L.A. chief: ?Inappropriate? police force at rally

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dahunan

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Originally posted by: sierrita
Originally posted by: Socio
Looks like there is an official investigation underway regarding the incident with LAPD and the protesters during the immigration march, I just hope it does not turn in to some unfounded witchhunt to appease the illegal immigrant/supporter masses.


See, there's you're problem.

Think about how you just framed that comment.

:roll:


It really shouldn't matter how he paints this picture.. there should not be illegal immigrant supporters.. because there should not be illegal immigrants and especially in the size strong enough to force police to wear riot gear and end up in hospitals etc..
 

dahunan

Lifer
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Originally posted by: sierrita
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: tomywishbone
I've seen the video. I've heard the "charges." What a complete joke. LAPD acted fine. Seriously, when LAPD in inappropiate... people die. I hate the cops, always have, always will, but in this case the police acted with self control and their actions were more than OK.


The Chief disagrees with you.

The Chief wants to keep his job.

So he will lie and sacrifice the careers of his officers, just like that, to do so?
You really want to make that allegation?
Based on what?


the chief serves at the pleasure of the Mayor. take it from there.

Huh? So you are saying the Mayor of the City of Los Angeles would insist the Chief of Police lie and sacrifice the careers of police officers rather than risk the ire of pro-immigration groups?

What do you see in the name and picture or the Mayor of Los Angeles?
http://www.lacity.org/mayor/

 

sierrita

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: sierrita
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: tomywishbone
I've seen the video. I've heard the "charges." What a complete joke. LAPD acted fine. Seriously, when LAPD in inappropiate... people die. I hate the cops, always have, always will, but in this case the police acted with self control and their actions were more than OK.


The Chief disagrees with you.

The Chief wants to keep his job.

So he will lie and sacrifice the careers of his officers, just like that, to do so?
You really want to make that allegation?
Based on what?


the chief serves at the pleasure of the Mayor. take it from there.

Huh? So you are saying the Mayor of the City of Los Angeles would insist the Chief of Police lie and sacrifice the careers of police officers rather than risk the ire of pro-immigration groups?

What do you see in the name and picture or the Mayor of Los Angeles?
http://www.lacity.org/mayor/

O.K., just wanted to make sure all the pieces are here.

The mayor of Los Angeles, being Hispanic, is forcing the Chief of the Los Angeles Police Department to lie and sacrifice the careers of his officers in order to appease pro-immigration groups?

That's pretty much your claim?

Anyone else wanna throw in their two cents?
 

sierrita

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: sierrita
Originally posted by: Socio
Looks like there is an official investigation underway regarding the incident with LAPD and the protesters during the immigration march, I just hope it does not turn in to some unfounded witchhunt to appease the illegal immigrant/supporter masses.


See, there's you're problem.

Think about how you just framed that comment.

:roll:


It really shouldn't matter how he paints this picture.. there should not be illegal immigrant supporters.. because there should not be illegal immigrants and especially in the size strong enough to force police to wear riot gear and end up in hospitals etc..


And therein you have affirmed my point.

This rally was pro-immigration.



...NOT pro-ILLEGAL-immigration.


He completely missed the point, as have you.

 

dahunan

Lifer
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Originally posted by: sierrita
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: sierrita
Originally posted by: Socio
Looks like there is an official investigation underway regarding the incident with LAPD and the protesters during the immigration march, I just hope it does not turn in to some unfounded witchhunt to appease the illegal immigrant/supporter masses.


See, there's you're problem.

Think about how you just framed that comment.

:roll:


It really shouldn't matter how he paints this picture.. there should not be illegal immigrant supporters.. because there should not be illegal immigrants and especially in the size strong enough to force police to wear riot gear and end up in hospitals etc..


And therein you have affirmed my point.

This rally was pro-immigration.



...NOT pro-ILLEGAL-immigration.


He completely missed the point, as have you.

Pro TURN THE ILLEGALS into legal Immigrants rally

 

OutHouse

Lifer
Jun 5, 2000
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Originally posted by: sierrita
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: tomywishbone
I've seen the video. I've heard the "charges." What a complete joke. LAPD acted fine. Seriously, when LAPD in inappropiate... people die. I hate the cops, always have, always will, but in this case the police acted with self control and their actions were more than OK.


The Chief disagrees with you.

The Chief wants to keep his job.

So he will lie and sacrifice the careers of his officers, just like that, to do so?
You really want to make that allegation?
Based on what?


the chief serves at the pleasure of the Mayor. take it from there.

