What really freaking irks me here is that the police in LA know this, the expert they interviewed should indeed know this and the "journalist" should have the integrity to do a bit more research on them before they try to sensationalize it and try to scare people. It is shit like that that spreads so much BS about weapons and I think they use it to sway opinion.

Journalism is dead to me. What say you?

Almost all "journalism" has become an agenda machine. Facts are regularly omitted, distorted, or even made up to generate the desired emotional response. I don't think actual journalism exists anymore.
 

NTMBK

Lifer
Nov 14, 2011
10,411
5,677
136
The funnier part is most of the rifles in reality that resemble the AK-47 aren't actually AK-47s but you expect anti-gun journalism to get it right?

Meh, I'm not that fussed if they don't spot the differences between a Type 56, AKM, AK47, AK74, etc. They're all Kalashnikovs.
 

Gerle

Senior member
Aug 9, 2009
587
6
81
Well.. yellow is indeed a training piece...Nothing high explosive about it.

Did it start out as a training piece? This is the first time I've seen a yellow training device, if it is an expended launcher I get it.
 

TheVrolok

Lifer
Dec 11, 2000
24,254
4,092
136
Here is another one I just found today:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-casings-scene-boy-17-shot-dead-New-York.html

"AK-47 shell casings found at the scene". As meaningful as calling 9mm rounds "Glock casings found"

The problem is if the writer wrote 7.62x39 common people wouldn't know what to make of it.. So he writes AK47.. Is it definitely from an AK47? I can't say, but it's fairly likely. Regardless, what the author wanted to convey is that the crime was committed with an assault type rifle. Sure it's possible it was something else chambered in the caliber, but very likely it was an" assault rifle. " Is it poor journalism? Sure, to a degree. But it's a bit pedantic to get up in arms about.
 

randomrogue

Diamond Member
Jan 15, 2011
5,449
0
0
I'm not pro gun but this is garbage journalism. Something worth writing in to the network about and giving them a piece of your mind.
 

WackyDan

Diamond Member
Jan 26, 2004
4,794
68
91
Did it start out as a training piece? This is the first time I've seen a yellow training device, if it is an expended launcher I get it.

For the AT-4 everything that I did to verify shows that the yellow band denotes that it never had a loaded round and that it doesn't even fire the 9mm like the other variation of trainer does.

Regardless, even if it was once a true AT-4... it could only have been fired once and the yellow band would then have been added?
 

BladeVenom

Lifer
Jun 2, 2005
13,365
16
0
Reporters at CNN are so damn stupid, it's painful to even listen to them. All they care about is the propaganda.

How they can spend years reporting on guns, and still not manage to learn anything about them is baffling. It's like they are trying to be ignorant uninformed morons.
 

TerryMathews

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
11,464
2
0
Well, it's a rocket launcher inasmuch as a gun with epoxy in the chamber is still a gun...

The thing is though, a properly demilled firearm is not a "gun" in the eyes of the law. You can mail it, background check not required, felons can own it, legal to possess in Chicago and DC.

So no, not a rocket launcher.