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L4D2 banned Down Under
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zerocool84
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It should be banned everywhere for a trying to get people to buy a whole new game that should be added to the unfinished original.
StinkyPinky
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Australia's censorship body is full of old cronies. They don't even have an adult rating. Just 15+, which is why it is banned.
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What are you guys talking about L4D 2 adds tons of new innovating features over the original!! Like uh... a new weapon and melee weapons! And a couple new maps! Totally worth spending the price of a full game guys, totally.
/endsarcasm /endrant
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QueBert
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short? Online play = fun forever if you like it. Hell I can still play Iceworld on CS 1.6 after all these years and I still love it. L4D was an amazing deal if you enjoy it. I got 5 boring hours out of MP1 and maybe 1 longer out of MP2 and I paid $50 for the first one, and $15 for the 2nd (smart and waited for the $$$ to drop) I got 200 hours easy out of L4D. Seems like a great value to me *shrug*
zerocool84
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How can you play the same couple maps for 200hrs??? At least CS gives you many different maps and different weapons but L4D is the exact same every time.
QueBert
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Because the maps are good? While I got tired of it, I played Dust2 in CS for probably well over 500 hours. CS might have a ton of maps, but I only played a small number, and I use to play 5 hours or so a day of it. L4D got old to me, but I got so many hours out of it I can't really complain.
Zenoth
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The maps are the same, but the game-play changes each time either slightly or a lot, thanks to the A.I Director. I must say that without the A.I Director making things unpredictable and randomized I wouldn't have kept playing L4D and would have simply uninstalled it. What Valve did was to concentrate their attention to a so called sequel instead, even though it's not even a sequel per se, the entire cast is different, it doesn't "follow" anything from the original other than being the exact same context, a zombie apocalypse, but it's not a "sequel" to anything from the original, unless they do include story-related scenes, but then again they wouldn't be based on anything from L4D since it has no direct story other than being a "zombie apocalypse", they just named it L4D2 for the sake of simplicity and for keeping a known name active through another title, similarly to FarCry 2.
They should have focused on upgrading L4D instead, and it's not like they didn't want to do that themselves, they promised it to us, but obviously promises in the gaming industry are nothing but a soft lullaby to the hoping and perhaps naive consumers. By itself, L4D2 might end up being a good game, yes, it could be the case, but buying it in my opinion is to support a very nasty business model that I myself wouldn't have ever expected seeing coming from the "almighty" Valve, others like Electronic Arts or even UbiSoft, yes, but Valve? Seriously? No. But I also consider L4D2 the only Valve's "mistake", it's like a very clean white sheet of paper with that annoying new black spot on it that you can't keep your eyes away from. I for one will not buy L4D2, at any price, for the sake of respecting my own principles and to "tell" Valve, via my pocket, that they shouldn't promise anything if they know they don't want to do it, and I'm sure they knew where they were going in the first place, they aren't new to the gaming industry, they aren't newbies, they are professionals and I do mean and think it, but they won't just come around and make me believe that « oh, hey, seriously we didn't think it would cause that much of a debate, it's just a new game, if you don't want it, don't buy it, but don't complain about it, we're the king of the hill around here, everything we do is Gold, you're in the wrong, better luck next time »... yes right, not with me.
With L4D2 I think they just stepped on their own big toe and they can't admit it. And, in the end, beyond the "debate", beyond my mere opinions that have absolutely no impact on Valve, beyond all of the "L4D2 mess", on paper it's still a very similar game when compared to the original. It has barely anything new, it will have the exact same type of game-play. Like some people have said in this thread, the "maps are the same" and "how can you play 200 hours on the same maps", etc, well guess what? L4D2 won't differ from that, the maps will still be the same, it's a moot point, the only thing that will change is the zombie types, numbers and placement, along with a few new behaviors with the "enhanced" A.I Director (enhancements that according to Valve couldn't be done at all in the original due to engine restrictions, something I'm not ready to believe one bit). After a few weeks, or months at most, the new L4D2 players will still eventually complain about this, and that, about the lack of content, about how "not different" it is from the original, about how much they miss Francis and his "I hate..." one-liners. Even if all the L4D2 "usefulness" and "it's a lie" debacle is proved useless, I don't think anyone can really look at L4D2 and think it really is worth the label of "sequel" and full game that it's been given, L4D2 is just as different to L4D as NHL 2009 is to NHL 2008, that's how I perceive it.
zerocool84
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Yea the randomization of where the tank would show up and sometimes getting no horde at all. There really isn't much randomization as we'd like to think.