Huh? So you are saying the Mayor of the City of Los Angeles would insist the Chief of Police lie and sacrifice the careers of police officers rather than risk the ire of pro-immigration groups?

if the chief and i mean any chief who is not elected and appointed by a Mayor better lean with the position of his boss the Mayor to keep his job. is not that difficult to understand, does the term cronieism ring a bell?

the morale of the LAPD is in the gutter. the press hates them, the public hates them. their mayor sold them out, their chief sold them out. i have no idea why anybody would want to serve in the LAPD under those conditions.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
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Huh? So you are saying the Mayor of the City of Los Angeles would insist the Chief of Police lie and sacrifice the careers of police officers rather than risk the ire of pro-immigration groups?
Considering that Los Angeles burns every time a riled up community gets upset over a perceived injustice, I think Chief Bratton is approaching this entire controversy very sensibly.

 

feralkid

Lifer
Jan 28, 2002
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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Huh? So you are saying the Mayor of the City of Los Angeles would insist the Chief of Police lie and sacrifice the careers of police officers rather than risk the ire of pro-immigration groups?
Considering that Los Angeles burns every time a riled up community gets upset over a perceived injustice, I think Chief Bratton is approaching this entire controversy very sensibly.

Could be.

Or maybe some of the cops just fvcked up.
 

dahunan

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Did the Mayor mention his displeasure with the INS for hoisting this problem on his city and America in general?
 

Arkaign

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I have a relative who is a captain in a metropolitan police department on the east coast, and he admits that most cops develop an 'us vs. them' mentality after a short time on the job. He says that about 1 in 10 cops have what it takes to make command decisions, and that the best of the best make detective or otherwise rise out of the streets fairly quickly, leaving the dregs on the beat. The street environment also breeds paranoia and itchy-trigger tendencies due to the constant stress involved. Adding to the problems are the general truth that most people who WANT to be cops don't have morally clean reasons for becoming cops. Spice in expanded police powers and you end up with powderkeg situations.
 

Sinsear

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: sierrita
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: sierrita
Originally posted by: Socio
Looks like there is an official investigation underway regarding the incident with LAPD and the protesters during the immigration march, I just hope it does not turn in to some unfounded witchhunt to appease the illegal immigrant/supporter masses.


See, there's you're problem.

Think about how you just framed that comment.

:roll:


It really shouldn't matter how he paints this picture.. there should not be illegal immigrant supporters.. because there should not be illegal immigrants and especially in the size strong enough to force police to wear riot gear and end up in hospitals etc..


And therein you have affirmed my point.

This rally was pro-immigration.



...NOT pro-ILLEGAL-immigration.


He completely missed the point, as have you.

Pro TURN THE ILLEGALS into legal Immigrants rally


Anyone supporting this should have been arrested for aiding and abetting criminals.
 

Termagant

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Did the Mayor mention his displeasure with the INS for hoisting this problem on his city and America in general?

I wouldn't blame the INS who only do what they are sanctioned to do by law with the resources they are given.

I would blame US politicians who have for many years completely bungled US immigration law so that it is in no way capable of handling the incredible desire of people to enter this country to fill jobs which employers are more than willing to dangle out there for low wage taking immigrants. Instead of responding to the situation with some guest worker program which works there has been piecemiel steps to increase the militarization of a huge border. The complete securing of the border along the lines of the Berlin Wall or even the Israel/Palestine wall so that it would actually work to some acceptable degree would be prohibitively expensive.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
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Or maybe some of the cops just fvcked up.
Some undoubtedly did, and Bratton is doing the right thing in assuring the public that those cops will be held accountable.

Still holding my breath waiting for the community to do the same and call for accountability from those who incited this situation to begin with.

But somehow, violent protestors throwing things at cops = good; cops responding aggressively = bad.

I hear a lot of sobbing and whining about the poor protestors that got hurt during the police response...no sympathy for those cops who were hurt simply trying to do their jobs.

 

Termagant

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Keep in mind that at every protest there are violent hooligans/anarchists who show up just to create a ruckus and fight cops, and don't really even know what the original protest is about. Are you really going to waste your time and breath telling anarchists to follow the rules?

On the other hand one hopes that a police force is organized and listens to its leadership and civilian leaders.
 

Socio

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Originally posted by: Citrix
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funny thing is that the mayor had all kinds of sympathy words for the demostrators who got hurt, but said not a word about the cops who got put in the hospital that started the whole damn thing.
there are reports taht the protestors were throwing D cell batteries, frozen bottles of water and frozen cans of soda at the cops which sparked the whole thing.

I even heard one report on the news that bottles of urine were also tossed at the cops. With that many people at the rally and you got to go number one and no place to do it right away it is not hard at all to imagine some of them went in bottles.

Now if there are grounds for getting shot in the butt with a rubber bullet then throwing a bottle of human bodily fluid at a cop would be it.
 

feralkid

Lifer
Jan 28, 2002
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Originally posted by: Sinsear
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: sierrita
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: sierrita
Originally posted by: Socio
Looks like there is an official investigation underway regarding the incident with LAPD and the protesters during the immigration march, I just hope it does not turn in to some unfounded witchhunt to appease the illegal immigrant/supporter masses.


See, there's you're problem.

Think about how you just framed that comment.