Entitlement mentality FTL. Because Valve has given stuff away for free in the past, people have come to have this snobbish mentality that if Valve suddenly charges for something they have been working on(gasp) it should have been free.
L4D2 is to L4D1 as pretty much every sequel is to every original game. New weapons, maps, minor gameplay changes; Sequel? Check.
AyashiKaibutsu
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I believe they said they were going to be treating L4D in a similiar way as TF2... so it's not so much entitlement mentality as it is people believing the word of a company. I'm personally glad some junk happened in my life that kept me from ordering and I subsequently never got the game. I've ordered valve games in the past outright without reading into them. After l4d, I'll tend to take a closer look at them before putting my money in. What's with this "I'm fine with companies milking me dry because that's what companies are suposed to do" mentality on the internet? Everyone on the internet must be either independantly wealthy or living with their parents not paying bills.
spaceman
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l4d is a suprb versus game
*arguably* the funnest multiplayer fps ive ever plyd(going back to q2)
if all u do is campaign u r missing out bigtime...
versus has a steep l;earning curve (dont thy all) but its well worth it.
andthis horse hocky about seqeul...look @ cod ffs
i aint anywhere near rich and ill tell ya what..id pay $100 for l4d2 the day it comes out becuase i know for a fact evn @ $100 ill play that bitch all winter! boo kit!
*arguably* the funnest multiplayer fps ive ever plyd(going back to q2)
if all u do is campaign u r missing out bigtime...
versus has a steep l;earning curve (dont thy all) but its well worth it.
andthis horse hocky about seqeul...look @ cod ffs
i aint anywhere near rich and ill tell ya what..id pay $100 for l4d2 the day it comes out becuase i know for a fact evn @ $100 ill play that bitch all winter! boo kit!
L4D had 4 campaigns, that's a fair amount of play for any game and afforded a lot more gameplay than it's peers given it was already a budget title. L4D2 is not a cash grab, that's bullshit.
I just got L4D a couple weeks ago. I'm really liking the survival mode, but the glitches/exploits really annoy me. How much fun is it to use a glitch to reach some inaccessible area and then just sit there and do nothing while the clock runs? I try to get out of games that use the exploits because it really isn't fun to earn medals that way, but it seems quite a few people disagree with me and just want to use the exploits to beat the levels.
I don't see why Valve hasn't patched these up by now. You can find detailed YouTube videos outlining exactly how to perform all the glitches, so the data is right there in front of them.
I'm pretty sure Valve has provided content additions to L4D. If people thought they would do this in perpetuity, remember that this is a company with a bottom line, just like all the other developers.
As far as getting your moneys worth, lets talk about this for a second. The average game that gets released these days has about 8-15 hours of content. Of course some games add mega time sinks in the game in the form of grinding or optional content, but this is more the exception than the rule. We can argue all day about whether or not there was enough content, but in general the content provided was good, and it kept the average L4D player busy for well more than 8-15 hours, so in comparision to other games, L4D was a great deal, even considering its "incompleteness" as some put it. Especially if you got it at a discount on Steam on many of their sale weekends.
L4D2 is valve applying everything they learned from the first game, and will hopefully come out with something even better. This is Valve we are talking about after all. They make great games. It is not a charity foundations, and as far as I'm concerned, you should buy a game by what is included in the box and not what might come down the pipe, promises or no promises. Even in its original form, L4D was amazing.
So please stop all this crap about how Valve sold half a game. I'm pretty sure that most of the people who are in the "Ban L4D2" movement have played tons of hours of L4D. Gaming is entertainment. It is meant to use up time. L4D was very successful in this.
As far as getting your moneys worth, lets talk about this for a second. The average game that gets released these days has about 8-15 hours of content. Of course some games add mega time sinks in the game in the form of grinding or optional content, but this is more the exception than the rule. We can argue all day about whether or not there was enough content, but in general the content provided was good, and it kept the average L4D player busy for well more than 8-15 hours, so in comparision to other games, L4D was a great deal, even considering its "incompleteness" as some put it. Especially if you got it at a discount on Steam on many of their sale weekends.
L4D2 is valve applying everything they learned from the first game, and will hopefully come out with something even better. This is Valve we are talking about after all. They make great games. It is not a charity foundations, and as far as I'm concerned, you should buy a game by what is included in the box and not what might come down the pipe, promises or no promises. Even in its original form, L4D was amazing.
So please stop all this crap about how Valve sold half a game. I'm pretty sure that most of the people who are in the "Ban L4D2" movement have played tons of hours of L4D. Gaming is entertainment. It is meant to use up time. L4D was very successful in this.
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