:roll:


It really shouldn't matter how he paints this picture.. there should not be illegal immigrant supporters.. because there should not be illegal immigrants and especially in the size strong enough to force police to wear riot gear and end up in hospitals etc..


And therein you have affirmed my point.

This rally was pro-immigration.



...NOT pro-ILLEGAL-immigration.


He completely missed the point, as have you.

Pro TURN THE ILLEGALS into legal Immigrants rally


Anyone supporting this should have been arrested for aiding and abetting criminals.

Is that your vision of what American law enforcement is all about?
:moon:
 

feralkid

Lifer
Jan 28, 2002
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Originally posted by: Socio
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: Sinsear


Anyone supporting this should have been arrested for aiding and abetting criminals.

Is that your vision of what American law enforcement is all about?
:moon:

It is for Mexico and what is good for the goose is good for the gander

Mexico's immigration law

Anyone who aids in illegal immigration is imprisoned.

Thanks for answering for Sinsear.
Is it o.k. with you if I borrow his car?
:laugh:
 

JD50

Lifer
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I think its just wonderful that some of you are so quick to judge the police here, but you could care less about the illegals that were attacking them. Absolutely disgusting. And some people wonder why a lot of cops have bad attitudes.
 

feralkid

Lifer
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Originally posted by: JD50
I think its just wonderful that some of you are so quick to judge the police here, but you could care less about the illegals that were attacking them. Absolutely disgusting. And some people wonder why a lot of cops have bad attitudes.

Are you kidding?

:shocked:

The vast majority in here are ready to lynch any and all immigrants and their supporters,
legal or not. :(

Many have expressed the belief that the Mayor is forcing the Chief of Police to put the blame on the cops in order to "appease immigrant supporters". :disgust:

What the heck thread have you been reading? :confused:
 

babylon5

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Originally posted by: Socio
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: Sinsear


Anyone supporting this should have been arrested for aiding and abetting criminals.

Is that your vision of what American law enforcement is all about?
:moon:

It is for Mexico and what is good for the goose is good for the gander

Mexico's immigration law

Anyone who aids in illegal immigration is imprisoned.


I am sure these laws are made up stories by Americans! :D
 

Socio

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LAPD Chief is not even waiting for the investigations to start punishing his cops;

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18546911/">High-ranking L.A. cop demoted after rally clash
Top official at immigration protest reassigned, 2nd-in-command transferred
</a>


LOS ANGELES - The highest ranking police official at the scene of a violent clash between officers and people at an immigration rally was demoted Monday, and his second-in-command was transferred.

Deputy Chief Cayler ?Lee? Carter Jr., commanding officer of the operations central bureau, was demoted to commander and ordered to work from home. Cmdr. Louis Gray was moved to a post where he will have less authority.

I think the LAPD Chief and Mayor are just begging for a blue flu epidemic that would likely cost them their jobs.
 

Rainsford

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Socio
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: Sinsear


Anyone supporting this should have been arrested for aiding and abetting criminals.

Is that your vision of what American law enforcement is all about?
:moon:

It is for Mexico and what is good for the goose is good for the gander

Mexico's immigration law

Anyone who aids in illegal immigration is imprisoned.

Who's "aiding illegal immigration"? It's well within my rights as a citizen to lobby for the legal immigration of whoever I want, no what what YOU think about what they've done wrong.
 

Arcex

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Originally posted by: JD50
I think its just wonderful that some of you are so quick to judge the police here, but you could care less about the illegals that were attacking them. Absolutely disgusting. And some people wonder why a lot of cops have bad attitudes.

Clearly you are only reading the posts you agree with...

Lets start with your most pointless statement, "And some people wonder why a lot of cops have bad attitudes." Let me tell you a bit about it, there is a very different type of training taught at the Police Academy as opposed to what they are taught the minute they get on the streets. Like Arkaign said, most people who become cops don't do it for morally clean reasons, they do it because it is commonly known that cops are not held to the same level of right and wrong as ordinary civilans are, this is a common truth.

The problem with being treated like you are better then everyone else is eventually you begin to believe it. The dirtiest cops are historically the ones who have a greater belief in the "Everyone who isn't a cop is either a criminal or a criminal who hasn't been caught yet" mentality. So you wonder why a lot of cops have bad attitudes? It's because they are trained to care about civilians less than their fellow cops.

Next, do you honestly think people here support the illegals more than the cops? Cause that's insane, period. Am I happy about the number of illegals in this country? OF COURSE NOT! As I've stated in this thread numerous times, they flat out could not have rounded up every illegal in that crowd, to even try would have triggered a riot.

And speaking of illegals, even if we could round up every single illegal in this country and send them back to where they came from our economy would COLLAPSE. Illegals hold MILLIONS of jobs that can't be filled because most Americans don't want them because they feel they are too good for manual labor, etc. this isn't opinion, it's a fact. We need to re-work the laws to make illegals WANT to become citizens, plain and simple.